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PostPosted: Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:00 pm 
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Shall the hype train begin? :D

OK. So, as always, the trailers have me wondering certain things. That's obviously unintentional. :mrgreen:

Luke barely appeared in #7 but clearly will be central to #8. We hear one line he says that seems pretty ominous given the title of the film: "I only know one truth. It's time for the Jedi to end." What does that mean?

Who is Rey? Will we get an answer? Obviously four sets of fan theories: she's a Skywalker, she's a Kenobi, she's a Solo (thus Kylo Ren's sister), or ... now this would be a twist ... she's a Palpatine! There looks like a scene where Kylo Ren offers her his hand after she says "I want to find my place in these things". Wow. Does she go over to the Dark Side (maybe just temporarily)? Or is this just a repeat of Empire Strikes Back ... offered temptation, refuses?

Is General Leia gonna die? The trailer pretty much says Kylo Ren will finish his parricide by killing mom as well as pop. And let's face it. Carrie Fisher did die in real life, the character kinda has to go.

Who is Lord Snoke? The "Emperor" of the First Order? Seems to be another Sith Lord, but ... who is he?

What is that thing flapping its wings and screeching next to Chewbacca on the Millennium Falcon? (OK, BTW, we really already know. It's "Porg". :mrgreen: ) What use is it, as it doesn't seem able to actually operate any of the Falcon's controls? :rw)

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BTW, the latest teaser trailers have included this frame:

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That's Rey holding Kylo Ren's red "cross guard" lightsaber. However, that doesn't look like her going over to the Dark Side, as she appears to be attacking the two First Order acolytes near her.

One theory about the film: Luke in the trailer keeps talking about the Balance. He may end up being the Last (Light Side) Jedi because some have theorized Rey will become a Grey Jedi, someone who serves the Balance, rather than just the Light Side.

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Too deep for me. I enjoyed the Star Wars movies even though the first prequel was weak. Interesting speculation though. I will throw this speculation in: I think she is a Solo. Or possibly might be like Aniken, no father.

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Saw it last night. Enjoyed the movie. Would see it again.

Won't start a discussion about details for a few days to avoid spoiling it for others.


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Yeah, I know I'm not the best person to ask for this :D , but try and keep it spoiler free for a few more days. This board supposedly has spoiler tags, but I can't figure out how to use them. I guess if you can, go ahead.

That said, I welcome spoiler free reactions and reviews. So far, reviewers seem to be trying to avoid spoiling it, while giving it very good reviews & reactions.

Many are comparing it to Empire Strikes Back - which is what some folks believe is the best film of the 1-6 series.

I'm planning on seeing it this weekend.

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If you like Star Wars you'll like this movie. I don't expect it to be anyone's favorite but I think most everyone will come away pleased.

It's over 2.5 hours so there's plenty of time to tell the story and that's mostly a good thing. There's a little fat that could have been trimmed for time and a few jokes that seemed unnecessary but that's all I will offer in criticism of this chapter. Might be one more if I was a physics snob.

Can't really compare it to Empire or any of the other movies. This one has an entirely new feel and I like the new direction.

See it in 3D. A few of the visual effects are spectacular.


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I'll see it. I like the Star Wars universe, though with the books and all, it's getting complicated.

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I just came back from seeing the new Star Wars movie. Knowing this was Carrie Fisher’s last movie left me wondering how they’ll deal with her death and her character Leia.

SPOILER ALERT! If you don’t want to see this don’t scroll down.













My popcorn was delicious. Oh, and the movie good, too.

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So - and this is not spoiling anything about the movie proper - as it has been in news articles -- they've said they will not use CGI to recreate Carrie Fisher (as the older General Leia) like they did in Rogue One, nor have they started any filming for Episode IX. She did finish all her scenes for 8.

I suspect something will happen to her in the scrolling text for the beginning of Episode IX.

I guess that kinda gives something away about the movie - the answer to one of my questions above was ...








Yes, the popcorn tasted really great with the popcorn seasoning in the theatre lobby. :rw)

OK: ... and may the force be with you... Carrie. ;)

My favorite scene was when all the Porg tribes united to come to the aid of the resistance and take down the First Order.

OK. I kid, I kid. They're not sentient and they don't have hands. Heck, they don't even have beaks. What are they going to do? That was a different movie. :rw)

There's a political subtext lurking in the film. The planet of Canto Bight contains a casino which is sort of the opposite of the cantina bar in IV ... it's full of rich assholes instead of lowlifes. And how did they all get rich? Selling weapons to both sides of the conflict. That's why they are the richest folks in the galaxy.

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So - and this is not spoiling anything about the movie proper - as it has been in news articles -- they've said they will not use CGI to recreate Carrie Fisher (as the older General Leia) like they did in Rogue One, nor have they started any filming for Episode IX. She did finish all her scenes for 8.

I suspect something will happen to her in the scrolling text for the beginning of Episode IX.

I guess that kinda gives something away about the movie - the answer to one of my questions above was ...








Yes, the popcorn tasted really great with the popcorn seasoning in the theatre lobby. :rw)

OK: ... and may the force be with you... Carrie. ;)

My favorite scene was when all the Porg tribes united to come to the aid of the resistance and take down the First Order.

OK. I kid, I kid. They're not sentient and they don't have hands. Heck, they don't even have beaks. What are they going to do? That was a different movie. :rw)

There's a political subtext lurking in the film. The planet of Canto Bight contains a casino which is sort of the opposite of the cantina bar in IV ... it's full of rich assholes instead of lowlifes. And how did they all get rich? Selling weapons to both sides of the conflict. That's why they are the richest folks in the galaxy.

Soooooo.....what do you think happened to C3POs red arm?


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Above my pay grade, mate.

But the folks at io9 seem to be on top of it. Where he got it from - why he no longer has it in VIII.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/so-now-we-know- ... 1770741572

BTW, while R2D2 and C3PO were in this one, as they are supposed to be in all 9 (the only characters), they didn't have much to do. Of course, thew new droid on the block, beachball BB-8, did plenty.

Oh and one more thing - I kinda like Laura Dern with purple hair, as a punk rock Star Admiral.

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So - and this is not spoiling anything about the movie proper - as it has been in news articles -- they've said they will not use CGI to recreate Carrie Fisher (as the older General Leia) like they did in Rogue One, nor have they started any filming for Episode IX. She did finish all her scenes for 8.

I suspect something will happen to her in the scrolling text for the beginning of Episode IX.

I guess that kinda gives something away about the movie - the answer to one of my questions above was ...







Yes, the popcorn tasted really great with the popcorn seasoning in the theatre lobby. :rw)

OK: ... and may the force be with you... Carrie. ;)

My favorite scene was when all the Porg tribes united to come to the aid of the resistance and take down the First Order.

OK. I kid, I kid. They're not sentient and they don't have hands. Heck, they don't even have beaks. What are they going to do? That was a different movie. :rw)

There's a political subtext lurking in the film. The planet of Canto Bight contains a casino which is sort of the opposite of the cantina bar in IV ... it's full of rich assholes instead of lowlifes. And how did they all get rich? Selling weapons to both sides of the conflict. That's why they are the richest folks in the galaxy.

I didn't see any reason other than comedic appeal for kids for the Pogs to even be in the story.

As for the casino scene, that's a bit of a salute to the original Star Wars movie. Even the opening notes of the casino music were similar to the music being played in the cantina.

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I didn't see any reason other than comedic appeal for kids for the Pogs to even be in the story.


Some folks said the same thing about the Ewoks in RotJ ... that was the point of my joke.

And let's not get into Jar Jar Binks. :twisted:

I think the casino was kind of the anti-cantina bar, though. The cantina bar was full of smuggler, criminals, lowlives.

The casino was full of the galaxy's wealthiest - but I notice they contrasted it with the slums surrounding it. (Sort of reminds me of the Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City.)

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Some folks said the same thing about the Ewoks in RotJ ... that was the point of my joke.

And let's not get into Jar Jar Binks. :twisted:

Pogs, Ewoks, and Jar Jar Binks are the worst characters in the Star Wars saga.

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I think the casino was kind of the anti-cantina bar, though. The cantina bar was full of smuggler, criminals, lowlives.

The casino was full of the galaxy's wealthiest - but I notice they contrasted it with the slums surrounding it. (Sort of reminds me of the Trump Taj Mahal in Atlantic City.)

I agree. I think they did that more because they had used that scene in the original Star Wars and doing a similar scene with the same type of characters would have seemed like they were running out of story-line. I think if you look at a lot of casinos, including Indian casinos, they tend to be in areas that are rundown or poor so that scene is reflective of our present society.

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OK -- I'm going to answer some of my own questions. **THESE RESPONSES CONTAIN SPOILERS**

ALL SPOILERS IN THIS POST ARE TINYIZED FOR YOUR PROTECTION. You will either have to squint hard to read them, or enlarge the font, but either means you are choosing to read them.

If you don't even want to read anything remotely spoilerish, you might be best off avoiding this post totally. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED, and this time I am not joking.

Who is Rey?

According to Kylo Ren - the daughter of two despondent junker/traders on Jakku who sold off their own kid to pay their debts - a "nobody". On the one hand, Kylo lies. On the other, he says to Rey she can feel this also through the Force, and she doesn't respond. The ending of the film suggests that even with Luke's death, she may not be the true "Last" Jedi, either. There could be others. I guess the Midichlorians get around.

Who is Snoke?

It doesn't appear to matter - he dies. BTW, if one fan theory is correct (Darth Plagueis), he might be able to resurrect himself. The Visual Dictionary says, BTW, he's not a Sith lord, just somebody powerful in the Dark Side. My guess is there might be more backstory in forthcoming side fanfic, but unless he isn't really dead, I don't see them exploring this in IX. He appears to be quite old - he seems to have been around for everything that happened in 1-6, and maybe even back to the Old Republic.

Kylo/Ben is the new Supreme Leader of the First Order. And even though Rey doesn't win him back to the Light Side, you can see he is conflicted - in the way Vader was but Palpatine wasn't. This should make IX/the finale a really interesting story as he wrestles with this. I predict there is no redemption as with his grandfather. But we'll see!

Does General Leia die?

Well, guess what, we've always known she too had the power of the Force. That's what saves her from being killed by two First Order gunners who destroy the cockpit on the cruiser she's in. Ben/Kylo is ordered by Snoke to kill his mother - unlike as with Han, he can't go through with it. Killing mom is harder. But here he fails to act before two other fighters attempt to kill her instead. Anyway, proving she too is a Force user, she actually uses this to survive and return to another ship.

Yes, she lives to the end of the film, and does get one brief touching reunion with her brother Luke - alas, it was only a Force projection. But as I said earlier, the actress Carrie Fisher's death is apparently causing them to write her out of Episode IX, in which otherwise she apparently might have a huge role as General Leia.


If you don't want to read any of the above, bear in mind that discussion in the newspapers about Carrie Fisher & the sequel already gives you the answer -- as I said.

It also answers whether she will be in the finale of this trilogy.

Oh and one final spoiler, what happens to Luke?

If Mark Hamill is in IX, he will only be there the way possibly Yoda, Obi-Wan, and maybe even Anakin, might appear, as "Force ghosts". It's not clear exactly why he dies at the end of the film - "Force overexertion" it's assumed, or maybe Kylo could wound him across time and space - anyway, he disappears from his robe much like Kenobi does in IV/New Hope.

The fan theories that he would go over to the Dark Side - dead wrong. :roll:

Remember, if you don't want spoilers, don't squint, don't enlarge, heck, ignore this post.

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So, there's been this interesting development.

The critics love this film. Ordinary moviegoers, hardcore SW fans especially ... don't. The fan and critic ratings are diverging wildly.

Some of this, I think, has to do with the portrayal of Luke Skywalker in the film. Won't say more. It's deep spoiler territory. :D But, Hamill has said he was disappointed with some of the things Johnson did with the character.

Some of the fan backlash, though, might be driven by the alt-right, through bots.

The Alt-Right Hate The Last Jedi So Much They’re Trying to Spam Rotten Tomatoes
https://www.gq.com/story/last-jedi-spam-rotten-tomatoes

You may have heard that there's a new Star Wars movie out, and you may have heard that it's getting mostly pretty good reviews. If you check Rotten Tomatoes though, there's a pretty wide gulf between what the critics and the audience at large seems to think about The Last Jedi. While the critics' score is 93 percent positive, the audience rating is 55 percent positive, firmly in the "rotten" category.

Now, here are a lot of things that could account for this. The Last Jedi has some narrative missteps, some plot points that don't seem to go anywhere, and some unanswered questions that could be intriguing but maybe are just plot holes. And both it and The Force Awakens derail the happy ending we got for all the main characters at the end of Return of the Jedi. Considering how many people have grown up with those characters and the original movies, it's not surprising that there would be a lot of folks upset with the directions of the new movies. Even director Rian Johnson has been feeling fan backlash, saying "the fans are so passionate, they care so deeply — sometimes they care very violently at me on Twitter."

But of course there's a nefarious explanation too: the alt-right, so enraged by the swelling diversity of the Star Wars cast, orchestrated a campaign of negative reviews to own the libs. A Facebook page called "Down with Disney's Treatment of Franchises and its Fanboys" is taking credit for The Last Jedi's paltry audience score, and Huffington Post managed to get in touch with the undoubtedly pleasant fellow behind the account:

On Tuesday, we sent a direct message to the page, whose moderator responded almost immediately. He explained that he’s upset with “Star Wars” producers for, “among other things,” introducing more female characters into the franchise’s universe. Throughout the course of our conversation, the self-identified member of the “alt-right” claimed that Poe Dameron (played by Oscar Isaac) is a “victim of the anti-mansplaining movement,” that Poe and Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) are in danger of being “turn[ed]” gay, and that men should be reinstated as rulers of “society.”

The moderator claims he's behind a wave of bots spamming Rotten Tomatoes with negative reviews for The Last Jedi, but the vice president for Rotten Tomatoes says that's pretty unlikely. There hasn't been an uptick in user activity compared to The Force Awakens, and other websites show a similar gulf in critic and viewer scores. But it's not out of bounds compared to what misogynist fanboys have tried in the past. When Mad Max: Fury Road came out, far-right bloggers tried to start a boycott for mostly the same reasons: Charlize Theron had too many lines in the previews. That boycott wasn't successful so much as ridiculed relentlessly.

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OK, I could go more into some of my problems with the film. Its strong female characters, the fact that people with Black and Asian phenotypes exist in space, ... not one of them. BTW, Poe Dameron, the Han-like flyboy, is no victim. He's central to the film's resolution. Dunno what they're complaining about. Again spoiler territory. :D

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I saw the movie, enjoyed it a great deal. The hateful Republican right wing is the reason we can't have nice things.

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The Last Jedi has been out now for over two weeks so I have questions that no one has addressed yet. IIRC, at the end of the movie we see a couple of stable boys and their keeper shoos them out of the stable to do their jobs. One boy steps outside and reaches out for a broom but before he could touch it the broom moved to his hand. How did that happen, by using the Force? If he did, then does that mean he has the power to become a Jedi warrior. The title of the movie is Star Wars: The Last Jedi so is it Rey or the stable boy who is the last Jedi? My guess is the boy has the power of the force but hasn't developed or explored his potential to use it which will allow the saga to expand in other directions later on.

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The Last Jedi has been out now for over two weeks so I have questions that no one has addressed yet. IIRC, at the end of the movie we see a couple of stable boys and their keeper shoos them out of the stable to do their jobs. One boy steps outside and reaches out for a broom but before he could touch it the broom moved to his hand. How did that happen, by using the Force? If he did, then does that mean he has the power to become a Jedi warrior. The title of the movie is Star Wars: The Last Jedi so is it Rey or the stable boy who is the last Jedi? My guess is the boy has the power of the force but hasn't developed or explored his potential to use it which will allow the saga to expand in other directions later on.


I'm going to keep this tinyized. At some point, I think I will stop giving spoiler warnings, but let's give folks to the New Year at least. :D

Spoiler warning. Don't squint or enlarge, unless you're ready for spoilers.

Yeah, Luke does say to Kylo "I am not the Last Jedi". My guess is he's primarily speaking about Rey. Now, note, Luke never completed his training with Yoda. However, he gave far less training to Rey. Too busy drinking green milk (yeah, that scene was ... awkward. Milking the breast of a creature while staring oddly at Rey.) At least the Jedi still have their books (though Yoda said "they are not exactly page turners"). I think the final scene with the kid in the film (incidentally, he does have a name, but you'll have to read the Visual Dictionary for that -- "Broom Boy" is actually Temiri Blagg) is to indicate that she isn't the "Last" either ... that apparently the Midichlorians are not sticking only to the old bloodlines, so who knows, Rey may get some students to train.

There was also the hint that while Ben slaughtered some of Luke's students, he took some others with him to form the Knights of Ren. Could some still be redeemed, even if Ben can't?

My guess is, though, given plenty of hints given by Johnson, the "New" Jedi order or whatever follows will be very different from the past. Maybe more "grey," less formalized, etc.

Kylo/Ben is apparently not a Sith either - smashing the mask might have something to do with him also breaking from his grandfather.

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I'm going to keep this tinyized. At some point, I think I will stop giving spoiler warnings, but let's give folks to the New Year at least. :D

Spoiler warning. Don't squint or enlarge, unless you're ready for spoilers.

Yeah, Luke does say to Kylo "I am not the Last Jedi". My guess is he's primarily speaking about Rey. Now, note, Luke never completed his training with Yoda. However, he gave far less training to Rey. Too busy drinking green milk (yeah, that scene was ... awkward. Milking the breast of a creature while staring oddly at Rey.) At least the Jedi still have their books (though Yoda said "they are not exactly page turners"). I think the final scene with the kid in the film (incidentally, he does have a name, but you'll have to read the Visual Dictionary for that -- "Broom Boy" is actually Temiri Blagg) is to indicate that she isn't the "Last" either ... that apparently the Midichlorians are not sticking only to the old bloodlines, so who knows, Rey may get some students to train.

There was also the hint that while Ben slaughtered some of Luke's students, he took some others with him to form the Knights of Ren. Could some still be redeemed, even if Ben can't?

My guess is, though, given plenty of hints given by Johnson, the "New" Jedi order or whatever follows will be very different from the past. Maybe more "grey," less formalized, etc.

Kylo/Ben is apparently not a Sith either - smashing the mask might have something to do with him also breaking from his grandfather.

Here's another spoiler but I'll do like you and tinyize it.

After the Jedi books were "burned" you can see them later when Rey is in the Millennium Falcon.

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Casino = bar. The first movie was in the 70s, when there was any hope for anything. This is for the age of plutocracy. It reminds me of those oil sheikdoms where you're either a billionaire or a wage slave.

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The Last Jedi feels like The Empire Strikes Back. A lot of sound and fury, the near destruction of the Good Guys, and a long nasty look into The Dark Side. All with minimal advancement of the story. Like one of those old Dr. Who serials when they have to drag things out for three episodes before anything definitive happens.

Han Solo's kid, whose seduction by The Dark Side appears to be the reason for the decline of the Jedi order, ends up running the galaxy. We see that you can't kill an idea, and the Resistance is that idea. (Timely.) But that's another movie. That's pretty much it. 15 minutes of story in a 2.5-hour movie.

Ms. Z, who lacks the SF gosh-wow thing, hated it. Maxi sound and fury, mini story. I agreed that the story seemed a bit thin, though I loved the sound and fury.

Luke's body may be dead, but he was essentially dead to the story line well before this movie even got made. There are probably more Jedi in training, though at this point it's self-instruction. Maybe Luke will come back as another Force ghost to help Yoda train them. That's about all he's good for, unless we find out he's not dead, just shape-shifted temporarily to regain his physical strength. But that's conjecture.

I see Mark Hammil's point about his character. He had to play a complete burnout who rallies his last hurrah to get the non-story over with. Shitty part.

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Ok. So you can do spoiler tags on this board. Ah. I see. The tag is "spoil" not "spoiler" no wonder my using the 2nd didn't work.

Oh shit. So that white box is the spoiler tag? I mean, that's non-obvious, I figured that button did something else, but I just read the hover text underneath. :D

So: no warnings & tinyize, just box. This is my spoiler-based response to Zowie.

I think Luke is "dead" in the same way that Yoda, Ben, and Anakin are, though only one of the three showed up as a "Force Ghost" in TLJ and that was Yoda. He threatened to haunt Ben/Kylo in the final film, and my guess is he will. Kind of like the Ghost of Jedis Past, he'll pop out of the Force and say "I told you I'd see you around, kid."

So, the problem with the portrayal of Luke in this film is ... if you'll recall, part of the whole plot dynamic in Force Awakens is everybody searching for a map to Skywalker. Well, if he was a despondent hermit living on a planet doing nothing but drinking fresh squeezed green milk, why would anybody be trying to find him? The first film of the new trilogy hinted at him discovering some secrets of the First Jedi. Well, we know they built their Temple over the Big Black Blowhole to the Dark Side, and all Rey found inside of it was infinite reflections. We just don't know why.

I get that Johnson was trying to give him a chance at redemption at the end, but yeah the redemption was thin and weak. Does he come to the aid of his own sister and the Resistance? Well, with an illusion to provide a distraction; that's the best he could muster. Of course Ol Buddy Yoda talks him out of his funk. "Failure is a great teacher." Good point- could have told him that before Rey arrived. It's actually amazing she's figured out anything about the Force at all -- Yoda never completed Luke's training but at least he made more of an effort. He promised her three lessons but by my count it was close to 0.5 lessons, and a lot of moping, complaining, and remaining in a funk.

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Casino = bar. The first movie was in the 70s, when there was any hope for anything. This is for the age of plutocracy. It reminds me of those oil sheikdoms where you're either a billionaire or a wage slave.

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The Last Jedi feels like The Empire Strikes Back. A lot of sound and fury, the near destruction of the Good Guys, and a long nasty look into The Dark Side. All with minimal advancement of the story. Like one of those old Dr. Who serials when they have to drag things out for three episodes before anything definitive happens.

Han Solo's kid, whose seduction by The Dark Side appears to be the reason for the decline of the Jedi order, ends up running the galaxy. We see that you can't kill an idea, and the Resistance is that idea. (Timely.) But that's another movie. That's pretty much it. 15 minutes of story in a 2.5-hour movie.


Ms. Z, who lacks the SF gosh-wow thing, hated it. Maxi sound and fury, mini story. I agreed that the story seemed a bit thin, though I loved the sound and fury.

Luke's body may be dead, but he was essentially dead to the story line well before this movie even got made. There are probably more Jedi in training, though at this point it's self-instruction. Maybe Luke will come back as another Force ghost to help Yoda train them. That's about all he's good for, unless we find out he's not dead, just shape-shifted temporarily to regain his physical strength. But that's conjecture.

I see Mark Hammil's point about his character. He had to play a complete burnout who rallies his last hurrah to get the non-story over with. Shitty part.

I was thinking along the same lines that Luke will come back as as "ghost" just like Yoda and Obi Wan-Kenobi did. As for Luke's role in the story line being dead, I wouldn't bet the farm on that. There are many directions his role could take that we haven't thought of yet.

That "spoiler alert" button is kinda neat. Better than having to tinyized our response.

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Ok. So you can do spoiler tags on this board. Ah. I see. The tag is "spoil" not "spoiler" no wonder my using the 2nd didn't work.

Oh shit. So that white box is the spoiler tag? I mean, that's non-obvious, I figured that button did something else, but I just read the hover text underneath. :D

So: no warnings & tinyize, just box. This is my spoiler-based response to Zowie.

I think Luke is "dead" in the same way that Yoda, Ben, and Anakin are, though only one of the three showed up as a "Force Ghost" in TLJ and that was Yoda. He threatened to haunt Ben/Kylo in the final film, and my guess is he will. Kind of like the Ghost of Jedis Past, he'll pop out of the Force and say "I told you I'd see you around, kid."

So, the problem with the portrayal of Luke in this film is ... if you'll recall, part of the whole plot dynamic in Force Awakens is everybody searching for a map to Skywalker. Well, if he was a despondent hermit living on a planet doing nothing but drinking fresh squeezed green milk, why would anybody be trying to find him? The first film of the new trilogy hinted at him discovering some secrets of the First Jedi. Well, we know they built their Temple over the Big Black Blowhole to the Dark Side, and all Rey found inside of it was infinite reflections. We just don't know why.

I get that Johnson was trying to give him a chance at redemption at the end, but yeah the redemption was thin and weak. Does he come to the aid of his own sister and the Resistance? Well, with an illusion to provide a distraction; that's the best he could muster. Of course Ol Buddy Yoda talks him out of his funk. "Failure is a great teacher." Good point- could have told him that before Rey arrived. It's actually amazing she's figured out anything about the Force at all -- Yoda never completed Luke's training but at least he made more of an effort. He promised her three lessons but by my count it was close to 0.5 lessons, and a lot of moping, complaining, and remaining in a funk.

The movie left many unanswered questions but that's normal in a serialized movie.

I'm not sure Luke is dead, alive, or now a "ghost." He "projected" his image from where he had retreated to confront Kylo Ren so who is to say when we saw him vanish he wasn't projecting his image there too. Of course, when Darth Vader killed Obi-Wan Kenobi we saw Obi-Wan vanish with just his tunic/cape falling to the ground and when Luke vanished we saw the same thing.

As you said, Luke only trained Rey to the way Mr. Miyagi taught Daniel; wax on, wax off. Rey has a lot of raw energy and power and she's only just starting to understand what "let alone how to use it.

The title of the movie is [i]Star Wars: The Last Jedi" but the movie doesn't answer the question as to who the last Jedi is. Is it Luke, Rey, Rylo Ren, or the stable boy at the end of the movie. I guess we'll have to wait for the next installment.

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Wasn't a fan of this one. Quite frankly, I was bored. Didn't like the Fin/Rose story line - didn't understand why so much screen time when screen time could have been given to better stuff. Thought the casino planet stuff was ultra cheesy. Felt Snoke was pretty weak and pretty much sucked. Would have liked to have seen more Luke/Rey/Ren stuff. Too much going on visually etc. Dunno, maybe I'm getting old.

Out of all the recent Star Wars movies, I really liked Rogue One.

Apparently I like the word "stuff."

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