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I used to be his biggest fan and supporter, ask the professor and CJ

But when he started complaining about Hillary and talking about appeasing rump voters he lost me ...big time
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Looks like, at this point, Lib, he only cares about stopping Trump.

He can join me at the barricades. I'm gonna see the film.

As for getting off my couch into the streets, I have been doing it, and I will tomorrow.
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ProfessorX » Fri Jun 29, 2018 3:42 pm wrote:Looks like, at this point, Lib, he only cares about stopping Trump.

He can join me at the barricades. I'm gonna see the film.

As for getting off my couch into the streets, I have been doing it, and I will tomorrow.
Hope so, hope I NEVER hear him again tell me how we have to "listen" to rump supporters.
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Libertas » 29 Jun 2018, 16:35 wrote:I used to be his biggest fan and supporter, ask the professor and CJ

But when he started complaining about Hillary and talking about appeasing rump voters he lost me ...big time
I think you misread him. He wasn't saying to appease Trump voters. He was identifying why Trump was appealing to them, and why Trump was going to win.
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Here's what he's saying now.

‘What would you give your life for?’: Michael Moore warns of fight to save democracy from Trump
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Of all the pebbles in President Trump’s shoe, liberal filmmaker Michael Moore has aspired — since before day one — to be one of the most conspicuous.

Moore has called for Trump to step aside — even before Trump took office. He has attended protests and sworn that Trump “will not last these four years.” He has staged his own one-man play in New York that made no secret of its aim with its motto: “Can a Broadway show take down a sitting President?”

If that was the beginning of Moore’s charge up an anti-Trump hill, he is at its apex now, nearly a year-and-a-half into Trump’s presidency.

In an appearance on HBO’s “Real Time” Friday night, Moore told host Bill Maher that American democracy was on the precipice of being extinguished. He was responding, in part, to a prompt by Maher that posited whether a “civil war” could be imminent in the United States.

“Fascism is at the doorstep,” Moore started.

“A slow-moving coup —…,” Maher interjected.

“People are afraid to use the word, but I think that we have got to be very serious about this,” Moore continued. “[Franklin Delano Roosevelt] and [Winston] Churchill defeated fascism. … If they defeated fascism, look what we’ve got. We’ve got a country where the vast majority believe in women’s rights, environmental stuff, don’t put people in jail for using drugs. All of that stuff, the majority are with us. We are the majority. Why don’t we start acting like the majority?”

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On Maher’s show, Moore called for people to march on Washington to prevent Congress from voting on a new Supreme Court justice — the one who will take the place of Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, who announced his retirement this past week — before the midterm elections in November.

“Listen, the Senate right now is 51-49. Sadly, McCain will not be able to vote, so it’s a 50-49 vote. C’mon. C’mon. We’ve got to push it off til after November,” Moore said. “We first have to find ways to stop that vote from happening. I’ll join a million other people surrounding the United States Capitol.”

He also urged those who felt too busy to join such protests to remember the sacrifices of civil rights activist the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.

“What are people willing to commit to? What would you give your life for?” Moore said. “What would you be willing to actually put yourself on the line for? That moment is now. We are going to lose our democracy if we haven’t already. We have no choice, my friends. We all have to rise up.”

[snip]

Leading up to Election Day 2016, Moore was one of the few to predict Donald Trump would win. Intended to be an October surprise, the filmmaker released “Michael Moore in TrumpLand,” a hastily produced pro-Hillary Clinton monologue that was vehemently critical of the Republican presidential nominee.

A Trump victory, Moore shouted in the film, would be “the biggest f— you ever recorded in human history.” Weeks later, Trump was elected.

Days after the 2016 presidential election, Moore showed up at Trump Tower with a camera crew and a note for Trump that read “You lost. Step aside.”

[snip][end]

Dunno. I agree it was easy to misunderstand Moores' points in 2016. Yes, Trump would be a big F-U. But, as I think Moore made clear, an F-U to democracy, decency, and diversity.
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I'll see it.

Fahrenheit 9/11 was a movement. Everyone wanted to see it, at a time when the rest of the media were all rah rah over war for the hell of it in the Middle East. In This Town there was a well organized move to all show up on the first day, since opening-day and first-weekend grosses are what get a movie noticed. (I know, only in L.A..) Worked, though. Plus it was money well spent, for a good show.

I see no reason not to do same with the reciprocal. We may find out that 11/9 is inverted 9/11 in more ways than one.

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S'toon » Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:29 pm wrote: I think you misread him. He wasn't saying to appease Trump voters. He was identifying why Trump was appealing to them, and why Trump was going to win.
This was after the election...he was talking about the usual stuff that others were talking about as to middle ground, etc.

I know and approve of what he is saying now, but there was a time after the election that he was not sounding the alarm as I recall. It was more about how fucked up the Dems were, along those lines.

Hey, NO BIGGER fan and those of you who know me know that, but I see what I see and I react.
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new trailer

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ill see it. the imagery alone is a valuable work of art.
Who are these..flag-sucking halfwits fleeced fooled by stupid little rich kids, They speak
for all that is cruel stupid, They are racists hate mongers I piss down the throats of
these Nazis Im too old to worry whether they like it, Fuck them.
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It was picked to open a very prestigious film festival in Canada.

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getting closer

FAHRENHEIT 11/9 A note-from Michael Moore
..........Donald J. Trump did not just fall from the sky. His rise to the presidency was not an aberration and should not have come as a shock. It was the logical end result of a long, downward spiral in America that culminated in one of our most loathsome citizens conquering our most powerful office. One of our most deceptive minds, commanding the bully pulpit. One of our most fraudulent hucksters, armed with the powers of the presidency to protect him.

Ever since that fateful morning at 2:29 AM on 11/9/16 when the Associated Press officially called the election for Trump, we have been trying to save what’s left of our democracy. This is not a film telling you what a jerk Donald Trump is or what an buffoon Donald Trump is or what a liar Donald Trump is. You already know all that. Everybody already knows all that (except for your conservative brother-in-law, whose mind you’ll never be able to change). I wouldn’t waste your time or my time making that kind of film. And with all due respect to your conservative brother-in-law, we don’t need him. We’re the majority in this country, he’s the minority, he knows it, and that’s why he’s so mad!

Instead, my team and I have been on a mission to tell a much, much more important story. It’s a story about hope — and what false hope has done to us. It’s a story about deception and betrayal. It’s a story about what happens to a nation when it hits rock bottom. It’s the story about who we are as a people and what it means to be an American in the era of Trump. Finally, it’s a story about where we might be heading as a society.

My crew and I have moved heaven and earth to make sure we deliver this film to you as soon as possible. I’m excited to announce to you that “Fahrenheit 11/9” will open in more movie theaters than any of my previous films — over 1,500 theaters across America!

(It will also be opening in dozens of countries around the world.)

When we open nationwide on September 21st, it will be just 45 days before the most important election in American history (and with voter registration still open across the country!)..........


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Fahrenheit 11/9’ Review: Michael Moore is Mad as Hell and Won’t Take It Anymore
The documentarian comes out swinging at the Trump administration — and reminds us that we need to take the dire situation our country is in very seriously

You’ll cry laughing at Michael Moore’s new doc Fahrenheit 11/9, an unmissable provocation about the rise and rise of Donald J. Trump that should help get out the vote in November better than any limp recruitment outreach. One of Moore’s best and most incisively funny films — right up there with Roger & Me (1989), Bowling for Columbine (2002) and Sicko (2007) — his latest goes way past taking potshots at the Donald, though it does that with piercing intelligence and wounding wit. Rather, he wants to show us that this celebrity Commander-in-Chief didn’t just fall from the sky. The movie is Moore’s State of the Union message. And, damn, are we in trouble...............
I saw this two days ago and, like the times we're living in, it's enraging, chaotic and unsettling. Best use of Hole's "Violet" in a montage that will make you blow your stack. Highly, HIGHLY recommended. Patton Oswalt

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Michael Moore: 'We have the power to crush Trump
...........It’s an allegory for the Democrats, he suggests. The polling shows that on the key issues, such as progressive taxation, or abortion rights, or healthcare, or gun control, most Americans side with the progressive side of the argument. In the past six out of seven presidential elections, he notes, the Democrats won the popular vote. “So the Democratic party are handed a population which agrees with their entire platform,” he says; they even have more voters. “Yet they’re still unable to put themselves and us in power.” If his film distributor kept doing that, it would go out of business. But here is what happens, his film posits, if the Democrats become too much like the Republicans, too in hock to a corporate agenda.........

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[BBvideo 425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycly52Rhn2o[/BBvideo]

I don't know if this guy is a democrat or independent, but this is the kind of fire brand the democratic party needs.

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RitaAnn » Sun Oct 21, 2018 10:18 pm wrote:[BBvideo 425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycly52Rhn2o[/BBvideo]

I don't know if this guy is a democrat or independent, but this is the kind of fire brand the democratic party needs.
hes democrat from west virginia

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Michael Moore Presents: Planet of the Humans | Full Documentary | Directed by Jeff Gibbs

Featuring: Al Gore, Bill McKibben, Richard Branson, Robert F Kennedy Jr., Michael Bloomberg, Van Jones, Vinod Khosla, Koch Brothers, Vandana Shiva, General Motors, 350.org, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sierra Club, the Union of Concerned Scientists, Nature Conservancy, Elon Musk, Tesla.

Music by: Radiohead, King Crimson, Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Blank & Jones, If These Trees Could Talk, Valentina Lisitsa, Culprit 1, Patrick O’hearn, The Torquays, Nigel Stanford, and many more.

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Happy Earth Day. I dig the film's title.

Hmmmm. Haven't watched it yet, but am starting to look at reviews.

I like Mike, I really do, but ... well, this film reminds me of some things that bug me about him. There's a lot of straw men here. Look, you can skewer Al Gore if ya wanna, but calling Bill McKibben a shill for Big Oil is kinda silly. He's not. Whatever else his flaws.

Planet of the Humans review – contrarian eco-doc from the Michael Moore stable
4 / 5 stars 4 out of 5 stars.
Jeff Gibbs’ film, produced by Michael Moore, takes a pop at green, liberal A-listers such as Al Gore – but doesn’t dare criticise Greta Thunberg
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/a ... jeff-gibbs

Gibbs has a cheeky habit of going backstage at music festivals that solemnly declare themselves to be using 100% renewable energy, only to find that the fancy array of solar panels behind the tent is enough to power a single bass guitar. The rest of the energy is provided by just plugging into the shameful old electricity grid (*), provided by fossil fuels. He sees it as symptomatic of the mainstream environmental movement, running on delusional piety.

All the green, liberal A-listers – Bill McKibben, Al Gore, Van Jones, Robert F Kennedy Jr – are attacked in this film as a pompous and complacent high-priest caste of the environmental movement, who are shilling for a fossil fuel industry that has sneakily taken them over. (Although it should be said that, for all his radical bravado, Gibbs does not dare criticise Thunberg.)

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Solar panels and wind turbines? These provide no energy when there is no sun or wind and degrade after only a few decades, says Gibbs. (**) And in any case they need a lot of fossil fuels in their manufacture: silicon, cobalt, silver, graphite, rare earths – and of course coal. The same goes for manufacturing storage batteries. Factories claiming to have gone “beyond coal” again and again turn out to be relying on natural gas. Corporate behemoths such as Apple make spurious claims for their energy usage. But how about the ultra-fashionable new “renewable” energy source: biomass or wood-chips? This is basically a colossal logging industry that requires a lot of fossil fuel energy to harvest and transport the material. As Gibbs’ interviewees point out, you might just as well as burn the fossil fuels in the first place. And it is laying waste rainforests and areas of natural beauty.

[snip]

Most chillingly of all, Gibbs at one stage of the film appears to suggest that there is no cure for any of this, that, just as humans are mortal, so the species itself is staring its own mortality in the face. But he appears to back away from that view by the end, saying merely that things need to change. But what things and how?

[snip][end]

Seems kinda pointless to skewer the environmental establishment - whatever that is - and then offer no solutions. But this is the part that strikes me as utter bullcrap.

(*) Kinda ignores that renewables might already be on the electrical grid. Maybe not as much in the U.S. as I'd like, but certainly the case in other countries.
(**) That's the same bullcrap Trump says. Want to ally with him? Yes, wind doesn't blow all the time nor does sun shine, that's what battery storage technology is for. Store the surplus when it's there, use that surplus when it's not. It's really NOT rocket science.

So much in that paragraph ticks me off. Biomass can come from many sources besides "wood chips". You can make it from human or animal waste, which makes it another form of recycling. You can even make biofuels from all the grease fast food restaurants would normally just throw away. You don't HAVE to use fossil fuels to make renewable technology, another straw man. As for solar panels and wind turbines wearing out - well, shit, environmentalists have not yet defeated entropy and the 2nd law of thermodynamics. :roll:

Yes, you have to make solar panels and wind turbines out of raw materials. Were environmentalists supposed to end the laws of nature? Pretty audacious.

Another film skewering everybody as part of some unifyingly corrupt eco-establishment in unholy alliance with Big Oil, failing to recognize green technology is a better pragmatic solution and not a perfect panacea, and then not offering any answers other than that "we're screwed". Yeah, I knew that, but if you're not going to work with me to do something about it, I ain't gonna watch your film....

Yeah, I have an axe to grind, I used to work in the 90s for the Union of Concerned Scientists, and helped write one of their reports promoting the very kind of green/alternative/renewable technologies this film appears to trash.
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I took the message to be about what if money was just an illusion and our shared illusion and how we are behaving with the illusion individually and collectively and reality that is really playing out that is becoming more and more undeniable. how warped and extreme the illusion has become that its destroying us as we chase something that is completely false non existant to begin with and sacrificing for it what is real.

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Motor City wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 10:21 pm
I took the message to be about what if money was just an illusion and our shared illusion and how we are behaving with the illusion individually and collectively and reality that is really playing out that is becoming more and more undeniable. how warped and extreme the illusion has become that its destroying us as we chase something that is completely false non existant to begin with and sacrificing for it what is real.
That sounds like a good explanation Motor City. :)

X, as far as I'm concerned IF I'm not actually engaged in doing something about it, it's not something getting done.


To explain that, I think scolding others, (otherwise sometimes known as political activism), to get them to do that what they want is a waste of time. I prefer leadership by example.

Encouraging, not scolding, others to join in an effort I have myself have shouldered, a path I'm going to continue on no matter what those others choose to do, That is the way real things will get done.

Unreal things which might get done through scolding others tend to be symbolic gestures which once realized, just sit there doing nothing real about the problem.

Pinching off an oil pipeline with harassment tactics for instance is an example of an unreal thing which might be accomplished. And does nothing to solve the problem, because the oil will still find a way to market.


Not consuming excess beyond what I need is what I do. I encourage others to join me in making a similar difference. Right now the world is doing a spectacular job of doing what needs to be done and what I do about it. But they're not doing it for the reason I'm doing it. It just works out that what they're currently doing is curbing CO2 release into the atmosphere in a spectacular way.

The air not been cleaner and fresher in all the years I've lived. :D

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> Money

Money really is artificial, of course. It evolved from barter to the various precious metal standards to magnetic domains on digital storage media. Most of it now is just moving electrons around changing account balances. Things like the Flash Crash are electronic burps caused by some kid in his bedroom with a Mac.

> Planet

Fresh air, quiet, animals coming out of hiding... wrong way to get it though.

OK... forget marches and getting arrested at pipeline sites and all that, except maybe as media control. They have no lasting effect.

What works is to attack the demand side. It starts with population control. They said that 50 years ago and it's still true. We have a culture where often the worth of a person is defined by how much they have added to overpopulation, made new souls for the church, or whatever. Note that child bearing itself is not overpopulation, Obviously we replenish the species. We get into trouble from the understandable lack of desire to turn off the production line once the job is done. There are a lot of reasons for this, and they are all completely understandable. It used to be that infant mortality largely took care of the consequences, but I have to agree that it was a pretty tragic way to do it. You don't want kids dying, but you don't want them facing what the latest generation is up against either.

Then there would be a lot of return for our effort just reigning in the same 200 or so corporations that you keep hearing about. Remember that clearcutting was pretty much over in the US until a couple of conglomerates bought up wood products companies and got laws changed. Logging is fine. It thins the forest and makes fires less damaging. What we have though is the total removal of 1000 year old forests, and they will never, ever grow back as they were. Not in any kind of human time frame. Maybe in another 2000 years, maybe. Even that's a long shot.

Basically, people can learn to get by with a lot less. Honestly, do you feel better in this culture for all the made-in-China crap that you have? I don't.

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