Best. Rose. Bowl. Ever.

[ZoWie]

I wasn't going to watch all of the Rose Bowl game, but wow. That's football the way it used to be, with college teams winning one for the old Gipper. It was a war. I don't know how many players got laid out. One is in the hospital for brain observation, another has a very messed up leg, and there were several others wounded besides them. The score was something ridiculous. If I remember it right, the game was tied 45-45 with something like 1:30 left. Ohio State then got the ball back, and pulled it out with the old last second field goal trick. Before that, Utah had scored their last TD with a reserve quarterback who had never thrown a pass in a game. He threw the one that got the ball into the end zone.

LA Times spun it this way. I don't have the story before me, you can always read it online. Here's how it goes, summarized the way I think about the LA football neurosis:

Oh-oh. Looks like mighty U$C has competition in its otherwise God-given restoration to perennial Rose Bowl winner and national champ. How dare those Utes encroach on OUR game.

You understand that U$C was supposed to be in the Rose Bowl every year when the good burghers of Pasadena invented the post-season bowl game to help their Tournament of Roses sell sunny warm SoCal real estate to snowbound Easterners every year. In the past generation or so, U$C went to the Rose Bowl about as often as Mexico City saw the aurora borealis, but when they bought, oops I mean employed, Oklahoma's coach that was all set to change.

Yes, the Old Rich Good White People Families of Pasadena were going to get their university back into their bowl game. The world would again be treated to the sheer grandeur of their second-string rich-white-kid university that ordains generations of Good Old Boys into LA's self-created version of the Establishment that the first Hunt Club settlers in The Crown Of The Valley ("Pasadena" translated) fled Indiana and Iowa to get away from. You understand that the Valley Hunt Club, whiter than the wash in those 1950s laundry commercials, still exists and still sort of runs the parade as a dominant faction in the Tournament of Roses Association.

U$C alumni were on the old rich white family version of a high after signing Oklahoma's coach for an obscene amount of money in a region that can't house its population or stop a 15-year-high number of shootings. Surely, now the SEC sun-drenched TV-anointed player factory would have to give it up and watch all the NFL trainees descend on U$C en masse, to restore the glory days when people of lesser social stature knew their stations in life.

After all, they'd dealt with uppity UCLA many times, legally and otherwise, and it had finally stuck, though at the price of dragging U$C down too. The Pac-8, which became the Pac-10 and then the Pac-12, was originally intended to be just good enough to put on a good show as U$C went to its God-given Rose Bowl every year, then every other year after the no-repeat rule, to show the rest of mankind their (preferably subservient) place in God's order of things. Unfortunately the Pac-12 was too good, and U$C was too bad, but they were all set to fix that, and now oops, along comes Utah as a powerhouse (by non-SEC/ non-guaranteed-weekly-TV standards).

The times are out of joint in downtown LA. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of self-righteous old-school assholes.

[ZoWie]

I watched the replay of the game, and it holds up. One of the best college football games ever played. A lot of people, great talents and dedicated pluggers alike, played their butts off. I wish all of the injured a speedy recovery and a return to the gridiron. You're all great players.

LA Times continues to dwell on irrelevance and stuff that's actually bad for the game. The U$C psychosis, winning at all costs, monopolizing all the high school standout players in the country and keeping those alumni bucks coming, is what ruined college football.

It needs a draft, but that would of course deprive athletes of their right to free choice of colleges, so it will never happen. College football will just go on as the bastard child of athletics and fund raising, separating alumni from their money, and spending quite a bit of the funds thus raised to buy more players with various shoddy half-legal tactics.

The LA Times lives in the 1920s, all rah-rah and players as trained seals programmed to entertain those who inherited wealth. Disgusting, but inevitable. It's one more reason LA is really a provincial little Midwestern town with a big city grafted on top of it. It certainly has a provincial little Midwestern newspaper.

[gounion]

I watched the replay of the game, and it holds up. One of the best college football games ever played. A lot of people, great talents and dedicated pluggers alike, played their butts off. I wish all of the injured a speedy recovery and a return to the gridiron. You're all great players.

LA Times continues to dwell on irrelevance and stuff that's actually bad for the game. The U$C psychosis, winning at all costs, monopolizing all the high school standout players in the country and keeping those alumni bucks coming, is what ruined college football.

It needs a draft, but that would of course deprive athletes of their right to free choice of colleges, so it will never happen. College football will just go on as the bastard child of athletics and fund raising, separating alumni from their money, and spending quite a bit of the funds thus raised to buy more players with various shoddy half-legal tactics.

The LA Times lives in the 1920s, all rah-rah and players as trained seals programmed to entertain those who inherited wealth. Disgusting, but inevitable. It's one more reason LA is really a provincial little Midwestern town with a big city grafted on top of it. It certainly has a provincial little Midwestern newspaper.

I do enjoy college sports, but they are corrupt through and through. Everyone gets rich but the players.

[Glennfs]

I watched the replay of the game, and it holds up. One of the best college football games ever played. A lot of people, great talents and dedicated pluggers alike, played their butts off. I wish all of the injured a speedy recovery and a return to the gridiron. You're all great players.

LA Times continues to dwell on irrelevance and stuff that's actually bad for the game. The U$C psychosis, winning at all costs, monopolizing all the high school standout players in the country and keeping those alumni bucks coming, is what ruined college football.

It needs a draft, but that would of course deprive athletes of their right to free choice of colleges, so it will never happen. College football will just go on as the bastard child of athletics and fund raising, separating alumni from their money, and spending quite a bit of the funds thus raised to buy more players with various shoddy half-legal tactics.

The LA Times lives in the 1920s, all rah-rah and players as trained seals programmed to entertain those who inherited wealth. Disgusting, but inevitable. It's one more reason LA is really a provincial little Midwestern town with a big city grafted on top of it. It certainly has a provincial little Midwestern newspaper.

That game is up there as one of the best games ever. You have to feel bad for CJ Stroud he missed the all time passing record by less than 5 yards

[Glennfs]

I do enjoy college sports, but they are corrupt through and through. Everyone gets rich but the players.

The players receive a free college education along with many perks which follow and help them through life

[gounion]

The players receive a free college education along with many perks which follow and help them through life

And the coaches and everyone else involved gets filthy rich. If the players get crippled, they lose their scholarship and are tossed aside. No nothing.

Hell, they don't even get health insurance.

But the coach does!

[Bludogdem]

“NCAA Student-Athlete Medical Insurance Legislation
NCAA legislation requires all institutions to certify that student-athletes have coverage for medical expenses incurred from athletically related injuries within the NCAA Catastrophic Injury Insurance Policy deductible. Assuming all institutions are in compliance with the regulation, the NCAA catastrophic program deductible will be covered by the student-athletes’ or parents’ personal insurance coverage, through a basic accident medical policy maintained by the institution, or through an institution’s formal self-insurance plan.

During NCAA championships, the NCAA provides supplemental insurance of up to $90,000 in medical expenses for student-athletes who are injured. Once that level is met, the NCAA Catastrophic Injury Insurance Policy activates.

NCAA Insurance Legislation FAQs
Membership Resources for Student-Athlete Insurance Certification
Legislation Reference

Division I: 3.2.4.9
Division II: 3.3.4.14
Division III: 3.2.4.8
Background Information

The NCAA insurance task force wanted to ensure that student-athletes would have adequate insurance to cover medical expenses from injuries sustained during participation in intercollegiate sports activities. The NCAA provides insurance excess of a significant deductible through the NCAA Catastrophic Injury Insurance Program, but previously there was not a consistent method or requirement to verify insurance for expenses within the catastrophic program deductible. This allowed a potential “gap” in insurance that could result in student-athletes incurring significant out-of-pocket expenses. The task force therefore proposed this legislation with the goal of eliminating the potential “gap” and ensuring that individuals covered by the NCAA catastrophic policy would not be exposed to potential uninsured expenses within the deductible. The legislation was voted on and overwhelmingly approved at the 2004 Convention by Divisions II and III. The legislation was approved by the Division I Management Council and Board of Directors at their April 2005 meetings.”

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/in ... egislation

“ In 2015, the NCAA Division I “Power 5” Schools implemented a rule that has the effect of “protecting” Division I student-athletes from having their athletic scholarship cancelled or not renewed for any athletics reason. Quite simply, a coach cannot take away a scholarship for poor athletic performance.

Here are several facts about this rule:
– This new rule was voted in by the universities of the “Power 5” conferences – the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, PAC-12, and SEC, as well as Notre Dame. This rule must be followed by these 65 universities.
– Other Division I schools and conferences can choose to follow this rule, but are not required to do so. So, an athlete receiving an athletic scholarship from a university that is NOT one of the 65 mentioned here might still receive a one-year scholarship which a coach can choose not to renew for the following academic year.


https://informedathlete.com/rick-allen- ... an-be-won/


So, power 5 conference teams are required to provide 4 year scholarships and a scholarship cannot be revoked for injury.

The top 20 or so power 5 conference programs are the only ones that show a net profit from all sanctioned college sports. All other college sports programs do not profit from sports.

[ZoWie]

Star players make out, but otherwise it's slave labor. The "education" is something of a joke. At UCLA, the players had to predict a 1.6 GPA. 1.6 would get anyone else thrown out of the place. It's a failing average.

During my brief foray into U$C, it was something of a joke how that year's star Trojan Hero would pull up his Ferrari in front of Heritage Hall. He certainly didn't buy that car with his own money. Every day the school would ticket it, and every day the alumni would pick up the tab.

Oh, and with very few exceptions, all these Trojan Heroes were African-American. Keep in mind that otherwise if people saw Blacks or Latinos who weren't known to be athletes near $C frat houses, the tendency was to call the cops.

When $C lost its ability to influence the NCAA brass, usually by using the old-boy network and getting them to pick on UCLA instead, its program declined. Then the players went to the well-televised NFL factories in the SEC instead. Then (horrors!) they actually put U$C on probation, not once but twice, at least. The latest go-round was after my time there, but part of the evidence included the parents of a ghetto kid who was a star player in high school suddenly moving to a very nice house in an expensive part of town. Turned out the alumni paid for it. A little recruiting incentive, that. Wonder if another Ferrari was already sitting in the garage.

Since then, of course, U$C has become Scandal U outside of athletics. It seems to be pervasive. The gynecologist molested female students, the head of the med school threw coke/sex parties on his boat, etc etc etc.

Getting back to big time college football, it's all about keeping the alumni donations coming. The joke goes that a professor winning a Nobel is good for publicity, but a football team winning games is what pays for the place.

[Bludogdem]

“NCAA Student-Athlete Medical Insurance Legislation
NCAA legislation requires all institutions to certify that student-athletes have coverage for medical expenses incurred from athletically related injuries within the NCAA Catastrophic Injury Insurance Policy deductible. Assuming all institutions are in compliance with the regulation, the NCAA catastrophic program deductible will be covered by the student-athletes’ or parents’ personal insurance coverage, through a basic accident medical policy maintained by the institution, or through an institution’s formal self-insurance plan.

During NCAA championships, the NCAA provides supplemental insurance of up to $90,000 in medical expenses for student-athletes who are injured. Once that level is met, the NCAA Catastrophic Injury Insurance Policy activates.

NCAA Insurance Legislation FAQs
Membership Resources for Student-Athlete Insurance Certification
Legislation Reference

Division I: 3.2.4.9
Division II: 3.3.4.14
Division III: 3.2.4.8
Background Information

The NCAA insurance task force wanted to ensure that student-athletes would have adequate insurance to cover medical expenses from injuries sustained during participation in intercollegiate sports activities. The NCAA provides insurance excess of a significant deductible through the NCAA Catastrophic Injury Insurance Program, but previously there was not a consistent method or requirement to verify insurance for expenses within the catastrophic program deductible. This allowed a potential “gap” in insurance that could result in student-athletes incurring significant out-of-pocket expenses. The task force therefore proposed this legislation with the goal of eliminating the potential “gap” and ensuring that individuals covered by the NCAA catastrophic policy would not be exposed to potential uninsured expenses within the deductible. The legislation was voted on and overwhelmingly approved at the 2004 Convention by Divisions II and III. The legislation was approved by the Division I Management Council and Board of Directors at their April 2005 meetings.”

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/in ... egislation

“ In 2015, the NCAA Division I “Power 5” Schools implemented a rule that has the effect of “protecting” Division I student-athletes from having their athletic scholarship cancelled or not renewed for any athletics reason. Quite simply, a coach cannot take away a scholarship for poor athletic performance.

Here are several facts about this rule:
– This new rule was voted in by the universities of the “Power 5” conferences – the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, PAC-12, and SEC, as well as Notre Dame. This rule must be followed by these 65 universities.
– Other Division I schools and conferences can choose to follow this rule, but are not required to do so. So, an athlete receiving an athletic scholarship from a university that is NOT one of the 65 mentioned here might still receive a one-year scholarship which a coach can choose not to renew for the following academic year.


https://informedathlete.com/rick-allen- ... an-be-won/


So, power 5 conference teams are required to provide 4 year scholarships and a scholarship cannot be revoked for injury.

The top 20 or so power 5 conference programs are the only ones that show a net profit from all sanctioned college sports. All other college sports programs do not profit from sports.

“ Survey: Most DI schools provide injury coverage
Results show few out-of-pocket expenses for DI student-athletes
May 25, 2016
Download the Student-Athelete Insurance Coverage Findings

A new survey conducted this spring indicates that a majority of Division I institutions provide insurance coverage to their student-athletes for athletically related injuries and that student-athletes at relatively few schools incur out-of-pocket injury costs.

The NCAA recently sent the survey, which asked about schools’ insurance coverage for student-athletes, to all head athletic trainers in Division I. With the help of conference offices, the survey received 232 responses, which account for 70 percent of all Division I institutions. The results have helped determine what coverage exists – and for how long – and what student-athletes and their families are paying for out of pocket. That data will inform future discussions about student-athlete insurance among members and could potentially steer policy changes.

“It is a fundamental responsibility of Division I institutions to care for student-athletes’ overall well-being,” said Jim Phillips, athletics director at Northwestern University and chair of the Division I Council.

NCAA bylaws require that student-athletes be covered by an insurance policy for athletically related injuries with coverage limits of at least $90,000 – at which point the NCAA catastrophic injury insurance program provides coverage. But they do not require that schools offer insurance. Policies can be provided either through the school, a parent or guardian’s policy, or a policy that student-athletes acquire themselves.

The survey findings, though, indicate that schools are doing much more than meeting the legislated minimum requirements. Eighty-four percent of Division I schools indicated that they pay all the costs of athletically related injuries even if a student does not have his or her own primary insurance. Of the 16 percent of schools that reported not fully covering the cost of athletically related injuries, student-athletes often incurred out-of-pocket expenses for prescriptions or when they sought a second opinion for an injury. And a vast majority of insurance programs for college athletes – 93 percent – are managed through athletics departments.

Only 6 percent of respondents indicated that their institutions require student-athletes to provide their own coverage, and 70 percent noted that they provide insurance for their athletes who do not have their own primary coverage.

“Medical concerns are very important issues in intercollegiate athletics, and we are pleased that our member institutions are taking such a proactive approach to covering student-athletes,” said Tom Douple, commissioner of The Summit League. Each of the conference’s nine schools took part in the survey.

Nearly half of survey respondents (44 percent) indicated that they do not provide coverage for illnesses, injuries or other medical costs not related to athletics. And while the NCAA’s catastrophic injury policy covers the lifetime cost of the most traumatic events, such as severe spinal cord injuries, 31 percent of schools cover costs incurred after students leave school or exhaust their eligibility if the costs were due to an athletics injury while they were student-athletes.

The catastrophic injury policy provides up to $20 million in lifetime benefits – medical expenses, monthly disability cash payments, funds to modify homes to accommodate wheelchairs, etc. – to student-athletes who become totally disabled while practicing or playing. However, athletes do not have to be permanently disabled to receive benefits from the policy; they simply need to meet the $90,000 deductible in the wake of any injury to become eligible. In those instances, the initial $90,000 would have been covered by a personal policy, one provided by the student-athlete’s school or the NCAA’s participant accident program, which covers costs for any injuries suffered during championship events.

While the survey indicated that Division I schools are doing a great deal to provide coverage for college athletes while they are in school, with additional security from the NCAA catastrophic policy and its substantial lifetime coverage for student-athletes with severe injuries, Phillips and others in Division I are committed to doing more for student-athletes.

“There is more work to be done in this regard, well beyond athletically related injuries, and finding the appropriate levels of care is a top priority,” Phillips said. “Graduation does not end the relationship with, nor responsibility to, our student-athletes. This topic, and other well-being issues, will be deliberated at the highest levels of college athletics as we work toward a better – and more appropriate – destination.”

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/me ... y-coverage

[gounion]

Lots of work to be done. The NCAA and the coaches and everyone involved in the game get richer than hell, and the athletes are used. Why should their parents have to buy their health insurance? The college should insure ALL players and provide catastrophic insurance if they are injured, what they have no isn't adequate. And the Supreme Court is involved:

But in recent years the debate over the employment status of players and whether college athletes should be paid has heated up. In June, the U.S. Supreme Court allowed payments to college athletes when they unanimously ruled that the NCAA's caps on education-related benefits violated antitrust law.

That decision is expected to result in future challenges on other restrictions, such as the ban on player wages. An apparent factor in the court's decision was the NCAA's insurance program for elite athletes.

"The one limitation that is the most troublesome is … that [schools] can pay up to $50,000 for a $10 million insurance policy to protect student-athletes for their future earnings. Now, that sounds very much like pay for play," Chief Justice John Roberts remarked during oral arguments. "You're paying the insurance premium so that they will play at college and not in the pros. Doesn't that undermine the amateur status theory you have?"

“Colleges don't collude to prohibit pay for students working in their libraries or bookstores, and they shouldn't continue doing this to college athletes.” — Ramogi Huma, executive director of the National College Players Association

Ramogi Huma, executive director of the National College Players Association and plaintiff's attorney advisor in the Supreme Court case, said in a statement, "This ruling makes clear that college athletes deserve every opportunity to seek and receive compensation — just like other students. The colleges don't collude to prohibit pay for students working in their libraries or bookstores, and they shouldn't continue doing this to college athletes."

The Supreme Court decision could make it possible for universities to spend more freely on medical expenses for their athletes, a top goal of Huma's organization.

"The [insurance] brokers are seeing this [as] an opportunity to write a tremendous amount of business," said David Brookbank, a consultant who advises universities and conferences on athlete disability insurance.

Also having a potential impact is the new name, image, likeness (NIL) policy adopted by the NCAA in June. The NIL policy, which allows athletes to capitalize on their fame, could help some players build the cash reserves they might need in the event of an injury. Additionally, the NCAA will hold a special convention prior to Nov. 15 that could result in further changes impacting insurance for athletes.

"I think it's really the shifting legal environment, the economic environment, the political environment — all of that — that creates this opportunity in a lot of ways to stop and erase the blackboard and draw a new chart again," NCAA President Mark Emmert told USA Today. "And that's a really, really powerful opportunity that can't be wasted."

The NCAA worked hard to keep players from getting much of anything for playing. They ruled player Donald De La Haye ineligible, demanding that he not make money off of a YouTube channel. Tired of seeing, again, everyone get rich except for the players.

If you don't want the players to get any money, then the coaches shouldn't be making any more than any other college professor. In many states, the highest-paid public employee, by a long shot, is a college coach.

[Bludogdem]

Making Sense of College Coaching Contracts

https://athleticdirectoru.com/articles/ ... contracts/

The University of Alabama pays Nick Saban $275,000 per year. The Crimson Tide Foundation pays the rest. Ie. he’s paid from outside revenues. Same for most high powered programs. Wealthy alumni, shoe and apparel contracts, etc.

“ His base salary will remain $275,000. His talent fee for 2020-21 was $8.425 million and will continue to grow at a rate of $400,000 annually. It will reach $11.225 million in the final year of the extension. With his base salary and talent fee, he is set to make $11.5 million in 2028-29. ”

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 459039001/

https://www.crimsontidefoundation.org/

[gounion]

Realty check:

There's nothing like the atmosphere of big-time college football, with 100,000 fans filling the stadium, awash in the colors of the home team. The cheerleaders, the marching band, the cheers, the traditions -- nothing says a fall Saturday like college football.

But with big-time football comes big-time expectations from the fans, and no one feels the weight of the pressure more than the head coach. That's why, in part, head coaches at state universities are the highest-paid employees in their state.

That's true for Nick Saban, who sits atop the payroll list in Alabama with an annual salary this year at $9.3 million. If anyone's earned the distinction of being the highest-paid state employee, as well as the highest-paid college football coach in the nation, it's Saban. He has led the Crimson Tide to six national championships since taking the reins of the program in 2007, including the 2020 title. Add in the split national championship he won in 2003 with LSU, he has seven in all — breaking the record of legendary Alabama coach Paul "Bear" Bryant.

Saban is followed on USA Today's database of college football coaches' salaries by 24 coaches who make just shy of $4 million per season or more. Each coach on the list works for a team in one of the Power Five conferences: Southeastern Conference, Big 12, Pac-12, Big Ten or Atlantic Coast Conference. They are ranked based on total pay.

Everybody involved in college football gets rich, except the players who actually pay with their bodies to generate the wealth.

[Bludogdem]

Realty check:



Everybody involved in college football gets rich, except the players who actually pay with their bodies to generate the wealth.

This CDC report says otherwise that college athletes pay with their bodies. Table 1 and 2 are particularly enlightening as to the low volume of significant injuries. Youngsters like to play sports. They get dinged up and they recover. A very, very, very, small number experience significant injuries. They recover from those as well.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6448a2.htm

[gounion]

This CDC report says otherwise that college athletes pay with their bodies. Table 1 and 2 are particularly enlightening as to the low volume of significant injuries. Youngsters like to play sports. They get dinged up and they recover. A very, very, very, small number experience significant injuries. They recover from those as well.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6448a2.htm

Yes, it's their bodies they put on the line. NOT the coaches. Sure, they love to do it. Not saying they don't. They are STILL being exploited to make other people rich.

And as a conservative, of course you support and champion that. Everybody's getting rich except the kids that create that wealth.

[Bludogdem]

Yes, it's their bodies they put on the line. NOT the coaches. Sure, they love to do it. Not saying they don't. They are STILL being exploited to make other people rich.

And as a conservative, of course you support and champion that. Everybody's getting rich except the kids that create that wealth.

Free ride for a college education. Training table meals, Stipends and Pell grants cash. Under the table benefits. For an 18-21 year old. Not exactly exploitation.

And top tier coaches may get rich but, as rainmakers, they are an extraordinary financial benefit to the schools.

[gounion]

Free ride for a college education. Training table meals, Stipends and Pell grants cash. Under the table benefits. For an 18-21 year old. Not exactly exploitation.

And top tier coaches may get rich but, as rainmakers, they are an extraordinary financial benefit to the schools.

Ah yes, and slaves were fed and housed, too, right?

You conservatives always make the same arguments over and over.

The players, not the coaches, are who the public pays to see.

[Libertas]

Yes, it's their bodies they put on the line. NOT the coaches. Sure, they love to do it. Not saying they don't. They are STILL being exploited to make other people rich.

And as a conservative, of course you support and champion that. Everybody's getting rich except the kids that create that wealth.

To be fair, many of the kids are POC so, you know...different rules, etc.

Need to be fair to white supremacists...

[gounion]

To be fair, many of the kids are POC so, you know...different rules, etc.

Need to be fair to white supremacists...

It really is astonishing the arguments they make. They don’t change.

And the free college education is false, too. It’s only free as long as you produce. If you don’t live up to expectations or are injured, your scholarship is pulled. And of course, if you don’t finish your degree before your scholarship runs out, your free education ends. I had a friend who was on a national championship baseball team, and he paid for a full year after to finish a high-level business degree. He said you just can’t keep up studies full time and train and play at a national championship level. Yes, there ARE geniuses who can do it, but it’s quite exceptional.

You’d think the ONE thing the NCAA would do could be to guarantee they could finish a degree, even if their scholarship is pulled or runs out. After all, there really isn’t a cost to the university. Just one more seat in the class.

It’s astonishing conservatives are the ones saying that USA citizens shouldn’t be able to profit off their skills. But then to them, the are just the worker class, or worse, they’re just trained animals to perform, like racehorses. As long as they are housed and fed, you can do anything you want to them, right?

[Bludogdem]

And the free college education is false, too. It’s only free as long as you produce. If you don’t live up to expectations or are injured, your scholarship is pulled.

Power 5 conferences are required to provide 4 year scholarships

“ In 2015, the NCAA Division I “Power 5” Schools implemented a rule that has the effect of “protecting” Division I student-athletes from having their athletic scholarship cancelled or not renewed for any athletics reason. Quite simply, a coach cannot take away a scholarship for poor athletic performance.”

https://informedathlete.com/the-facts-a ... olarships/

Additional info.

“ Conferences met this week at the NCAA’s annual convention to approve additional protections and benefits for student athletes.

One of the approved proposals is to allow student-athletes to receive room and board expenses to participate in summer athletic activities while not enrolled in summer school.

“The health and well-being of student-athletes, including their mental health, is paramount to our mission in intercollegiate athletics,” the five commissioners of the ACC, Big 12, Big Ten, Pac-12, and SEC said in a joint statement. “For the past five years, the Autonomy process has allowed our institutions to adopt meaningful reforms that continue to improve the collegiate experience for current and future student-athletes.”

Speaking of a student athletes mental health, schools voted to require institutions make mental health services and resources available, and passed a resolution committing the five conferences to bring forward legislation that will redefine rules concerning agents and advisors to assist student-athletes with career planning and decision making.

In an effort to further strengthen the mental health services provided on campuses, institutions will annually distribute mental health educational materials and resources to student-athletes, coaches, administrators and other athletics personnel. This includes a guide to the mental health resources available at the institution and information regarding how to access them.

Several autonomy proposals were adopted via electronic voting last week, including legislation focused on campus visits, complimentary admissions for athletic contests, and permissible nutritional supplements.

Previously-adopted reforms include protecting athletic scholarships from being canceled due to athletic performance, providing full cost-of-attendance scholarships, changes to students’ schedules allowing them to have more free-time away from mandatory sports requirements, and for the first time ever, a new structure that allows students to vote on legislative matters. Last year’s meeting resulted in additional health care protections, including medical costs for athletic injuries that are covered by the institution.

The following is a summary of the reforms that have been put in place:

HEALTH CARE PROTECTIONS – 2018

Recognizing that some students who are injured playing sports need medical treatment after they have left school, the conferences adopted a measure to provide treatment for at least two years after the student has left his or her institution.
TIME BALANCE REFORMS – 2017

The Autonomy Five conferences, in consultation with students, coaches, faculty and administrators, approved changes giving students more time to pursue academics, work, internships, or additional rest and recovery.
Students who play sports will have an additional 21 days away from athletics, in most cases.
Student-athletes will be involved in the establishment of their schedules, allowing for more transparency for student-athletes than ever before.
COLLEGIATE ELIGIBILITY – 2016

Prior to full-time collegiate enrollment, an individual who is drafted by a professional baseball team may now be represented by an agent or attorney during contract negotiations, without impacting future collegiate eligibility.
CONCUSSION PROTOCOL & INDEPENDENT MEDICAL CARE – 2016 & 2015

To better protect the safety of students competing in athletics, medical officials at each school have “unchallengeable autonomous authority” in deciding a student’s ability to play a sport.
A Concussion Safety Protocol was established to review each institution’s concussion management plan.
COST OF ATTENDANCE REFORMS – 2015

For the first time in history, students who play sports at an Autonomy Five institution are receiving full cost of attendance benefits as part of their athletic scholarship.
These students can receive stipends to cover expenses in addition to their scholarships.
In total, with scholarships and cost of attendance stipends, students may receive benefits for tuition, fees, room, board, books, transportation, general supplies, and personal expenses, allowing many of them to graduate debt-free.
MULTI-YEAR SCHOLARSHIP REFORMS – 2015

The Autonomy Five conferences voted to guarantee that athletic scholarships cannot be canceled for poor athletics performance.
—the Atlantic Coast Conference Communications Office contributed to this story”

https://theclemsoninsider.com/2019/01/2 ... -athletes/

[Bludogdem]

Ah yes, and slaves were fed and housed, too, right?

Stupid on an extraordinary level. Though I’m not surprised.

[gounion]

Stupid on an extraordinary level. Though I’m not surprised.

Your arguments ARE stupid. Your problem, not mine.

[ZoWie]

I think college football is a joke. Partly I'm bitter because the SEC seems to own it through a geographic advantage for TV coverage times, and partly I've been around colleges too long to take the whole "student-athlete" thing seriously. Yes, some do go to class and write their exams on the plane to some game, and would earn degrees on their own if they had to. Others, well, let's just say that they get help. Lots of help. All different kinds of help. Some legal, some more, shall we say, under the table.

Either way, I hope football players get it going in that they are going to suffer from brain injuries to a varying degree for the rest of their lives.

[gounion]

I think college football is a joke. Partly I'm bitter because the SEC seems to own it through a geographic advantage for TV coverage times, and partly I've been around colleges too long to take the whole "student-athlete" thing seriously. Yes, some do go to class and write their exams on the plane to some game, and would earn degrees on their own if they had to. Others, well, let's just say that they get help. Lots of help. All different kinds of help. Some legal, some more, shall we say, under the table.

Either way, I hope football players get it going in that they are going to suffer from brain injuries to a varying degree for the rest of their lives.

As always, Zowie again makes a great point.

Glenn and Green Grass always say how the players get a "free college education", but that really isn't true, is it? I mean, unless you're riding the bench, which is your top job when you're in athletics - your education, or your on-the-field performance? Do you think, the last couple of weeks, or be honest, the entire season, that the Alabama players were thinking about their exams, or preparing for the games? What was job one to them?

So they may graduate with a "degree" but did they graduate with knowledge? Did they earn that degree? I'd say the truth is, less than half, maybe FAR less than half.

the ONE thing the colleges could do - easily - is to say, "you come and play for us, and you can have free college here for the rest of your life". You can get as many degrees as you want after your playing time is up. After all, that's just another chair in the classroom. You've more than earned it with the income you've brought to the school and the NCAA.

But the trouble is, the NCAA is corrupt through and through. Like Mel Brooks as Governor Lepetomane said in Blazing Saddles:
"We've gotta protect our phoney baloney jobs, gentlemen!"

The President of the NCAA makes over $3 million a year. He doesn't want to do a fucking thing for the players whose bodies fund his salary.

[Bludogdem]

Some very positive information on D1 athlete graduation rates. Astonishing.



https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/resear ... Trends.pdf

[gounion]

Some very positive information on D1 athlete graduation rates. Astonishing.

Pretty great when they just pretend they got an education, isn't it? When you're playing at the very top of your ability in a top-rated team, how much can you REALLY be studying and learning? Are you getting the best education you can? Yes or no?

Of course, the answer is no. NO ONE can perform at their best academically while playing a sport at the top of their game.

And they're playing with numbers, too. I remember when the airlines were always banged hard for always missing their arrival times. I was flying a lot back then. For instance, I flew all the time from DFW to DC. Suddenly, they had no time meeting their arrival times. How did they do that? Why, they just added 10 or 20 minutes to the listed length of every flight! I know, because the average DFW-DCA flight WAS 2:25 and it went to 2:45.

These graduation rates aren't astonishing when you realize they cooked the books, like the airlines did.

That's what they're doing here.

Again, to me (an argument that Green Grass won't even touch), what you do is let the players do half-time during their sports season, and then take time AFTER their playing time to finish their degrees.

I'm in favor of giving them a QUALITY education, instead of pretending they're getting a good education in four years while playing their sports. Now, one could say that the as long as they got the degree, it doesn't matter if they LEARNED anything. Yeah, you could see it that way, I realize. That's how you would do it if you didn't care if they learned anything.

Plus, it's the argument that the right uses against Affirmative Action - that because of it, employers will see the degrees of black people as unearned, and lesser. That's the argument that Justice Clarence Thomas makes against Affirmative Action.

So, conservatives, do you care if all degrees that athletes have are seen as undeserved? That employers may feel that they shouldn't hire former college athletes because they may believe the former athletes probably don't have the knowledge that should come with that degree?