Just a "riot?" No planning or coordination?

[carmenjonze]

True, and if W did hold a presser and called out trmp and maga it could make a difference as to how the media and other cons talk about it, but he wont.

He won't, because he's a part of it. Like the Cheneys are a part of it. Like Graham and Cruz and the rest of these people are a part of it, even though they appear to be at each others' throats in this news cycle.

#ucker Carlson is attacking Ted Cruz today, but all of these people, Glennfs, Bari Weiss, Carlson, Bush, Dick and Liz, Scammity, Alex Jones, Candace Owens and her WN mentor Dennis Prager...all these a-holes care about is benefitting from white supremacism.

All of them are contributing to these conditions. All of them.

[carmenjonze]

If anyone wonders what a white-aspriant court jester capitulating to a WN on national television looks like, check out Ted Cruz getting pistol whipped by Tucker Carlson.

Acyn
@Acyn

Tucker: You called this a terror attack.. That’s a lie. You told that lie on purpose. I’m wondering why you did
Cruz: The way I phrased things yesterday, it was sloppy and frankly it was dumb
Tucker: I don’t buy that. Woah woah woah! I don’t buy that

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1479264723740684288

[Libertas]

If anyone wonders what a white-aspriant court jester capitulating to a WN on national television looks like, check out Ted Cruz getting pistol whipped by Tucker Carlson.

Acyn
@Acyn

Tucker: You called this a terror attack.. That’s a lie. You told that lie on purpose. I’m wondering why you did
Cruz: The way I phrased things yesterday, it was sloppy and frankly it was dumb
Tucker: I don’t buy that. Woah woah woah! I don’t buy that

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1479264723740684288

Cruz and Fucker aren't fit to clean toilets in Grand Central Station nor are they fit to be in a position to have an impact on anything other than their own miserable lives. That is a fact. Yet those two are worshipped by PEOPLE ON THIS BOARD, let alone out there!

We are so broken. Half the country acting like children. Refusing to grow up.

[marindem01]

You Are Either A Patriot, Or Your Are A Republican.

[Libertas]

Yep, the experts are saying if something big doesnt happen, if voting rights isnt passed, if someone doesnt do something to JOLT the American people into doing something...well, you know.

I believe in round numbers approximately 25% of the adult population are going to support anything the GOP does or trump does, I believe another 35% of the adult population are decent patriots i.e. democrats and independents who will do the right thing and I believe the rest have no clue what is going on or how bad things are and that they must vote and most of that 45% wont vote.

And in red states it no longer matters who wins elections...they will not certify any election they lose.

Presidential Historian Doris Goodwin is on Rachel and she seems to have about as much hope as I do.

[marindem01]

Yep, the experts are saying if something big doesnt happen, if voting rights isnt passed, if someone doesnt do something to JOLT the American people into doing something...well, you know.

I believe in round numbers approximately 25% of the adult population are going to support anything the GOP does or trump does, I believe another 35% of the adult population are decent patriots i.e. democrats and independents who will do the right thing and I believe the rest have no clue what is going on or how bad things are and that they must vote and most of that 45% wont vote.

And in red states it no longer matters who wins elections...they will not certify any election they lose.

+++++

[Libertas]

+++++

Thanks..you know what the JOLT could be?

How about Adam Schiff or Ted Lieu or Eric Swalwell or Katie Porter (obviously Schumer would make the biggest news but I dont think he is capable of this) does an interview and works him or herself up into a lather (rehearsed, well prepared) and accidentally lets the "F" word fly in a statement along the lines of "If the American people dont wake the FUCK up and demand trump accept his loss and demand voting rights etc"

Something like that, someone has to make news, headlines somehow. And soon.

I tweeted this to them and sent a pm to my rep...I wish more people would tell them this.

[Libertas]

Liz Cheney lights trump up on fox


https://www.thedailybeast.com/liz-chene ... bret-baier

Also I just watched Doris Kearns Goodwin and I finally heard someone say what I have talked about a lot, when one entire political party no longer is willing to accept that they lost, your system of govt is done.

[carmenjonze]

Adam Serwer
@AdamSerwer

The Confederates cast themselves as the defenders of the Constitution. The Redeemers said they were protecting the South from “Negro tyranny.” The architects of Jim Crow maintained they were protecting the integrity of elections. This is common, easily accessible knowledge.

https://twitter.com/AdamSerwer/status/1 ... 3449922570
__________

I've posted extensively about this on RFL.

[carmenjonze]

Had it been a planned insurrection then once they breached the capital everyone would have had an assignment and there would have been a chain of command onsite.

It was a political rally that morphed into a riot. Now if you want to say the participants were invited I would be likely to agree.

This country still has a dire white supremacism problem that is currently threatening our way of life. Jan. 6th is a violent culmination of 60 years of white-conservative anti-minority activism.

This is your community. What are you doing to stop it?

[Libertas]

Gotta love these cons


https://politicalwire.com/2022/01/08/go ... on-nazism/

GOP Lawmaker Said Teachers Must Be Neutral on Nazism

[Glennfs]

This country still has a dire white supremacism problem that is currently threatening our way of life. Jan. 6th is a violent culmination of 60 years of white-conservative anti-minority activism.

This is your community. What are you doing to stop it?

Your opinion on race relations has nothing to do with the title of this thread or my factual comments about the riot.
Again if a person wanted to argue that the rioters were incited by trump and the incitement was more planned that would be a plausible argument.
Those who believe the democratic party lie that it was a planned insurrection and that our democracy ie our country was in peril are just blind partisans.
Who will believe anything their government taskmaster tell them.

[ProfX]

I have no government taskmasters. (Of course, like everybody else, I have to follow laws, sometimes whether I agree with them or not.)

I follow empirical evidence. You ought to try it.

[gounion]

Your opinion on race relations has nothing to do with the title of this thread or my factual comments about the riot.
Again if a person wanted to argue that the rioters were incited by trump and the incitement was more planned that would be a plausible argument.
Those who believe the democratic party lie that it was a planned insurrection and that our democracy ie our country was in peril are just blind partisans.
Who will believe anything their government taskmaster tell them.

And you will believe what Donald Trump tells you.

[carmenjonze]

This country has an incredibly destructive white supremacism problem that was on full display to the world on Jan. 6th.

You are a part of it, and it distorts your perceptions.

[carmenjonze]

And you will believe what Donald Trump tells you.

I have no government taskmasters. (Of course, like everybody else, I have to follow laws, sometimes whether I agree with them or not.)

I follow empirical evidence. You ought to try it.

"Government dependence" is a really old racist trope he gets from the Reconstruction era and White Citizens Council propaganda.

These white cons still repeat this trash in 2022 because they still believe in it.

[marindem01]

Glenn continues to support and defend the Traitor and the Fascist Republican Party.

[ProfX]

So, the thing is, one can choose to agree or not if Nancy Pelosi says democracy in danger. I get it. She's a partisan politician. She needs to get her base out to vote. I get all that.

If Doris Kearns Goodwin says the same thing, or other notable historians or scholars who are neither politicians or partisans, say so, and that autocracy and authoritarianism are growing in this country (and Trump is not as much cause but symptom), I happen to pay attention. They should be taken seriously.

[marindem01]

When John Meecham and Doris Kerrns-Goodwin Democracy is danger, I believe. Meecham's book on Andrew Jackson was great and any books by Ms. Kearn-Goodwin is a must read.

[Drak]

So, the thing is, one can choose to agree or not if Nancy Pelosi says democracy in danger. I get it. She's a partisan politician. She needs to get her base out to vote. I get all that.

If Doris Kearns Goodwin says the same thing, or other notable historians or scholars who are neither politicians or partisans, say so, and that autocracy and authoritarianism are growing in this country (and Trump is not as much cause but symptom), I happen to pay attention. They should be taken seriously.

Yes.Historians and scholars have been sounding the alarm.

The GOP has also stated this straight up. They didn’t plan on leaving the WH after they lost it. They said so. Trump said so. Pompeo, said so. The GOP House, said so. Events leading up to and on Jan 6, said so. They’re still saying so.

[Number6]

Your opinion on race relations has nothing to do with the title of this thread or my factual comments about the riot.
Again if a person wanted to argue that the rioters were incited by trump and the incitement was more planned that would be a plausible argument.
Those who believe the democratic party lie that it was a planned insurrection and that our democracy ie our country was in peril are just blind partisans.
Who will believe anything their government taskmaster tell them.

Trump called for his supporters to come to the Capitol for the "Save America" rally on Jan 6th claiming the election had been stolen.

Trump wanted Pence to overturn the election result by not certifying the Electoral Vote.

Trump told those supporters "If you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country any more."

Trump the crowd they, including him but he didn't, walk down Pennsylvania Ave to the Capitol.

When the crowd Trump had revved up reached the Capitol, all hell broke loose.

Sounds like coordination to me.

Now, you may believe the republican comic book version where Trump and the QAnon Shaman are superheros saving democracy but like comic book stories, it's not true.

[marindem01]

My wife had to go into Oakland today to pick some bulk grains. She was on 80-E heading towards University Avenue, when she saw a sign hanging from the overpass, "True Patriots STOP Coups".

True That.

[carmenjonze]

Conservatism is a junta.

[Glennfs]

Trump called for his supporters to come to the Capitol for the "Save America" rally on Jan 6th claiming the election had been stolen.

Trump wanted Pence to overturn the election result by not certifying the Electoral Vote.

Trump told those supporters "If you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country any more."

Trump the crowd they, including him but he didn't, walk down Pennsylvania Ave to the Capitol.

When the crowd Trump had revved up reached the Capitol, all hell broke loose.

Sounds like coordination to me.

Now, you may believe the republican comic book version where Trump and the QAnon Shaman are superheros saving democracy but like comic book stories, it's not true.

Sounds like inciting a riot.

[gounion]

Sounds like inciting a riot.

More like inciting a revolution.

It's funny how you say Trump wasn't trying to overturn an election and have a coup.