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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:41 pm 
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I saw this on MSN and while I agree with almost all of the movies on the list I disagree with Field of Dreams. Which movies, in your opinion, are overrated? Here's the link to the article/slideshow of the overrated movies.

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My list starts with The Godfather. I saw it when it was first released and I found it long and boring and eventually left before it was over. Many people think this is a great or perfect movie but I just never saw what was great about it. Of course, that's just my opinion. While critics and film goers found The Postman to be boring I found it an interesting story.

Maybe I'll give The Godfather another try to see if my initial impression of it was right or wrong.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:08 pm 
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I can't agree on Citizen Kane. See the restored print. It's a film noir. It grabs you.

It has just enough social relevance to earn its legendary status. It's a representation of capitalism, after all, and especially that system's utter soullessness. The protagonist is so close to William Randolph Hearst that Hearst tried to suppress the film. And, of course, the tech credits are virtuosic. They show the old studio system's potential for truly awesome film making that stands up today, using equipment that we would regard as grotesque junk.

About the only thing wrong with it is that the story premise is a one-liner.

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I'm glad someone agrees on Ferris Bueller. It's heretical for me to say so, but I always considered it to be a truly repellent movie, made to separate repellent people from their parents' money. It was the peak of the studios' infatuation with teenage audiences, which fortunately became only temporary when multiplex mall theaters started attracting a wider audience away from TV.

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The only reason Annie Hall isn't Woody Allen's best is because Manhattan was better. Both are masterpieces. It, too, represents an era, and it also shows that New York can be as vibrant as "Hollywood" for the cinematic craft.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 8:17 pm 
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I can't agree on Citizen Kane. See the restored print. It's a film noir. It grabs you.

It has just enough social relevance to earn its legendary status. It's a representation of capitalism, after all, and especially that system's utter soullessness. The protagonist is so close to William Randolph Hearst that Hearst tried to suppress the film. And, of course, the tech credits are virtuosic. They show the old studio system's potential for truly awesome film making that stands up today, using equipment that we would regard as grotesque junk.

About the only thing wrong with it is that the story premise is a one-liner.

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I'm glad someone agrees on Ferris Bueller. It's heretical for me to say so, but I always considered it to be a truly repellent movie, made to separate repellent people from their parents' money. It was the peak of the studios' infatuation with teenage audiences, which fortunately became only temporary when multiplex mall theaters started attracting a wider audience away from TV.

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The only reason Annie Hall isn't Woody Allen's best is because Manhattan was better. Both are masterpieces. It, too, represents an era, and it also shows that New York can be as vibrant as "Hollywood" for the cinematic craft.

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For me, Ferris Bueller isn't a great movie but more of a fun movie. Some parts of it are funny but overall it's just an average movie. The parade scene is probably the best part of the film.

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The more times I see Avatar the more I think it isn’t very good. I appreciate a good ecological-political-sociological screed as much as the next person but the acting was wooden, particularly the “hero”, the antagonists were caricatures, the natives were stereotypes and the dialogue wasn’t very good. Nice special effects but that really was about it.

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Dancing with Wolves. Yuck, fake, woo woo.

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I you want to see something real, learn something which is hard to accept, and be moved all at the same time watch Medicine River (1993) with Graham Greene.

It might be hard to find though, I couldn't find a trailer for it at YouTube.

The author of Medicine River is Thomas King, this five minute video at this link is also by him. I’m Not the Indian You Had in Mind. It touches on what the full movie Medicine River drives home:

https://www.nsi-canada.ca/2012/03/im-no ... d-in-mind/


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South Dakota Lakota don't exactly love Costner. Shortly after filming Dances, he opened his own casino in Deadwood, Midnight Star, which competed against the other Native casinos in the state. I found in general they neither liked him nor the film very much. A very typical Hollywood "going native"/"white savior" film. Much like Avatar ...

His casino just finally closed about 2 years ago.
https://www.casino.org/news/kevin-costn ... r-26-years

Avatar was just kind of silly in the way they named the mineral the Earth folks were after on their planet. "Unobtainium". Yep, perfect name :roll: . BTW, looks like it will get a sequel.

I have to say I found Alien: Covenant very underwhelming. It was not the sequel I was expecting. There were many questions and mysteries raised by Prometheus which the sequel just kind of dropped and ignored. We never really learn more about the Engineers or their motivations or what happened to the ones in the first film. At the start of the film, Shaw is dead, and so are all the Engineers on the 2nd planet of the 2nd film (though David did not wipe out the entire race, at least apparently). The colonists are more idiotic than teenagers in a Friday the 13th film in the way they all get killed. David ends up being the creator of the Xenomorphs, which is interesting thematically (creation/creator) ... Fassbender, always the hidden villain ... anyway, hoping for a better next film, if there is one.

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Dancing with Wolves. Yuck, fake, woo woo.

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I you want to see something real, learn something which is hard to accept, and be moved all at the same time watch Medicine River (1993) with Graham Greene.

It might be hard to find though, I couldn't find a trailer for it at YouTube.

The author of Medicine River is Thomas King, this five minute video at this link is also by him. I’m Not the Indian You Had in Mind. It touches on what the full movie Medicine River drives home:

https://www.nsi-canada.ca/2012/03/im-no ... d-in-mind/

I really enjoyed both the movie, and the book it was based on.

Thomas King has a great writing ability, both in fiction and non-fiction.

That reminds me, I have The Inconvenient Indian: a curious account of native people in North America and I haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

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I like how the Canadian government supports its industry up there. Of course, if they didn't, there wouldn't be one. Even so, it's kind of the prototype for how a country can make relevant products that illuminate their various cultures while also attracting an audience. Nice job.

"Academy of the Overrated" is a line from one of this writer's overrated movies, Manhattan. Throwaways like that are among the reasons that the attention to detail in Manhattan is really what makes it timeless. Some people hated it because all they do is talk, nobody gets killed, and it spends an inordinate amount of time celebrating the look and feel of uptown Manhattan. The reason it never got old for me is because all they do is talk, nobody gets killed, and it spends an inordinate amount of time celebrating the look and feel of uptown Manhattan.

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