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Biden will be 86 if he finishes a 2nd term. That is why it is important the VP be somebody ready to step up and do the job. "Just in case". I think VP Harris is prepared and could do it. I'm not worried about her at all. If I had my druthers, he would step aside, and Harris would end up being the nominee. (It's fine if there are other challengers, I don't suspect there will be many besides Williamson, but who knows.) But nobody's asking me. In any case, I don't think he's cognitively incapable of doing the job.

I'd also be fine if her Veep nominee was Elizabeth Warren, Gavin Newsom, or Sheldon Whitehouse. I can also think of some excellent Cabinet posts for Marianne. But then, that would make her part of the system ...
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Well isn't this special....

https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-turn-j ... 43969.html
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Democrats turn on 'joke' candidate Marianne Williamson after she announces 2024 challenge to Biden

People need to get a grip. She's no more dangerous than AOC was.

Think of it as a good thing. Voices are being heard and we're not crowning Biden king.
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bradman wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:08 am Well isn't this special....

https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-turn-j ... 43969.html
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Democrats turn on 'joke' candidate Marianne Williamson after she announces 2024 challenge to Biden

People need to get a grip. She's no more dangerous than AOC was.

Think of it as a good thing. Voices are being heard and we're not crowning Biden king.
This isn't about crowning anyone king. Did we crown Obama king when he ran for the second term?

Maybe Williamson is a nice person. But I don't see her as Presidential material.
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gounion wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:35 am This isn't about crowning anyone king. Did we crown Obama king when he ran for the second term?

Maybe Williamson is a nice person. But I don't see her as Presidential material.
i imagine she has about as much of a chance at winning the primary as those that ran against Obama his second time round.(btw did ya check out her stance on campaign financing?)

i just don't see the big deal and would rather not give Fox fodder....

https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-turn-j ... 43969.html
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Democrats turn on 'joke' candidate Marianne Williamson after she announces 2024 challenge to Biden


It plays into the three stooges wheelhouse.
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bradman wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:16 am i imagine she has about as much of a chance at winning the primary as those that ran against Obama his second time round.(btw did ya check out her stance on campaign financing?)

i just don't see the big deal and would rather not give Fox fodder....

https://news.yahoo.com/democrats-turn-j ... 43969.html
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Democrats turn on 'joke' candidate Marianne Williamson after she announces 2024 challenge to Biden


It plays into the three stooges wheelhouse.
Well, Fox News would know about joke candidates.

But it’s always easy to be against our system of campaign financing if you really don’t plan on trying to win. But tell me, Brad, say you or I wanted to legit run for congress? We’re just working class chaps, so how do we make a real run without any money?
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Where is a head banging emoticon when you need one.
I sigh in your general direction.
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gounion wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:56 am Well, Fox News would know about joke candidates.

But it’s always easy to be against our system of campaign financing if you really don’t plan on trying to win. But tell me, Brad, say you or I wanted to legit run for congress? We’re just working class chaps, so how do we make a real run without any money?
[bold]The point being. Fox would love nothing more than for the Democrats to form their circular firing squad this early.

(2020)
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/0 ... n-finance/
A self-help author and activist, Williamson’s website warns that “our democracy is under assault by combined forces of corporatism and autocracy” and that our entire system of government has been subverted by large multinational corporations seeking profit alone.

She proposes a constitutional amendment to establish public financing of federal campaigns and measures to hold lobbyists accountable, although she has not detailed what this would entail.
Which is pretty much the norm for progressive thinking.

i dunno.........She's a democrat with a small following. i'd like to think when she pulls the plug and throws her support to Biden that we haven't pissed of that following so much that they would bolt and vote outside the party.
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bradman wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:48 pm [bold]The point being. Fox would love nothing more than for the Democrats to form their circular firing squad this early.

(2020)
https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2019/0 ... n-finance/

Which is pretty much the norm for progressive thinking.

i dunno.........She's a democrat with a small following. i'd like to think when she pulls the plug and throws her support to Biden that we haven't pissed of that following so much that they would bolt and vote outside the party.
I don't think you can say I've thrown any rocks at her.
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https://twitter.com/ScottBr08326879/sta ... 43651?s=20

Marianne Williamson Caught On Hot Mic: 'Fox News Is Nicer to Me Than the Lefties'
Anyone STUPID ENOUGH to not understand how BAD someone like this could be for the ACTUAL human race is stupid. stupid

By taking votes away from the democrat you get trump or desantis. S T U P I D
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gounion wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:35 am This isn't about crowning anyone king. Did we crown Obama king when he ran for the second term?

Maybe Williamson is a nice person. But I don't see her as Presidential material.
I'm with you Gou she's a good person & candidate with good policy intentions but there's two roadblocks first the corporate media & they're already zinging away with their smearing right wing talking points how she can't beat Trump, DeSantis etc in the general election which i expected it the other dark money groups she's going to get throttled with Big Money groups with their scare tactic ads & so forth i expect Biden to take this.
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ProfX wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:00 am Biden will be 86 if he finishes a 2nd term. That is why it is important the VP be somebody ready to step up and do the job. "Just in case". I think VP Harris is prepared and could do it. I'm not worried about her at all. If I had my druthers, he would step aside, and Harris would end up being the nominee. (It's fine if there are other challengers, I don't suspect there will be many besides Williamson, but who knows.) But nobody's asking me. In any case, I don't think he's cognitively incapable of doing the job.

I'd also be fine if her Veep nominee was Elizabeth Warren, Gavin Newsom, or Sheldon Whitehouse. I can also think of some excellent Cabinet posts for Marianne. But then, that would make her part of the system ...
Andrew Yang has some good things to say about her

https://www.andrewyang.com/blog/marianne-williamson

Marianne Williamson is Running Again in 2024. Here's Why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTI9nXOzMn8
Marianne Williamson — author, spiritual leader, and newly declared Democratic candidate for president in 2024 — joins Andrew to talk about why she believes America is "six inches from the cliff" and why an argument for incrementalism will lose in 2024. Andrew and Marianne talk about concerns with Joe Biden, why a competitive primary is necessary, and why the Democratic Party needs to return to the principles of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.
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I still like some of the things that Yang is advocating (notably UBI and a greater role for government in tech regulation and dealing with AI), I'm not terribly excited about his Forward Party.
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Someone like Yang, who forms a third party during an extremely important election year, with the purposes of splitting votes, and who plays the both sides game, isn’t an opinion I would give much credit to.
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bird wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:24 am Fucking A right. There is nothing Republican/conservative that is intelligent in terms of policy. But again AOC has NEVER put forth any legislation that can be defined as actual socialism. But do keep bleating it as though it is a penetrating analysis.
Because you one party voters are the quintessential low information voter. You and most others here are going to vote for the democratic party candidate for the rest of your lives.
Making information meaningless
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:24 pm Because you one party voters are the quintessential low information voter. You and most others here are going to vote for the democratic party candidate for the rest of your lives.
Making information meaningless
No good reason to ever vote for a Republican - your party is beyond corrupt.

We have to have adults running the government. Your party has no adults, except for Romney and McConnell. And your side hates both of them.

No one on the GOP side would vote for Larry Hogan.
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gounion wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:30 pm No good reason to ever vote for a Republican - your party is beyond corrupt.

We have to have adults running the government. Your party has no adults, except for Romney and McConnell. And your side hates both of them.

No one on the GOP side would vote for Larry Hogan.
You mean like you didn't vote for him even though he had a 65pct approval number.
You are the quintessential low information voter. No information or results in the case of Hogan will get you to vote for anyone except a Democrat.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:24 pm Because you one party voters are the quintessential low information voter. You and most others here are going to vote for the democratic party candidate for the rest of your lives.
Making information meaningless
Glen, go grab a fucking mirror and say that when you look at it. You can’t bear that your ignorant bleating of socialism has literally no meaning in this country. As for making information meaningless? That has been the specialty of the Republican Party since the election of your false God.
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bird wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:34 pm Glen, go grab a fucking mirror and say that when you look at it. You can’t bear that your ignorant bleating of socialism has literally no meaning in this country. As for making information meaningless? That has been the specialty of the Republican Party since the election of your false God.
I have in the past and will in the future vote for democrats.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:42 pm I have in the past and will in the future vote for democrats.
Bullshit. You hate us and say that we will destroy our nation.

Even though every Dem President this century have been far greater than the two losers the GOP has given us.
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gounion wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:57 pm Bullshit. You hate us and say that we will destroy our nation.

Even though every Dem President this century have been far greater than the two losers the GOP has given us.
Again not being truthful. I have said that the lefts intentions are to improve our country but imo silencing the political voices of 45 to 50pct of the people will result in the end of our nation.
As for the greatness of Presidents anyone who believes Carter was a better president than Reagan is not qualified on that topic.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:24 pm Again not being truthful. I have said that the lefts intentions are to improve our country but imo silencing the political voices of 45 to 50pct of the people will result in the end of our nation.
As for the greatness of Presidents anyone who believes Carter was a better president than Reagan is not qualified on that topic.
But you're supporting the Florida Governor that wants to silence 45 to 50 percent of people in his state. And you don't mind all his anti-gay laws.

Carter clocks in above Nixon, Ford, both Bushes and Trump. He's #26. Of course you say he's one of the worst. Historians don't agree with you.

Reagan gave WMDs to Saddam and trained the Mujaheddin and Bin Laden the fine art of terrorism.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 6:42 pm I have in the past and will in the future vote for democrats.
Big fucking deal. I have voted, in the past, for some Republicans. There is not a single one now holding any meaningful position in the Republican Party that is worth any vote by anyone. In point of opinion there hasn’t been one since before Ronnie the Dimwit except for perhaps Kinzinger and Cheney on some points before your party ran her out the door.

Still waiting for that list of programs put forth by AOC that would destroy the country.
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Glennfs wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 7:24 pm Again not being truthful. I have said that the lefts intentions are to improve our country but imo silencing the political voices of 45 to 50pct of the people will result in the end of our nation.
As for the greatness of Presidents anyone who believes Carter was a better president than Reagan is not qualified on that topic.
Bullshit again.

Silencing people? Ron DeathSantis. Empty Greene, Lauren Boebert. Greg Abbot. Ken Paxton. Gym Jordan.

Carter was a better man than gutless, chickenhawk Ronnie. Ronnie gave us al-Qaida. Ronnie gave weapons to Saddam Hussein. Ronnie negotiated with terrorists. Ronnie traded weapons for hostages. He was a fucking idiot who gave an Oscar winning performance playing a president. He acted like playing his role “defeated” communism. Those who were inside the USSR knew better. Ronnie sky-rocketed the deficit and taxed, iirc, social security benefits. Ronnie gave us the S&L mess. As time progresses away from that fucking idiot he will rank lower and lower down the list.
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If they were to consult an actual Krystal Ball they'd get a pretty good take on it

https://twitter.com/krystalball/status/ ... 8645347328
I would submit that the attitude of smug condescension on display here is part of why the media and this white house have lost the trust of the American people. They are smearing a woman for her religion and cackling at everyone who would like an option other than Biden in 2024.
The misrepresentation its a way of cowering from having to debate or address problems that are important to Americans. Its about character of the administration, a foretelling of disfunction to come.
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Never ceases to amaze.

Krystal Ball has no credibility. She attacks the left from the left during democracy’s greatest battle. She invites like operatives such as Glenn Greenwald, Rose McGowan, Russell Brand, Nina Turner and Andrew Yang onto her show. She stated Dems used impeaching Trump as a way to keep Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren off the campaign trail.
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