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All about taxes and personal greed, nothing new to see here.
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US-23 reopens after gas line rupture sends debris into road near Fenton
Crews are on the scene after a gas line ruptured near US-23 and Center Road in Tyrone Township on Wednesday morning.

People in the area reported on social media that they heard a loud explosion this morning....

....“They were cleaning the natural gas pipe. Ground started shaking. He took off running and it just blew. 50 feet in the air. Shook the whole building and blew up old 23,” said Rick Richardson of Woody's Towing.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:36 pm I’m not sure just what your point is? You are not making much sense. Personally, I like Tennessee. I like Florida. I like Texas. I like Mississippi but it wasn’t my tax home. I prefer states that don’t tax my income. I prefer states that are business friendly. I don’t hate the other states. I like to visit them. I just wouldn’t want to live in some of them.
"Business friendly" is a canard. The most "business friendly" state is New York, which is the business capital of the nation, and one of the biggest of the world. Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh made their fortunes in New York. Well, Trump scammed his fortune, but still, you want to get rich, New York is the best place to do so.

I notice that the most important thing to you is money. Your life and everything you say revolves around it. It's your singular focus. Nothing matter more to you. It's the only thing you talk about.

Taxes are our society bill, and they are required to have a modern society. While Tennessee doesn't have an income tax, it does have a very high sales tax. I pay 9.75 percent on everything I buy, including food.

Kansas, a red state where then Governor Brownback cut out taxes all on business, has one of the highest taxes on vehicles in the nation, along with income tax AND a high sales tax. Even a cheap used car would cost you hundreds of dollars a year in property taxes.

So anyone who focuses on state income taxes is a fool. Wow, that would be you!

Why don't you tell me how to run a modern society without taxes, since you hate them so much. If a state doesn't have an income tax, they have to raise money somehow. One of the funniest things I've seen, as a traveler, is how these "business friendly" states have huge jacked-up taxes on travel, such as hotel and tourism. It's pretty easy to gouge travelers on taxes when they don't vote in that locale. They might quote you a hundred dollars a night for the room rate, and it's a hundred fifty when they get done with you.

Taxes are high in Maryland, but I didn't mind - you get a lot for it. But, since a lot of people live there, housing is expensive, and having grown up in Kansas, I do prefer suburban living to the big city. My wife has health issues, and freeways make her nervous. We looked at many states, Colorado and Oregon were high on our list. I planned to go to college, though I haven't yet because of COVID, so I wanted a school that wasn't too big but had sports that I could go see and enjoy. At the school here, as a retiree I can audit class for a grand total of $25 a semester. I have a short drive to one of the coolest cities in America, Nashville, but I've got the small-town feel.

The biggest think I hated about it is moving back to tornado country. Bad storms are exceedingly rare in Maryland, and I loved that.

Of course, the government here is doing everything it can to ruin this state, starting with the schools. But, unlike you, Joe, I'm no armchair activist. I get involved. That's one thing retirees have - time to volunteer.

But I know you hold such things as volunteering in contempt, because you think the only respectable thing to use time for is for making money.
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gounion wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:47 am "Business friendly" is a canard. The most "business friendly" state is New York, which is the business capital of the nation, and one of the biggest of the world. Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh made their fortunes in New York. Well, Trump scammed his fortune, but still, you want to get rich, New York is the best place to do so.

I notice that the most important thing to you is money. Your life and everything you say revolves around it. It's your singular focus. Nothing matter more to you. It's the only thing you talk about.

Taxes are our society bill, and they are required to have a modern society. While Tennessee doesn't have an income tax, it does have a very high sales tax. I pay 9.75 percent on everything I buy, including food.

Kansas, a red state where then Governor Brownback cut out taxes all on business, has one of the highest taxes on vehicles in the nation, along with income tax AND a high sales tax. Even a cheap used car would cost you hundreds of dollars a year in property taxes.

So anyone who focuses on state income taxes is a fool. Wow, that would be you!

Why don't you tell me how to run a modern society without taxes, since you hate them so much. If a state doesn't have an income tax, they have to raise money somehow. One of the funniest things I've seen, as a traveler, is how these "business friendly" states have huge jacked-up taxes on travel, such as hotel and tourism. It's pretty easy to gouge travelers on taxes when they don't vote in that locale. They might quote you a hundred dollars a night for the room rate, and it's a hundred fifty when they get done with you.

Taxes are high in Maryland, but I didn't mind - you get a lot for it. But, since a lot of people live there, housing is expensive, and having grown up in Kansas, I do prefer suburban living to the big city. My wife has health issues, and freeways make her nervous. We looked at many states, Colorado and Oregon were high on our list. I planned to go to college, though I haven't yet because of COVID, so I wanted a school that wasn't too big but had sports that I could go see and enjoy. At the school here, as a retiree I can audit class for a grand total of $25 a semester. I have a short drive to one of the coolest cities in America, Nashville, but I've got the small-town feel.

The biggest think I hated about it is moving back to tornado country. Bad storms are exceedingly rare in Maryland, and I loved that.

Of course, the government here is doing everything it can to ruin this state, starting with the schools. But, unlike you, Joe, I'm no armchair activist. I get involved. That's one thing retirees have - time to volunteer.

But I know you hold such things as volunteering in contempt, because you think the only respectable thing to use time for is for making money.
Thanks for the lecture on government. I pay my taxes. Like most of your liberal idols, I don’t pay anymore than I have to. I don’t care why you live where you live or what you like about the states you choose to live in or visit. That’s your personal choice and your personal opinion. I don’t care how you spend your time. That’s also up to you. Do what makes you happy.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:56 am Thanks for the lecture on government. I pay my taxes. Like most of your liberal idols, I don’t pay anymore than I have to. I don’t care why you live where you live or what you like about the states you choose to live in or visit. That’s your personal choice and your personal opinion. I don’t care how you spend your time. That’s also up to you. Do what makes you happy.
Translation: “I’ve got nothin’!”
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gounion wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:08 am Translation: “I’ve got nothin’!”
Nothing is required.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:30 am Nothing is required.
Not of you. Can’t expect much of you as always.
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gounion wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:39 am Not of you. Can’t expect much of you as always.
Have a nice day.
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The current wave of high prices in cities and urbanized states was caused by artificial scarcities and bad economic planning, as pushed over the edge into chaos by a pandemic for which we were poorly prepared.

We had been a little bit better prepared, but the last Republican president did away with that. Then a new virus popped up.

Attempts to evade taxes by moving to the country only cause overpopulation in new places, culminating in problems that are only solved by raising taxes.
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ZoWie wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:00 pm The current wave of high prices in cities and urbanized states was caused by artificial scarcities and bad economic planning, as pushed over the edge into chaos by a pandemic for which we were poorly prepared.

We had been a little bit better prepared, but the last Republican president did away with that. Then a new virus popped up.

Attempts to evade taxes by moving to the country only cause overpopulation in new places, culminating in problems that are only solved by raising taxes.
I don’t know that people are moving to evade taxes. I think it is more of a value proposition. California is projecting surpluses in the billions of dollars. Yet their cities are overrun, filthy and violent. What are the taxpayers getting for their money? Who wants to pay those kinds of taxes and have to step over and around shit on the sidewalks? So yeah, if I can get a better job or if I can work remotely, why not work in a state that doesn’t tax the hell out of its citizens and offers a decent standard of living? If those urban areas don’t want to lose those tax paying citizens then they should start to address some of the reasons they are leaving. It’s unrealistic to expect them to continue to pay taxes for the level of service they receive.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:30 pm I don’t know that people are moving to evade taxes. I think it is more of a value proposition. California is projecting surpluses in the billions of dollars. Yet their cities are overrun, filthy and violent. What are the taxpayers getting for their money? Who wants to pay those kinds of taxes and have to step over and around shit on the sidewalks? So yeah, if I can get a better job or if I can work remotely, why not work in a state that doesn’t tax the hell out of its citizens and offers a decent standard of living? If those urban areas don’t want to lose those tax paying citizens then they should start to address some of the reasons they are leaving. It’s unrealistic to expect them to continue to pay taxes for the level of service they receive.
You said California cites are "...overrun, filthy, and violent." Which cities and provide non-opinion links to support this claim. As for taxes, I'd rather live in a "high tax" state like California that can provide services than a Third World state like Mississippi, Alabama, or South Carolina.
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Number6 wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:38 pm You said California cites are "...overrun, filthy, and violent." Which cities and provide non-opinion links to support this claim. As for taxes, I'd rather live in a "high tax" state like California that can provide services than a Third World state like Mississippi, Alabama, or South Carolina.
Whether one considers a city overrun filthy and violent is a judgement or an opinion. So I don’t know that you can find links that aren’t someone’s opinion in one way or another. People move from place to place for a number of reasons. I prefaced my OPINION with the words “ I think “. It’s an opinion.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:58 pm Whether one considers a city overrun filthy and violent is a judgement or an opinion. So I don’t know that you can find links that aren’t someone’s opinion in one way or another. People move from place to place for a number of reasons. I prefaced my OPINION with the words “ I think “. It’s an opinion.
You made the claim as a fact and now you're claiming it's just a "judgement or an opinion."

And you're claim that you prefaced it with "I think" isn't true. Here's what you said in the first two lines of the pose: "I don’t know that people are moving to evade taxes. I think it is more of a value proposition." When you said "I think" in the second line you were referring to "people are moving to avoid taxes" and not and opinion on California cities. You're statement on California cities was a standalone comment totally void of any facts.
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Number6 wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 3:13 pm You made the claim as a fact and now you're claiming it's just a "judgement or an opinion."

And you're claim that you prefaced it with "I think" isn't true. Here's what you said in the first two lines of the pose: "I don’t know that people are moving to evade taxes. I think it is more of a value proposition." When you said "I think" in the second line you were referring to "people are moving to avoid taxes" and not and opinion on California cities. You're statement on California cities was a standalone comment totally void of any facts.
I don’t think I said my opinion was a fact. I don’t take anything you say as fact unless you make the claim. It’s a discussion board. Discussions are typically full of peoples opinions. If my statement was void of any facts as you claim, why and how did you take it as a statement of fact?
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Number6 wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:38 pm You said California cites are "...overrun, filthy, and violent." Which cities and provide non-opinion links to support this claim. As for taxes, I'd rather live in a "high tax" state like California that can provide services than a Third World state like Mississippi, Alabama, or South Carolina.
I ve shown you on more than one occasion how average families are far better off in Mississippi than in California.
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gounion wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:47 am "Business friendly" is a canard. The most "business friendly" state is New York, which is the business capital of the nation, and one of the biggest of the world. Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh made their fortunes in New York. Well, Trump scammed his fortune, but still, you want to get rich, New York is the best place to do so.

I notice that the most important thing to you is money. Your life and everything you say revolves around it. It's your singular focus. Nothing matter more to you. It's the only thing you talk about.

Taxes are our society bill, and they are required to have a modern society. While Tennessee doesn't have an income tax, it does have a very high sales tax. I pay 9.75 percent on everything I buy, including food.

Kansas, a red state where then Governor Brownback cut out taxes all on business, has one of the highest taxes on vehicles in the nation, along with income tax AND a high sales tax. Even a cheap used car would cost you hundreds of dollars a year in property taxes.

So anyone who focuses on state income taxes is a fool. Wow, that would be you!

Why don't you tell me how to run a modern society without taxes, since you hate them so much. If a state doesn't have an income tax, they have to raise money somehow. One of the funniest things I've seen, as a traveler, is how these "business friendly" states have huge jacked-up taxes on travel, such as hotel and tourism. It's pretty easy to gouge travelers on taxes when they don't vote in that locale. They might quote you a hundred dollars a night for the room rate, and it's a hundred fifty when they get done with you.

Taxes are high in Maryland, but I didn't mind - you get a lot for it. But, since a lot of people live there, housing is expensive, and having grown up in Kansas, I do prefer suburban living to the big city. My wife has health issues, and freeways make her nervous. We looked at many states, Colorado and Oregon were high on our list. I planned to go to college, though I haven't yet because of COVID, so I wanted a school that wasn't too big but had sports that I could go see and enjoy. At the school here, as a retiree I can audit class for a grand total of $25 a semester. I have a short drive to one of the coolest cities in America, Nashville, but I've got the small-town feel.

The biggest think I hated about it is moving back to tornado country. Bad storms are exceedingly rare in Maryland, and I loved that.

Of course, the government here is doing everything it can to ruin this state, starting with the schools. But, unlike you, Joe, I'm no armchair activist. I get involved. That's one thing retirees have - time to volunteer.

But I know you hold such things as volunteering in contempt, because you think the only respectable thing to use time for is for making money.
You keep bringing up what happened in Kansas which was simply a blip on the radar.
On it's worse day Kansas was still better off than California and not far behind New York.
Today Kansas is far better off than either. As for New York being a business friendly state that is hilarious
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:25 pm You keep bringing up what happened in Kansas which was simply a blip on the radar.
On it's worse day Kansas was still better off than California and not far behind New York.
Today Kansas is far better off than either. As for New York being a business friendly state that is hilarious
Try living in Kansas before you say that.

And Mew York is the business center of our nation. Period.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:30 pm I don’t know that people are moving to evade taxes. I think it is more of a value proposition. California is projecting surpluses in the billions of dollars. Yet their cities are overrun, filthy and violent. What are the taxpayers getting for their money? Who wants to pay those kinds of taxes and have to step over and around shit on the sidewalks? So yeah, if I can get a better job or if I can work remotely, why not work in a state that doesn’t tax the hell out of its citizens and offers a decent standard of living? If those urban areas don’t want to lose those tax paying citizens then they should start to address some of the reasons they are leaving. It’s unrealistic to expect them to continue to pay taxes for the level of service they receive.
This is irrelevant. Everyone knows LA is a shithole, but California isn't. Nor is it run by reactionary white guys who ban masks and discourage vaccines, and let a bunch of trumpers parade around in body armor waving automatic rifles. Yes, people are dissatisfied with high taxes and shitty service, and that's a big factor, but not big enough to chuck everything and live somewhere where they shoot holes in your fence. I'll stay where I can go to the store with a mask on during covid spikes and not be coughed all over by rabid anti-vaxxers.
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ZoWie wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:39 pm This is irrelevant. Everyone knows LA is a shithole, but California isn't. Nor is it run by reactionary white guys who ban masks and discourage vaccines, and let a bunch of trumpers parade around in body armor waving automatic rifles. Yes, people are dissatisfied with high taxes and shitty service, and that's a big factor, but not big enough to chuck everything and live somewhere where they shoot holes in your fence. I'll stay where I can go to the store with a mask on during covid spikes and not be coughed all over by rabid anti-vaxxers.
I guess we are all entitled to our misconceptions. Meanwhile I need to go outside and check my fence. Personally, I like living somewhere where people decide for themselves whether or not to wear masks or whether or not to get vaccinated. Speaking of reactionary white guys. I guess where you choose to live sometimes depends on how you want to live your life.
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Libertas wrote: Wed Mar 16, 2022 9:38 pm All about taxes and personal greed, nothing new to see here.
All they care about is munny, the pursuit of munny, and the acquisition of things.

People are just more things, to these conservative psychos.
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:14 pm I like living somewhere where people decide for themselves whether or not to wear masks or whether or not …
You’re just another disease-spreading colonizer.
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Yes, I prefer the company of rational people, so I'll just keep paying those high taxes. Actually my favorite place is still Manhattan, so probably I'm not the best one to be having this discussion. For me, nothing on this planet beats Manhattan in October.
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I didn't choose to come to FL. I was born here.

No, I don't like the gun laws. We can argue about the public health mandates, but they are ending just about everywhere. I live in the part where I enjoy the diversity of the people. The governor is an asshat whose priorities seem now to be more about higher office than Floridians. He talks a lot about less government but meanwhile stomps all over local government in this state. No I am not a fan, but you knew that.

I remember when it was different. Heck, we used to have Democratic governors. I met Lawton Chiles. I still like the natural beauty of the place, but if you've ever seen the movie Sunshine State - I love it, BTW - it shows why so much of it is threatened.

One reason I stayed was family members, but now they're pretty much all dead. My brothers live elsewhere, but frankly if I move, it won't probably be to where they are, either. (Nah, it's not strictly because of them.)
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JoeMemphis wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:14 pm I guess we are all entitled to our misconceptions. Meanwhile I need to go outside and check my fence. Personally, I like living somewhere where people decide for themselves whether or not to wear masks or whether or not to get vaccinated. Speaking of reactionary white guys. I guess where you choose to live sometimes depends on how you want to live your life.
I guess you also want to live where books are banned, and gay and trans people are hounded and legislated against. States where the parents of trans children are investigated for child abuse. The America YOU want. To me, that's not freedom. I would flee the red states if I had trans family to protect.

I bet I've been to California a lot more than you. It's also a very beautiful state. Both San Francisco and San Diego are among the most beautiful cities in the world. New York is also a beautiful city. I also found DC to be a wonderful place.

I'm glad I don't have your view of how important - or rather, unimportant - human life is.
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ProfX wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:58 am I didn't choose to come to FL. I was born here.

No, I don't like the gun laws. We can argue about the public health mandates, but they are ending just about everywhere. I live in the part where I enjoy the diversity of the people. The governor is an asshat whose priorities seem now to be more about higher office than Floridians. He talks a lot about less government but meanwhile stomps all over local government in this state. No I am not a fan, but you knew that.

I remember when it was different. Heck, we used to have Democratic governors. I met Lawton Chiles. I still like the natural beauty of the place, but if you've ever seen the movie Sunshine State - I love it, BTW - it shows why so much of it is threatened.

One reason I stayed was family members, but now they're pretty much all dead. My brothers live elsewhere, but frankly if I move, it won't probably be to where they are, either. (Nah, it's not strictly because of them.)
I like Florida so far. Except maybe the Traffic from time to time. The people are friendly. There’s always something going on. The weather right now is nice. I know it gets hot in the summer but so does Memphis. Baseball spring training has started along with March madness and golf. What’s not to like? We are still working from home but you wake up everyday and look out the window at sunshine and palm trees. I haven’t gotten used to that yet. Plus we have dogs and people really like their dogs down here. We take ours everywhere. It’s a very dog friendly place.
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