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ProfX wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:42 pm Yeah. He ended the war in Afghanistan. Good for him. America's longest war. Yeah, I'm not happy about how things in Afghanistan are turning out, but a) TFG kind of set up the situation and b) I doubt a better outcome was possible.

What border crisis?



The possible end of Roe v. Wade is kinda a big deal.
It's Rethugs trying to pass bills about taking away gay/trans rights. They're writing the legislation, forcing Dems to fight it.
It ain't Democrats trying to prevent teaching CRT in schools - that is an entirely GOP-led bogus issue. No Dem brought it up until GOP state legislators started passing bogus bills about it.
"Climate control"? Like having good AC in your hotel room? :roll: MHO: climate change is a pressing issue for HUMANITY (not just Americans).
Your remarks are the exact point of the poll and article. Not that those arrnt important issues. It is just while they might be top 3 for progressives they aren't for that family of 4 paying out an extra 100 a week.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:07 pm You forgot the gas prices bidenflation the border crisis afganistan and that it costs a little over $5000 more this year to sustain last years life style.
Democrats in the press keep talking about abortion gay rights. CRT climate control.
Things which are important to their base.

While the rest of the country is dealing with record food prices runaway inflation and the $50-$80 it costs to fill the tank.
They aren't talking about gas prices. They're talking about trans in girl's sports and CRT.
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So I'm not saying inflation isn't a problem. But getting off your favorite example of gas prices, explain to me how you think Biden should end inflation for food and other consumer prices.

The problem is real. I'm not denying it. But here's my next question: what you think Biden should do about it that he isn't doing?
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gounion wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:52 pm They aren't talking about gas prices. They're talking about trans in girl's sports and CRT.
Look at the polling numbers. The things you have pointed out are things the right says to gin up their base.
While at the same time talking about the kitchen table issues.
The democratic party is making the mistake HW Bush made.
Somebody in your party needs to call James Carville and ask him to offer 4 words of advice
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:56 pm Look at the polling numbers. The things you have pointed out are things the right says to gin up their base.
While at the same time talking about the kitchen table issues.
The democratic party is making the mistake HW Bush made.
Somebody in your party needs to call James Carville and ask him to offer 4 words of advice
They aren't talking about kitchen table issues. they just aren't.

And what would be their solution?
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ProfX wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:54 pm So I'm not saying inflation isn't a problem. But getting off your favorite example of gas prices, explain to me how you think Biden should end inflation for food and other consumer prices.

The problem is real. I'm not denying it. But here's my next question: what you think Biden should do about it that he isn't doing?
I have no clue I am a lowly truck driver. But Ronald Reagan had a plan and it worked. Bill Clinton had a plan and it worked. Obama had a plan and it worked. Even Nixon had an economic plan which worked.

Jimmy Carter had no idea how to get a handle on inflation. Much like Biden evidently. Which is probably why the democratic party keeps harping on social issues while avoiding kitchen table issues.
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gounion wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 7:57 pm They aren't talking about kitchen table issues. they just aren't.

And what would be their solution?
First not increase government spending by 5 trillion dollars
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Inflation, again, is a world wide problem. It’s been explained what’s happening. Biden isn’t responsible for inflation or world wide gas prices.

The GOP has NO platform or solutions. They just want to point the finger, and push distractions and lies. It’s all they do. So where’s the plan? How will they handle it? There isn’t one. They just want to impeach Biden and threaten liberals with prison.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:00 pm I have no clue I am a lowly truck driver. But Ronald Reagan had a plan and it worked.
If by "worked" you mean he had a massive recession in 1982 in his first term.
Jimmy Carter had no idea how to get a handle on inflation. Much like Biden evidently. Which is probably why the democratic party keeps harping on social issues while avoiding kitchen table issues.
You are a fascinating bundle of self contradiction. So the Democratic party has no clue how to tackle economic issues, but somehow Bill Clinton and Obama knew how to do it. Maybe it's only some Democrats that don't? :D

Truck driver with no clue, here's two thoughts:
1) he has an economic plan. It's called Build Back Better. Pass it?
2) what if most of the rest of the inflation he can't control?
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ProfX wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:07 pm If by "worked" you mean he had a massive recession in 1982 in his first term.



You are a fascinating bundle of self contradiction. So the Democratic party has no clue how to tackle economic issues, but somehow Bill Clinton and Obama knew how to do it. Maybe it's only some Democrats that don't? :D

Truck driver with no clue, here's two thoughts:
1) he has an economic plan. It's called Build Back Better. Pass it?
2) what if most of the rest of the inflation he can't control?
We are talking about the here and now. The Biden administration and the leadership of the democratic party has no plan of action.

Build back better was essentially build back broke. The government spending 5 trillion dollars is not a plan.
He passed an infrastructure plan but I personally have yet to see it implemented. When Clinton was president there was barely a day go by that I wasn't stuck in a construction backup 2 or 3 times.

Reagan inherited a nation in terrible shape. He had a plan stuck with it even when his advisers told him not to and at the end of the day was proved right.

Clinton and Obama as well as Reagan all were dripping with charisma and natural leadership which can't be taught or learned.

Something else we are lacking today from both parties.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:00 pm I have no clue I am a lowly truck driver. But Ronald Reagan had a plan and it worked. Bill Clinton had a plan and it worked. Obama had a plan and it worked. Even Nixon had an economic plan which worked.
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Of course you don’t have a clue. It’s why your posts are so ridiculous. You don’t read anything. You don’t follow what’s going on. You don’t have any logical ideas grounded in reality. Just made up bullshit and trolling.
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Drak wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:17 pm Of course you don’t have a clue. It’s why your posts are so ridiculous. You don’t read anything. You don’t follow what’s going on. You don’t have any logical ideas grounded in reality. Just made up bullshit and trolling.
Reagan Clinton and Obama all had big poll numbers and were reelected in landslide elections. As was Nixon by the way.

Did you look at the polling numbers. Biden is so far behind on the economy. People care about the issues you care about but people vote with their wallets.

Remember Carville's words "it's the economy stupid "
True then and true now
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:14 pm Build back better was essentially build back broke. The government spending 5 trillion dollars is not a plan.
Unless you actually talk about what's in the plan, and what it's being spent on, which would involve some actual knowledge about it, and not just running your mouth in ignorance.

I can definitely tell you it is not "spending 5 trillion" in the first year of the plan. And, BTW, some economists say some things in the plan might actually tackle the "kitchen table issue" of inflation you keep saying is key.

Weird thing: I can definitely tell you what a lot of Floridians care about are high rents and housing prices, but your pal Guv DeStupid has spent most of the year on "culture war" stuff. When is HE getting to your kitchen table issues?
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ProfX wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:36 pm Unless you actually talk about what's in the plan, and what it's being spent on, which would involve some actual knowledge about it, and not just running your mouth in ignorance.

I can definitely tell you it is not "spending 5 trillion" in the first year of the plan. And, BTW, some economists say some things in the plan might actually tackle the "kitchen table issue" of inflation you keep saying is key.

Weird thing: I can definitely tell you what a lot of Floridians care about are high rents and housing prices, but your pal Guv DeStupid has spent most of the year on "culture war" stuff. When is HE getting to your kitchen table issues?
I know the area where you are at is crazy high. But other areas the overall cost of living is up to 18pct below the national average.
Overall the state is just 1pct above the average and I would say it is a safe bet that is because of the area in and around where you are located. Which I believe is South Florida in tug he Miami area.
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Miami's the worst. But Tampa, Orlando, and Ft. Myers are also pretty high. (They count Ft Laud and WPB in "Miami Metro").

All in all, though, rents are high throughout the state. That said, though not good news for people I know personally, they are starting to decelerate, but not so much where I live.

https://www.wptv.com/money/real-estate- ... study-says
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ProfX wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:55 pm Miami's the worst. But Tampa, Orlando, and Ft. Myers are also pretty high. (They count Ft Laud and WPB in "Miami Metro").

All in all, though, rents are high throughout the state. That said, though not good news for people I know personally, they are starting to decelerate, but not so much where I live.

https://www.wptv.com/money/real-estate- ... study-says
I deliver in Ocoee and play poker in Orange City. Both seem reasonable but somewhat run down.
The towns on US 301 between I 10 and Ocala at least appear to be inexpensive
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I have an idea, because military is the biggest driver of climate change for the worse, we cut military spending and in the same swoop we slow down climate change. Even a country like canada is increasing its investments in climate change for the worse.

Canada bans foreign home buyers for two years to cool its housing market
....The federal Liberal government is also promising $500 million Canadian ($397 million U.S.) in additional military aid to Ukraine as well as more humanitarian and financial support to Kyiv in response to Russia’s invasion.

Canada responded to months of pressure from the NATO military alliance and others by promising more than $8 billion Canadian ($7.2 billion) in new military spending over the next five years. Canada will remain far short of NATO’s spending 2% of GDP target, even as other allies dramatically ramp up their own military investments following Russia’s invasion of Ukraine......
Now nobody has spends invests as much on climate change for the worse than the United States but as we can see with all the arms being bought for aid and to supply this war all have climate change for the worse potential energy waiting to be unleashed at some time in the future that this war will be very bad for climate change.
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And yet...

DeSantis quietly signs controversial bill requiring parental consent for abortions - Sun-Sentinel
Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday signed a bill that will require parental consent before minors can have abortions, a long-sought goal of abortion opponents in Florida.

DeSantis did not make a public statement about the bill signing, but Senate President Bill Galvano, R-Bradenton, and other supporters praised the measure and said parents need to be involved when their underage daughters consider having abortions.

“The serious and irrevocable decision to end a pregnancy involves undergoing a significant medical procedure that results, in many cases, in lifelong emotional and physical impacts,” Galvano said in a prepared statement. “The parents of a minor child considering an abortion must be involved in such a substantial and permanent decision.”

But opponents contend the parental-consent requirement will endanger teens who could be subject to retribution or abuse if their parents find out they are pregnant or considering an abortion.
Next step: out as many gay kids as possible, and make it illegal not to, regardless of what could happen to them.

Then call it "parental rights."

Watch the WSs around here step right up to vote for it.
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But then just last month...

Florida Senate passes 15-week abortion ban, sends bill to governor - NBC News
Gov. Ron DeSantis is expected to sign the measure into law.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:21 pm ... people vote with their wallets. ...
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:02 pm First not increase government spending by 5 trillion dollars
You forget that the Republicans voted to increase spending and DJT signed the bill. I guess it was okay when they did it.

Just like a Republican to be a hypocrite. You never have a problem when conservatives like Bush II spends trillions on a war. But spend money to build infrastructure?
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It's Republicans writing all these "culture war" bills - both state and federally (though they are rarely passing federally) - it's the Democrats who are trying to pass BBB and other bills that deal with post-pandemic economic hardship - if Democrats are talking about CRT, it's because Rethugs are the ones WRITING THE BILLS in the first place - yet I guess in funhouse mirror land, it's not Rethugs but Dems that are ignoring economic issues. :roll:
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The op is full of feces when he speaks about past great leadership, because he has trashed every single Dem President as a poor leader. The same thing he’s doing with Biden. He never thought Bill Clinton was good for the economy. And he never thought Obama was either. In fact, he constantly compared Obama to Jimmy Carter, just like he does with Joe Biden. And I have no doubt he probably did the same thing with Bill Clinton. This is just more blatant lying to assist a poor argument in this moment.

Every time republicans are in power, they spend like sailors then trash the economy. Then they blame the Democratic Party. I still haven’t seen any plan or platform and don’t expect to. Just Lies and distractions. Unless we’re talking about their plan to increase taxes on all Americans and gutting Medicare and social security, which is the opposite of helping Americans, which Mitch McConnell doesn’t want them talking about. Blaming others for world wide inflation and high gas, but offering no solutions.
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Drak wrote: Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:14 am The op is full of feces when he speaks about past great leadership, because he has trashed every single Dem President as a poor leader. The same thing he’s doing with Biden. He never thought Bill Clinton was good for the economy. And he never thought Obama was either. In fact, he constantly compared Obama to Jimmy Carter, just like he does with Joe Biden. And I have no doubt he probably did the same thing with Bill Clinton. This is just more blatant lying to assist a poor argument in this moment.

Every time republicans are in power, they spend like sailors then trash the economy. Then they blame the Democratic Party. I still haven’t seen any plan or platform and don’t expect to. Just Lies and distractions. Unless we’re talking about their plan to increase taxes on all Americans and gutting Medicare and social security, which is the opposite of helping Americans, which Mitch McConnell doesn’t want them talking about. Blaming others for world wide inflation and high gas, but offering no solutions.
Point of fact: no GOP budget has EVER cut spending year-to-year.
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