"Will traitor trump be indicted?" thread...

[Libertas]

Read on DU today that DOJ is leaking the following but the source that this is really from them is in question, better not be real:

The leak: It was for his EGO only that he stole and kept the top secret materials! Not for any business purpose! (Say, selling it off for $2B that's routed through Javanka)

And that therefore no indictment.


Since we all AGREE he is a felon, guilty of several different crimes that would put him away for life and then some, I thought we could use this thread to track and see if he gets away with it AGAIN!


https://youtu.be/a3_PPdjD6mg

[Glennfs]

Read on DU today that DOJ is leaking the following but the source that this is really from them is in question, better not be real:


And that therefore no indictment.


Since we all AGREE he is a felon, guilty of several different crimes that would put him away for life and then some, I thought we could use this thread to track and see if he gets away with it AGAIN!


https://youtu.be/a3_PPdjD6mg

He should be charged with the same crimes Sandy Berger was charged with when he stole documents for the Clinton's

[Libertas]

[carmenjonze]

There should be a “You Don’t Have to be From the South to be A Filthy Confederate” thread.

[Bludogdem]

He should be charged with the same crimes Sandy Berger was charged with when he stole documents for the Clinton's

Berger went into the National archives and stole them. Trump was still president and resident of the White House when he boxed up the documents. Big difference.

[gounion]

Berger went into the National archives and stole them. Trump was still president and resident of the White House when he boxed up the documents. Big difference.

The archives demanded them back. He ignored a subpoena and lied to the government about it.

Obstruction of Justice.

Trumper.

[Bludogdem]

The archives demanded them back. He ignored a subpoena and lied to the government about it.

Obstruction of Justice.

Trumper.

The archive never possessed them. The simple act of boxing the documents for shipment can be construed as an act of declaration that the documents were personal. Which, according to justice Amy Berman Jackson, is purely at the president’s discretion. Keep in mind that Merrick Garland was a federal appeals court Justice on the same district court as justice Jackson so you can be sure he is aware of the ruling as to a presidents unrestrained discretion to make documents personal.

[gounion]

The archive never possessed them. The simple act of boxing the documents for shipment can be construed as an act of declaration that the documents were personal. Which, according to justice Amy Berman Jackson, is purely at the president’s discretion. Keep in mind that Merrick Garland was a federal appeals court Justice on the same district court as justice Jackson so you can be sure he is aware of the ruling as to a presidents unrestrained discretion to make documents personal.

Bullshit. You're a royalist. You don't think the rule of law applies to King Trump. Not surprised.

[Glennfs]

Bullshit. You're a royalist. You don't think the rule of law applies to King Trump. Not surprised.

The problem becomes if Trump is convicted what then. At best he would get house arrest at his Florida resort.
Permitting him to leave on campaign trips and to appear in other courts.
If a person looks at it with an open mind it is very perplexing.
Trump gets convicted nothing happens and he becomes a martyr which could help him get reelected
Trump doesn't get indicted or convicted and we hear I told you so witch hunt politically motivated prosecution etc which could help him get reelected.
I truly don't see any upside for the American people no matter the outcome.
Unless as a convicted felon he can't run for federal office

[gounion]

The problem becomes if Trump is convicted what then. At best he would get house arrest at his Florida resort.
Permitting him to leave on campaign trips and to appear in other courts.
If a person looks at it with an open mind it is very perplexing.
Trump gets convicted nothing happens and he becomes a martyr which could help him get reelected
Trump doesn't get indicted or convicted and we hear I told you so witch hunt politically motivated prosecution etc which could help him get reelected.
I truly don't see any upside for the American people no matter the outcome.
Unless as a convicted felon he can't run for federal office

There IS no problem. Rule of Law. The Court will decide upon the sentence.

And, um, I don't know if you know this, but that's what Trump has said all along, he's a VICTIM. It's all a "witch hunt".

Do you believe in the rule of law or not? If he gets away with all this, then there won't ever be anything the President won't get away with.

We aren't royalists, Glenn. The President is NOT a King, and is subject to rule of law like anyone else.

Well, at least to ME. Maybe you conservatives feel differently.

[Libertas]

Bullshit. You're a royalist. You don't think the rule of law applies to King Trump. Not surprised.

Yes, they admire trump, board cons.

And the odd thing about it is trump is either the stupidest adult on earth or one of them.

Notice NONE of the here seem to have an issue with the traitor stealing top secret nuke docs and selling them to our enemies.

W O W

[Glennfs]

There IS no problem. Rule of Law. The Court will decide upon the sentence.

And, um, I don't know if you know this, but that's what Trump has said all along, he's a VICTIM. It's all a "witch hunt".

Do you believe in the rule of law or not? If he gets away with all this, then there won't ever be anything the President won't get away with.

We aren't royalists, Glenn. The President is NOT a King, and is subject to rule of law like anyone else.

Well, at least to ME. Maybe you conservatives feel differently.

The key word being openmined about the situation.
So if Trump does get indicted and convicted what then.
There simply is no positive outcome from this regardless of what happens.

BTW I didn't say it was a witch hunt I said that is what we would be hearing

[Glennfs]

Yes, they admire trump, board cons.

And the odd thing about it is trump is either the stupidest adult on earth or one of them.

Notice NONE of the here seem to have an issue with the traitor stealing top secret nuke docs and selling them to our enemies.

W O W

Ok so let's say Trump gets convicted what happens then.

[gounion]

The key word being openmined about the situation.
So if Trump does get indicted and convicted what then.
There simply is no positive outcome from this regardless of what happens.

BTW I didn't say it was a witch hunt I said that is what we would be hearing

You're only "openminded" about Trump - meaning "I'm always on his side".

If Trump is indicted and convicted, then rule of law prevails, and everyone understands that you can't get away with crap like this.

And "witch hunt" is what we're hearing NOW, and have been hearing from Trump and MAGA for six years. Republicans are professional victims.

[gounion]

Ok so let's say Trump gets convicted what happens then.

Sandy Berger was convicted but didn't spend jail time. Many people are convicted but don't spend jail time.

That's up to the courts. Let's let a judge decide, shall we?

[Glennfs]

You're only "openminded" about Trump - meaning "I'm always on his side".

If Trump is indicted and convicted, then rule of law prevails, and everyone understands that you can't get away with crap like this.

And "witch hunt" is what we're hearing NOW, and have been hearing from Trump and MAGA for six years. Republicans are professional victims.

So would an indictment of trump help or hurt his chances at reelection. Same fir a conviction.
I personally believe it would make him a martyr and help him.

[gounion]

So would an indictment of trump help or hurt his chances at reelection. Same fir a conviction.
I personally believe it would make him a martyr and help him.

So you're saying that the GOP doesn't believe in Rule of Law. There's a reason the Justice statue has a blindfold on:



Trump will ALWAYS play the victim, and conservatives always think they are victims.

But you try Trump and make him understand that the law applies to everyone. Maybe the next Republican will pay attention to the law, and not say "Trump got away with it, so can I". Because if Trump isn't held to account, there is no law.

[Libertas]

Sandy Berger was convicted but didn't spend jail time. Many people are convicted but don't spend jail time.

That's up to the courts. Let's let a judge decide, shall we?

The idea Berger is mentioned in the same conversation is absurd. THIS is why talking to cons is useless.

AND the way "rule of law" works (something cons used to scream about when the issue was a blow job) is you punish the guilty so OTHERS dont follow in their footsteps, otherwise NOBODY is obeying the law.

[gounion]

AND the way "rule of law" works (something cons used to scream about when the issue was a blow job) is you punish the guilty so OTHERS dont follow in their footsteps, otherwise NOBODY is obeying the law.

Oh, yeah, when talking about the death penalty, that's EXACTLY their reasoning.

But if their own GOP elected officials are guilty of breaking the law, they don't think ANYTHING should EVER be done. Only Democrats need to go to jail.

[Libertas]

Oh, yeah, when talking about the death penalty, that's EXACTLY their reasoning.

But if their own GOP elected officials are guilty of breaking the law, they don't think ANYTHING should EVER be done. Only Democrats need to go to jail.

But again, just mentioning Berger in this, comparing stealing top secret documents that could result in the death of BILLIONS to sell to our enemy to what Berger did, should INFURIATE any patriot.

[Bludogdem]

Bullshit. You're a royalist. You don't think the rule of law applies to King Trump. Not surprised.

I understand the rule of law. I understand the district court ruling. Apparently you don’t. I understand the guidance for NARA that recognizes the the undisputed discretion the president has to make records and documents personal. Apparently you don’t. You can be sure Merrick Garland understands the meaning of justice Jackson’s decision.

[gounion]

I understand the rule of law. I understand the district court ruling. Apparently you don’t. I understand the guidance for NARA that recognizes the the undisputed discretion the president has to make records and documents personal. Apparently you don’t. You can be sure Merrick Garland understands the meaning of justice Jackson’s decision.

Ah yes you've got so damned many degrees you understand everything don't you?

Trump is subject to the law like everyone else.

And we'll see if Garland indicts. It sounds like he's going to. So, if he does, you'll have to change your story won't you?

[Glennfs]

Ah yes you've got so damned many degrees you understand everything don't you?

Trump is subject to the law like everyone else.

And we'll see if Garland indicts. It sounds like he's going to. So, if he does, you'll have to change your story won't you?

If this were a made for TV movie you would be 100pct correct. But, you need to stop and consider what would the effects be here in the real world.
Personally I believe that unless a federal conviction prevents Trump from running. An indictment or conviction only increases his chances at reelection.

[gounion]

If this were a made for TV movie you would be 100pct correct. But, you need to stop and consider what would the effects be here in the real world.
Personally I believe that unless a federal conviction prevents Trump from running. An indictment or conviction only increases his chances at reelection.

Well, if you think that GOP voters are that gullible, that says it all about your side.

[Bludogdem]

Ah yes you've got so damned many degrees you understand everything don't you?

Trump is subject to the law like everyone else.

And we'll see if Garland indicts. It sounds like he's going to. So, if he does, you'll have to change your story won't you?

If he does it just means he might be a little to political.

And you can be sure the Supreme Court will agree with Justice Jackson(a liberal) on the presidential discretion issue.

I also know that congress lacks the constitutional authority to legislate how the president operates the office. Apparently you don’t. Which calls into question the authority of the PRA over the President.