Parkland shooter: no death penalty

[gounion]

The Jury in the Parkland school massacre has been spared the death penalty by the jury, he’s got life in prison instead. As long as there’s no chance of parole, I’m okay with it.

I’m MOSTLY against the death penalty, but since we KNOW this guy did it, I would have been fine with it.

But the question is, what is more just? I mean, killing him ends it. But if he has to spend half a century or more in prison, seems to me that’s worse punishment. At least that’s the way I see it. Killing him spares him.

Although, I will admit I’m not without hypocrisy on this one. I’m glad Tim McVey never got to see the twin towers come down.

[Number6]

The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent because if it did we wouldn't have these types of killings. Letting this piece of crap spend the rest of his life in jail will make his life a living hell. He'll wake up each morning knowing he won't be able to go to a store, he won't be able to by a Big Mac, he won't be able to have privacy, he won't be able to spend holidays with friends and family, he'll hear the prison cell slam shut each night. Add to the fact he killed kids, he'll forever have to be looking over his shoulder in fear of his fellow inmates.

I'm normally opposed to the death penalty and about the only exception is for treason that caused the loss of life of any American.

[carmenjonze]

Also mostly against the death penalty. How many automatic appeals does that stupid little fascist Dylan Roof get because he’s on death row.

Plus it’s unjustly applied.

Let them live. Keep them healthy enough to wish they were dead, for the rest of their misery-making lives.

[Glennfs]

I can tell you people are very good and decent people by your images of what you believe being in prison would be like.
For people like us it would be a miserable life. But, we aren't jail birds. The fact is most people in jail are from a different mindset and adapt quite well to prison life. Many if not most have a better life inside than they do outside.
It is nothing like Hollywood portraits it. There isn't some guy waiting behind every corner looking to rape you or take your dessert or make you his prison wife.
So giving an asshole like Dylan Roof, the parkland shooter or any of the other various murderers life in prison isn't a torture or torment that they will have to live with.
We need to turn them off and in a timely manner with no more endless appeals. Give them 3 appeals within a 5 years period then 5 years and 1 day later shut them off.
Check out my link to Susan Smith to see what prison life is really like for those killers who have earned the death penalty.

https://people.com/crime/susan-smith-in ... r-release/

[carmenjonze]

The fact is most people in jail are from a different mindset and adapt quite well to prison life.

According to…

It is nothing like Hollywood portraits it. There isn't some guy waiting behind every corner looking to rape you or take your dessert or make you his prison wife.

This is your own fantasy. Stop demonizing “Hollywood,” nobody buys that trash anymore except for propagandized cons. :problem:

We need to turn them off

Kill.

What’s with the euphemism? Just say you want the government to murder them.

and in a timely manner with no more endless appeals. Give them 3 appeals within a 5 years period then 5 years and 1 day later shut them off.

Kill and murder.

Conservatives are eliminationists.

[Glennfs]

According to…





This is your own fantasy. Stop demonizing “Hollywood,” nobody buys that trash anymore except for propagandized cons. :problem:



Kill.

What’s with the euphemism? Just say you want the government to murder them.



Kill and murder.

Conservatives are eliminationists.

I've known many people who have been through the system. Most in fact all of them simply have a different mindset from the rest of us.
While they definitely don't want to go to prison. Once there they don't mind the lifestyle.

[carmenjonze]

I've known many people who have been through the system. Most in fact all of them simply have a different mindset from the rest of us.

According to… ?

While they definitely don't want to go to prison. Once there they don't mind the lifestyle.

Says…?

[carmenjonze]

Andre Thomas is exactly the type of person Glennfs wants the government to kill.

#prolife
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Sister Helen Prejean
@helenprejean

This morning, the SCOTUS declined to review Andre Thomas's death penalty case. Andre, a Black man, was convicted of killing his wife, a white woman. Andre's trial lawyers failed to question or remove jurors who wrote that they were opposed to interracial relationships.



Justices Sotomayor, Kagan, and Jackson dissented from the Court's decision to leave Andre Thomas's death sentence in place. Their opinion explains how the failure to remove the racially biased jurors was ineffective assistance by Andre's trial counsel.



Andre Thomas committed a horrible and gruesome crime. He was extremely mentally disturbed at the time and remains so today. Andre pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. The State agreed that he was psychotic, but argued he brought it on himself by consuming cough medicine.



While in jail awaiting trial, Andre Thomas pulled out one of his eyeballs. A few years later, he pulled out his other eyeball and ate it. Andre has experienced auditory hallucinations since he was 10 years old. In prison, he was diagnosed with severe schizophrenia.



At trial, potential jurors were asked in a questionnaire about their views on interracial relationships. This was important because Andre, a Black man, was accused of killing his wife, a white woman, and their children.



Four potential jurors answered that that they opposed interracial relationships. They made comments such as that God did not intend for interracial relationships, interracial relationships are harmful for children, or that people should stay within their bloodlines.



Andre Thomas was convicted and sentenced to death by an all-white jury, including four white jurors who admittedly opposed the exact type of interracial relationship involved in the case.



When arguing in favor of a death sentence, the prosecution asked the jurors to consider whether they would be comfortable with Andre Thomas dating their daughters or granddaughters. As Justice Sotomayor wrote, the State "fanned the flames" of the jurors' admitted biases.



When arguing in favor of a death sentence, the prosecution asked the jurors to consider whether they would be comfortable with Andre Thomas dating their daughters or granddaughters. As Justice Sotomayor wrote, the State "fanned the flames" of the jurors' admitted biases.



Justice Sotomayor's opinion cuts down any argument that the trial attorneys' failure to question or remove the four biased jurors was reasonable or a strategic decision.



Justice Sotomayor quotes a prior Supreme Court case holding that a person is "entitled to be tried by 12, not 9 or even 10, impartial and unprejudiced jurors." She notes that this concern is especially grave in capital cases involving interracial intimacy and violence.



Justice Sotomayor notes that, "historians have long recognized that interracial marriage, sex, and procreation evoke some of the most invidious forms of prejudice and violence." She cites several studies and scholarly articles to illustrate the point.



Justice Sotomayor continues: "No jury deciding whether to recommend a death sentence should be tainted by potential racial biases that could infect its deliberations or decision, particularly where the case involved an interracial crime."



Sotomayor adds: "It is ultimately the duty of the courts to confront racial animus in the justice system" and "to ensure that our legal system remains capable of coming ever closer to the promise of equal treatment under the law that is so central to a functioning democracy."



And Justice Sotomayor concludes: "The errors in this case render Thomas’ death sentence not only unreliable, but unconstitutional. I would not permit the State to execute Andre Thomas in light of the ineffective assistance that he received."

https://twitter.com/helenprejean/status ... 5652261888

[carmenjonze]

The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent because if it did we wouldn't have these types of killings.

++++++++++

Not even the dimmest conservative believes that the death penalty is a deterrent, though they'll peddle that old line.

They just want the government in the domestic killing business.

#prolife

[Glennfs]

The death penalty doesn't work as a deterrent because if it did we wouldn't have these types of killings. Letting this piece of crap spend the rest of his life in jail will make his life a living hell. He'll wake up each morning knowing he won't be able to go to a store, he won't be able to by a Big Mac, he won't be able to have privacy, he won't be able to spend holidays with friends and family, he'll hear the prison cell slam shut each night. Add to the fact he killed kids, he'll forever have to be looking over his shoulder in fear of his fellow inmates.

I'm normally opposed to the death penalty and about the only exception is for treason that caused the loss of life of any American.

He will wake up each morning head for breakfast or fix it himself from items bought in the commissary.
Later he will go to his prison job. Later he will engage in a game of chess, answer his mail, read a book, drop in at the library, hang out with his friends, maybe get in a workout then catch a movie that evening.
The last thing on his mind will be his crime or the lives he has ruined.
As for remorse the only remorse will be he got caught and thoughts of what he might have done to avoid getting caught.

[gounion]

I can tell you people are very good and decent people by your images of what you believe being in prison would be like.
For people like us it would be a miserable life. But, we aren't jail birds. The fact is most people in jail are from a different mindset and adapt quite well to prison life. Many if not most have a better life inside than they do outside.
It is nothing like Hollywood portraits it. There isn't some guy waiting behind every corner looking to rape you or take your dessert or make you his prison wife.
So giving an asshole like Dylan Roof, the parkland shooter or any of the other various murderers life in prison isn't a torture or torment that they will have to live with.
We need to turn them off and in a timely manner with no more endless appeals. Give them 3 appeals within a 5 years period then 5 years and 1 day later shut them off.
Check out my link to Susan Smith to see what prison life is really like for those killers who have earned the death penalty.

https://people.com/crime/susan-smith-in ... r-release/

If we kill innocent people, there's no going back. If someone has been in prison that is innocent, and we prove that, they can be released.

If we execute an innocent person, then we are complicit in a murder of an innocent person. And there's no righting the wrong.

You may not have a problem with that, but I do.

[Glennfs]

If we kill innocent people, there's no going back. If someone has been in prison that is innocent, and we prove that, they can be released.

If we execute an innocent person, then we are complicit in a murder of an innocent person. And there's no righting the wrong.

You may not have a problem with that, but I do.

https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exone ... caseid=307

Friend of mine who I had a unlicensed car lot with. He was guilty as hell and he and his cellmate who was in for a different killing both were released using the exact same appeal.
A few years or longer down the road it isn't hard to convince a jury differently

[carmenjonze]

https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exone ... caseid=307

Friend of mine who I had a unlicensed car lot with. He was guilty as hell and he and his cellmate who was in for a different killing both were released using the exact same appeal.
A few years or longer down the road it isn't hard to convince a jury differently

This is your answer to a post about executing innocent people?

[carmenjonze]

He will wake up each morning head for breakfast or fix it himself from items bought in the commissary.
Later he will go to his prison job. Later he will engage in a game of chess, answer his mail, read a book, drop in at the library, hang out with his friends, maybe get in a workout then catch a movie that evening.
The last thing on his mind will be his crime or the lives he has ruined.
As for remorse the only remorse will be he got caught and thoughts of what he might have done to avoid getting caught.

^this is pure fantasy.

[gounion]

https://www.law.umich.edu/special/exone ... caseid=307

Friend of mine who I had a unlicensed car lot with. He was guilty as hell and he and his cellmate who was in for a different killing both were released using the exact same appeal.
A few years or longer down the road it isn't hard to convince a jury differently

Since you had proof he was guilty, you should have taken it before the authorities.

But let's be clear: We HAVE convicted innocent people. But you don't mind that, do you?

[carmenjonze]

Since you had proof he was guilty, you should have taken it before the authorities.

But let's be clear: We HAVE convicted innocent people. But you don't mind that, do you?

"Unlicensed car lot" = he's a partner in crime who is so entitled, he's ridiculous enough to come on the internet and say so, openly.

Another one of these criminals who expects to get away with his crimes. :problem:

[carmenjonze]

I can tell you people are very good and decent people by your images of what you believe being in prison would be like.
For people like us it would be a miserable life. But, we aren't jail birds.

There's those words, again.

There is no "us," and no "we." Not only are you an admitted liar who defrauds potential employers, you even openly claim you operated an unlicensed car lot with a criminal. What kind of "friend" thinks a "friend" should get the death penalty.

You're not a decent person. You are in no position to stand in judgment of who is or isn't a decent person.

[Number6]

I can tell you people are very good and decent people by your images of what you believe being in prison would be like.
For people like us it would be a miserable life. But, we aren't jail birds. The fact is most people in jail are from a different mindset and adapt quite well to prison life. Many if not most have a better life inside than they do outside.
It is nothing like Hollywood portraits it. There isn't some guy waiting behind every corner looking to rape you or take your dessert or make you his prison wife.
So giving an asshole like Dylan Roof, the parkland shooter or any of the other various murderers life in prison isn't a torture or torment that they will have to live with.
We need to turn them off and in a timely manner with no more endless appeals. Give them 3 appeals within a 5 years period then 5 years and 1 day later shut them off.
Check out my link to Susan Smith to see what prison life is really like for those killers who have earned the death penalty.

https://people.com/crime/susan-smith-in ... r-release/

According to the link in the 11th paragraph of your link:

In the past nine years, Smith has been disciplined at least five times for various infractions, including self-mutilation and the use and possession of narcotics or marijuana. Each infraction has resulted in the loss of privileges, including loss of visitation, canteen and telephone privileges.

Twice in 2010 and once in 2015, she was disciplined on drug charges, losing privileges for more than a year.

In 2000, Smith, then 28, was disciplined for having sex four times with 50-year-old prison guard Houston Cagle. (He pleaded guilty and spent 3 months in jail.)
https://people.com/crime/susan-smith-li ... years-ago/

Yeah, Susan Smith had an easy time in prison.

One of the things humans do is adapt to their environment whether it's changing jobs, moving to another state, or even going to prison. The Parkland shooter is going to have to adapt to his new environment or he'll experience self-induced suffering. Once it becomes known in prison he is a child killer few inmates will, IMO, will become friends with him. He will, I hope, be lonely and constantly frightened every single day of his new life.

[gounion]

Glenn, I've talked to an expert I know - my wife's cousin, who you've met over the phone, when he was riding with me as we talked while traveling. He worked as a guard for several years at several prisons in Texas a few years ago.

So, I called him today. No, prisons are NOT fun, they are NOT country clubs, at least if you're not rich Republicans. He said there are some Texas prisons that the prisoners are fairly safe and not in danger, but they aren't a joy to be in. Many of the Texas prisons, he said, were basically war zones.

The one that he did say that surprised me is that the food in most of the prisons were similar to food in the military (he's a Marine that was retired for medical reasons), and was edible, and some was pretty good.

[carmenjonze]

According to the link in the 11th paragraph of your link:


Yeah, Susan Smith had an easy time in prison.

One of the things humans do is adapt to their environment whether it's changing jobs, moving to another state, or even going to prison. The Parkland shooter is going to have to adapt to his new environment or he'll experience self-induced suffering. Once it becomes known in prison he is a child killer few inmates will, IMO, will become friends with him. He will, I hope, be lonely and constantly frightened every single day of his new life.

Conservatives would rather spend the munny to kill than rehabilitate.

They don't even care whether the person is innocent or not; for conservative whites, every Black person is a natural negro criminal.

They are so confused and dishonest, this guy even worked with one such criminal himself in a criminal endeavor of their own, yet thinks he's better than that person at the very same time.

[Glennfs]

There's those words, again.

There is no "us," and no "we." Not only are you an admitted liar who defrauds potential employers, you even openly claim you operated an unlicensed car lot with a criminal. What kind of "friend" thinks a "friend" should get the death penalty.

You're not a decent person. You are in no position to stand in judgment of who is or isn't a decent person.

I simply chose to live an interesting life full of adventures and misadventures.
As for Larry his crime wasn't up to the degree for first degree.
He was an interesting guy who had a serious drinking problem which morphed into a drug addiction.
He blew through the money he received from the state and the last time I saw him he wanted me to return a skill saw he had shoplifter.
As for our car lot we bought cars for under 200 and resold them for under 500. We flipped maybe a dozen then I decided to move on.
FYI I also flipped titles when in high school. What is life without some adventures

[carmenjonze]

I simply chose to live an interesting life full of adventures and misadventures.
As for Larry his crime wasn't up to the degree for first degree.
He was an interesting guy who had a serious drinking problem which morphed into a drug addiction.
He blew through the money he received from the state and the last time I saw him he wanted me to return a skill saw he had shoplifter.
As for our car lot we bought cars for under 200 and resold them for under 500. We flipped maybe a dozen then I decided to move on.
FYI I also flipped titles when in high school. What is life without some adventures

Criminals expecting to get away with your crimes.

What kind of “prolife” person wants the death penalty for a friend? What kind of “prolife” person wants the death penalty for anyone

[gounion]

I simply chose to live an interesting life full of adventures and misadventures.
As for Larry his crime wasn't up to the degree for first degree.
He was an interesting guy who had a serious drinking problem which morphed into a drug addiction.
He blew through the money he received from the state and the last time I saw him he wanted me to return a skill saw he had shoplifter.
As for our car lot we bought cars for under 200 and resold them for under 500. We flipped maybe a dozen then I decided to move on.
FYI I also flipped titles when in high school. What is life without some adventures

I never thought breaking the law was "fun".

The stupid things I did in life, I'm not proud of, and don't brag about.

[lucytalk]

We need to turn them off and in a timely manner with no more endless appeals. Give them 3 appeals within a 5 years period then 5 years and 1 day later shut them off.

i always use the argument that they are crazy and fucked up to kill so what is your excuse for wanting to kill?

but what gets me is i suspect you are good with roe v wade being overturned and being pro life for a fetus yet we are finding out that some serial killers and mass killers start with drug addicted or alcoholic pregnant mothers. with opiates in high use and the ability not to abort with some ease, how do you think this is going to play out in the long run? if you are against the roe v wade being overturn then i apologize for assuming but if i am correct then you are seriously shortsighted.

you're not being logical imo on life and death issues. ask dahmer how prison life was. ask every straight male how is he enjoying being rape or not seeing sunlight often or if he misses freedom or or or.

killing is not the solution but it is an easy answer that only makes the problem worse imo.

[Number6]

I can tell you people are very good and decent people by your images of what you believe being in prison would be like.
For people like us it would be a miserable life. But, we aren't jail birds. The fact is most people in jail are from a different mindset and adapt quite well to prison life. Many if not most have a better life inside than they do outside.
It is nothing like Hollywood portraits it. There isn't some guy waiting behind every corner looking to rape you or take your dessert or make you his prison wife.
So giving an asshole like Dylan Roof, the parkland shooter or any of the other various murderers life in prison isn't a torture or torment that they will have to live with.
We need to turn them off and in a timely manner with no more endless appeals. Give them 3 appeals within a 5 years period then 5 years and 1 day later shut them off.
Check out my link to Susan Smith to see what prison life is really like for those killers who have earned the death penalty.

https://people.com/crime/susan-smith-in ... r-release/

Regarding the appeals, just like being against the death penality I have no problem with allowing them to appeal because it protects the rights not of just the guilty but of those who were wrongly convicted as well. We've seen people released from prison for murders they were innocent because the appeal process was available to them. Understand, the appeal process has to have a legitimate reason such as prosecutorial misconduct, new evidence such as DNA, recanting of witness testimony, etc.. So while you and other conservatives want revenge and if an innocent person is executed I guess in your opinion they're just collateral damage so you can live your political ideology conscience free.