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I saw this on MSN and while I agree with almost all of the movies on the list I disagree with Field of Dreams. Which movies, in your opinion, are overrated? Here's the link to the article/slideshow of the overrated movies.

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My list starts with The Godfather. I saw it when it was first released and I found it long and boring and eventually left before it was over. Many people think this is a great or perfect movie but I just never saw what was great about it. Of course, that's just my opinion. While critics and film goers found The Postman to be boring I found it an interesting story.

Maybe I'll give The Godfather another try to see if my initial impression of it was right or wrong.

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I can't agree on Citizen Kane. See the restored print. It's a film noir. It grabs you.

It has just enough social relevance to earn its legendary status. It's a representation of capitalism, after all, and especially that system's utter soullessness. The protagonist is so close to William Randolph Hearst that Hearst tried to suppress the film. And, of course, the tech credits are virtuosic. They show the old studio system's potential for truly awesome film making that stands up today, using equipment that we would regard as grotesque junk.

About the only thing wrong with it is that the story premise is a one-liner.

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I'm glad someone agrees on Ferris Bueller. It's heretical for me to say so, but I always considered it to be a truly repellent movie, made to separate repellent people from their parents' money. It was the peak of the studios' infatuation with teenage audiences, which fortunately became only temporary when multiplex mall theaters started attracting a wider audience away from TV.

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The only reason Annie Hall isn't Woody Allen's best is because Manhattan was better. Both are masterpieces. It, too, represents an era, and it also shows that New York can be as vibrant as "Hollywood" for the cinematic craft.

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I can't agree on Citizen Kane. See the restored print. It's a film noir. It grabs you.

It has just enough social relevance to earn its legendary status. It's a representation of capitalism, after all, and especially that system's utter soullessness. The protagonist is so close to William Randolph Hearst that Hearst tried to suppress the film. And, of course, the tech credits are virtuosic. They show the old studio system's potential for truly awesome film making that stands up today, using equipment that we would regard as grotesque junk.

About the only thing wrong with it is that the story premise is a one-liner.

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I'm glad someone agrees on Ferris Bueller. It's heretical for me to say so, but I always considered it to be a truly repellent movie, made to separate repellent people from their parents' money. It was the peak of the studios' infatuation with teenage audiences, which fortunately became only temporary when multiplex mall theaters started attracting a wider audience away from TV.

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The only reason Annie Hall isn't Woody Allen's best is because Manhattan was better. Both are masterpieces. It, too, represents an era, and it also shows that New York can be as vibrant as "Hollywood" for the cinematic craft.

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For me, Ferris Bueller isn't a great movie but more of a fun movie. Some parts of it are funny but overall it's just an average movie. The parade scene is probably the best part of the film.

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The more times I see Avatar the more I think it isn’t very good. I appreciate a good ecological-political-sociological screed as much as the next person but the acting was wooden, particularly the “hero”, the antagonists were caricatures, the natives were stereotypes and the dialogue wasn’t very good. Nice special effects but that really was about it.

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Dancing with Wolves. Yuck, fake, woo woo.

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I you want to see something real, learn something which is hard to accept, and be moved all at the same time watch Medicine River (1993) with Graham Greene.

It might be hard to find though, I couldn't find a trailer for it at YouTube.

The author of Medicine River is Thomas King, this five minute video at this link is also by him. I’m Not the Indian You Had in Mind. It touches on what the full movie Medicine River drives home:

https://www.nsi-canada.ca/2012/03/im-no ... d-in-mind/


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South Dakota Lakota don't exactly love Costner. Shortly after filming Dances, he opened his own casino in Deadwood, Midnight Star, which competed against the other Native casinos in the state. I found in general they neither liked him nor the film very much. A very typical Hollywood "going native"/"white savior" film. Much like Avatar ...

His casino just finally closed about 2 years ago.
https://www.casino.org/news/kevin-costn ... r-26-years

Avatar was just kind of silly in the way they named the mineral the Earth folks were after on their planet. "Unobtainium". Yep, perfect name :roll: . BTW, looks like it will get a sequel.

I have to say I found Alien: Covenant very underwhelming. It was not the sequel I was expecting. There were many questions and mysteries raised by Prometheus which the sequel just kind of dropped and ignored. We never really learn more about the Engineers or their motivations or what happened to the ones in the first film. At the start of the film, Shaw is dead, and so are all the Engineers on the 2nd planet of the 2nd film (though David did not wipe out the entire race, at least apparently). The colonists are more idiotic than teenagers in a Friday the 13th film in the way they all get killed. David ends up being the creator of the Xenomorphs, which is interesting thematically (creation/creator) ... Fassbender, always the hidden villain ... anyway, hoping for a better next film, if there is one.

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Dancing with Wolves. Yuck, fake, woo woo.

:(

I you want to see something real, learn something which is hard to accept, and be moved all at the same time watch Medicine River (1993) with Graham Greene.

It might be hard to find though, I couldn't find a trailer for it at YouTube.

The author of Medicine River is Thomas King, this five minute video at this link is also by him. I’m Not the Indian You Had in Mind. It touches on what the full movie Medicine River drives home:

https://www.nsi-canada.ca/2012/03/im-no ... d-in-mind/

I really enjoyed both the movie, and the book it was based on.

Thomas King has a great writing ability, both in fiction and non-fiction.

That reminds me, I have The Inconvenient Indian: a curious account of native people in North America and I haven't gotten around to reading it yet.

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I like how the Canadian government supports its industry up there. Of course, if they didn't, there wouldn't be one. Even so, it's kind of the prototype for how a country can make relevant products that illuminate their various cultures while also attracting an audience. Nice job.

"Academy of the Overrated" is a line from one of this writer's overrated movies, Manhattan. Throwaways like that are among the reasons that the attention to detail in Manhattan is really what makes it timeless. Some people hated it because all they do is talk, nobody gets killed, and it spends an inordinate amount of time celebrating the look and feel of uptown Manhattan. The reason it never got old for me is because all they do is talk, nobody gets killed, and it spends an inordinate amount of time celebrating the look and feel of uptown Manhattan.

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The more times I see Avatar the more I think it isn’t very good. I appreciate a good ecological-political-sociological screed as much as the next person but the acting was wooden, particularly the “hero”, the antagonists were caricatures, the natives were stereotypes and the dialogue wasn’t very good. Nice special effects but that really was about it.


I don't know if Avatar is a "superhero" film, but I find myself dozing off at any of these visually stunning, heroic quest, fantasy films, including the "graphic novel" (graphic novel??? really???) comic book re-do films. I couldn't even get through any of the Lord of the Rings films. ZZZZZzzzz... I really hoped that Black Panther would do it for me after all the stellar reviews, but...meh.

Still waiting for one of these to actually grab me. The whole genre is over-rated. Keanu Reeves dodging bullets at lightning speed. Oh come on...really? Give me some real grimy bad guys like Dr. Lecter. Although I did like Roy Batty's skin-job bad guy, but that's Phillip K. Dick, not some comic book cartoonist.

Additional real bad guys...
Tommy DeVito
Hans Landa
Bill the Butcher
Amon Göth (the only real person in my list)
Nurse Ratched
Anton Chigurh
Alex Forrest
John Doe (maybe too obscure, the really bad guy in Se7en)
Max Cady (DeNiro version)
Little Bill
Amy Dunne (the most gorjus ruthless killer of them all)
Hans Gruber
Don Logan (yikes)
Annie Wilkes
Noah Cross
Brady Hartsfield (OK TV series, not a movie, but holy christ)
Norman Bates
Gaear Grimsrud
Frank Booth (When Frank lured Jeffrey Beaumont into the car I was so overwhelmed that I actually yelled out right there in the theater, "Oh no! Don't go in the fucking car!!!)

These are some people that you really want to see get what's coming to them. I didn't give a shit what happened to Killmonger.

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I don't know if Avatar is a "superhero" film, but I find myself dozing off at any of these visually stunning, heroic quest, fantasy films, including the "graphic novel" (graphic novel??? really???) comic book re-do films. I couldn't even get through any of the Lord of the Rings films. ZZZZZzzzz... I really hoped that Black Panther would do it for me after all the stellar reviews, but...meh.


Taste is very individual. I really don't see any particular need to try and convince somebody to like what I like ... so just as we don't share the same love in music ... I like all the LotR films, but the only one I often find compelling to re-watch is Return of the King. Of course, it's the conclusion of a long saga. Now I don't even remember if I read all the novels ... I think my brother had them, and I read parts of all of them ... READING them is indeed a long slog, it can take 30 pages for Tom Bombadil to take a few steps. Now, the Hobbit ... could have easily been done in one film, at best should have been split into two, the only reason they chopped it into three films was marketing nonsense.

I thought Avatar was interesting, but derivative. It's basically a very long-standing trope redone in sci-fi form ... the left behind white savor. Except in this case the blue cat-people are the Indians, and Jake the Marine is the guy who dances with wolves, except he lives among them by transferring his consciousness into a blue cat-body. Usual stuff ... sent to study them, goes native, falls in love, turns against his own people, and of course he is the one to lead them in driving his own people off-planet. With a little help from the planet's Gaian mind. I'm not one of the people who says the film was "GOAT". It was good.

99% of comic books are not graphic novels. You either appreciate what certain artists tried to do with the genre, or don't. All I can say if you ever do get around reading Alan Moore's Watchmen, you'll realize one thing ... it's definitely not for children. I personally think Lindelof has brought its aesthetic to the TV series. Alan Moore, of course, refuses to have anything to do with what anybody's done with his work, including the 2009 Snyder film adaptation.

BTW, just as an aside, I also like the Japanese anime genre (the print form is called manga), and all I can say is while some anime is aimed at children (Pokemon etc.), there are also definitely things in the genre that are NOT aimed at them ... like Ghost in the Machine, etc.

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Although I did like Roy Batty's skin-job bad guy, but that's Phillip K. Dick, not some comic book cartoonist.


I did like the Blade Runner 2049 sequel, it seems like a sequel that PKD could have written, but never did.

I liked the Man in the High Castle TV series, but Amazon dragged that way out past the novel and the sequel PKD started to write but never finished.

I hope somebody someday will try and tackle VALIS and make it into the film it really should be. Of course, the story is weirdly autobiographical, or at least PKD claimed so (re "2-3-74"), but I digress. Todd Machover did in opera of it of all things ... but sheesh. Opera? There was a straight-to-DVD film adaptation of Radio Free Albemuth which is KINDA the same story :D ... but sigh, I think my high school AV club did stuff with higher production budgets ... it was terrible.

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I generally don't go all into a deep and complicated evaluation of the derivation of film or of any art. Which I believe movie making is...an art. Art moves me or it doesn't.

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I agree with some of the movies on their list such as Field of Dreams, Moulon Rouge, and Twilight. Never saw many of them but loved Sixth Sense and Black Panther.

Lord of the Rings was a snooze fest and I never saw the sequels, and that goes for Harry Potter. Saw the first and not the rest.

Another critically acclaimed film that I didn't like was The Year of Living Dangerously. It was boring and not that dangerous. Chariots of Fire was another one that I couldn't see the attraction. It was artsy but not much substance. The French Connection was confusing. Remove the car chase and it was boring af.


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I like how the Canadian government supports its industry up there. Of course, if they didn't, there wouldn't be one. Even so, it's kind of the prototype for how a country can make relevant products that illuminate their various cultures while also attracting an audience. Nice job.

"Academy of the Overrated" is a line from one of this writer's overrated movies, Manhattan. Throwaways like that are among the reasons that the attention to detail in Manhattan is really what makes it timeless. Some people hated it because all they do is talk, nobody gets killed, and it spends an inordinate amount of time celebrating the look and feel of uptown Manhattan. The reason it never got old for me is because all they do is talk, nobody gets killed, and it spends an inordinate amount of time celebrating the look and feel of uptown Manhattan.

Big fan of Brent Butt and his shows like Corner Gas and also a fan of "Little Mosque On The Prairie" boy do we need that show here now!

Because Brent and cast arent big Hollywood types of that level famous, they respond to me on Twitter and I get a kick out of that.

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Dancing with Wolves. Yuck, fake, woo woo.

:(

I you want to see something real, learn something which is hard to accept, and be moved all at the same time watch Medicine River (1993) with Graham Greene.

It might be hard to find though, I couldn't find a trailer for it at YouTube.

The author of Medicine River is Thomas King, this five minute video at this link is also by him. I’m Not the Indian You Had in Mind. It touches on what the full movie Medicine River drives home:

https://www.nsi-canada.ca/2012/03/im-no ... d-in-mind/


I use this to find hard to find



https://reelgood.com/


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And you would be correct, cant find it anywhere. When all else fails sometimes I go to

Amazon Canada, and you can get a VHS of it for only

https://www.amazon.ca/Medicine-River-Gr ... dvd&sr=1-1

$300

WAIT

for $28 a VHS on regular Amazon..

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I don't know if Avatar is a "superhero" film, but I find myself dozing off at any of these visually stunning, heroic quest, fantasy films, including the "graphic novel" (graphic novel??? really???) comic book re-do films. I couldn't even get through any of the Lord of the Rings films. ZZZZZzzzz... I really hoped that Black Panther would do it for me after all the stellar reviews, but...meh.

Still waiting for one of these to actually grab me. The whole genre is over-rated. Keanu Reeves dodging bullets at lightning speed. Oh come on...really? Give me some real grimy bad guys like Dr. Lecter. Although I did like Roy Batty's skin-job bad guy, but that's Phillip K. Dick, not some comic book cartoonist.

Additional real bad guys...
Tommy DeVito
Hans Landa
Bill the Butcher
Amon Göth (the only real person in my list)
Nurse Ratched
Anton Chigurh
Alex Forrest
John Doe (maybe too obscure, the really bad guy in Se7en)
Max Cady (DeNiro version)
Little Bill
Amy Dunne (the most gorjus ruthless killer of them all)
Hans Gruber
Don Logan (yikes)
Annie Wilkes
Noah Cross
Brady Hartsfield (OK TV series, not a movie, but holy christ)
Norman Bates
Gaear Grimsrud
Frank Booth (When Frank lured Jeffrey Beaumont into the car I was so overwhelmed that I actually yelled out right there in the theater, "Oh no! Don't go in the fucking car!!!)

These are some people that you really want to see get what's coming to them. I didn't give a shit what happened to Killmonger.

I grew up on Marvel Comics. Didn’t care much for DC. Superman et al always seemed wooden. Marvel characters seemed more real. They had lives which were a mess like normal people.

As for superhero movies of late, Sony completely screwed up Fantastic Four. We have all of the Marvel Studios movies. I enjoyed Thor: Ragnarok for its just goofy humor. Yes, some was forced but overall for an action hero movie it was funny.

It all comes down to personal taste, I guess.

Speaking of that, Scorsese and Coppola’s whining about superhero movies is nonsense. I don’t think Marvel ever intended them to be more than just a good time. Sometimes brain candy is good.

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I don't get Scorsese's take on comic book films since he was the original producer of Joker. I heard he backed out because of another commitment.


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New Quentin Tarantino movie is overrated. Parts are good but long periods of time where basically nothing happens.

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New Quentin Tarantino movie is overrated. Parts are good but long periods of time where basically nothing happens.


Want to watch a movie where nothing happens take a look at "My Dinner With Andre". Nothing happens ever.

It has a 91% "fresh" rating on rotten tomatoes, and was a number of critics "best" lists it was the best American film of 1982.

It's just these two guys chatting over dinner. Played by Andre Gregory as Andre and Wallace Shawn as Wally...the guy who plays Sheldon's professorial mentor Dr. John Sturges on "Young Sheldon."

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Look, he has one valid point. Studios will not green light a lot of independent or art films, and thus tend to release a lot more "safe"/"big ticket" popcorn blockbuster flicks. If it's not superheroes and comic books, it's Godzilla rampaging across the screen. Or gigantic alien invasions getting shot down by Will Smith.

... this is why a lot of the independent studios and distributors and art house cinemas exist.

We shouldn't be complaining that the Marvel movies exist ... just that there isn't space for telling other stories with less noise and explosions, and more real-life human drama. I happen to be the kind of person who can enjoy both kinds of films ... for what they are.

Birdman was kind of about all that, and I really liked that film.

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I generally don't go all into a deep and complicated evaluation of the derivation of film or of any art. Which I believe movie making is...an art. Art moves me or it doesn't.

Yeah, I don't normally go deep into the movies but for me movies are escapist entertainment. I can suspend belief that movie characters can perform incredible acts of strength and I can simply sit back and enjoy the movie.

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Birdman left me cold.

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What I hate is when they make too many sequels to a movie. I've enjoyed, and still do, the first three Tremors movies but they ruined the franchise with the next thee.

Okay, I know the movies about giant worms coming out of the ground to eat people is far from believable but like I said I enjoy the escapism entertainment.

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Look, he has one valid point. Studios will not green light a lot of independent or art films, and thus tend to release a lot more "safe"/"big ticket" popcorn blockbuster flicks. If it's not superheroes and comic books, it's Godzilla rampaging across the screen. Or gigantic alien invasions getting shot down by Will Smith.


These also do well overseas, where much of the money is.

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