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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:44 pm 
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Really strange stuff. I had thought Opus Dei was mostly CT junk, although it does exist, but several callers to WCPT today got me curious. Google "Opus Dei Bill Barr" and you'll many hits, including:

https://www.alternet.org/2019/05/did-op ... -scruples/

Yeah, I know Alter-Net isn't exactly The NY Times or even CNN, but I have to admit, Barr's behavior is very scary.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:08 pm 
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It's real. Don't believe all the crap in the Da Vinci Code.

They don't employ albino assassins, and only a few diehards actually wear things with spikes burrowing into their thigh or are into that other self-flagellation BDSM stuff. :D

But they are ultra-traditionalist Catholics, very right-wing, some of them are so-called "secadaventists" i.e. they consider the Papal throne vacant because that liberal Francis is in it.

Also, there IS a connection between the group and some RW leaders in Latin America.

They are very secretive about their membership. People such as Brownback, Santorum, McCloskey, and SCOTUS justices Scalia and Alito are/were alleged members. They neither confirm nor deny. :D
https://www.au.org/church-state/may-200 ... s-dei-code

IIRC, there was something in Covert Action Quarterly a ways back noting some folks in the CIA also being members. Can't find it at the moment.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:50 pm 
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Sounds like Mel Gibson and his dad would fit right in. :)

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:39 pm 
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the population is so huge and theyve all gotta have a club to belong to.
convincing Other humans of what YOU believe is key to your personal high.

jim jones couldnt do it on his own.

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the population is so huge and theyve all gotta have a club to belong to.
convincing Other humans of what YOU believe is key to your personal high.

jim jones couldnt do it on his own.

Not sure of "all," but yeah many people feel lost if they don't belong to a club of some kind. Human social instincts and the many who feel left out probably explains the Trumponatti.

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It's real. Don't believe all the crap in the Da Vinci Code.

They don't employ albino assassins, and only a few diehards actually wear things with spikes burrowing into their thigh or are into that other self-flagellation BDSM stuff. :D

But they are ultra-traditionalist Catholics, very right-wing, some of them are so-called "secadaventists" i.e. they consider the Papal throne vacant because that liberal Francis is in it.

Also, there IS a connection between the group and some RW leaders in Latin America.

They are very secretive about their membership. People such as Brownback, Santorum, McCloskey, and SCOTUS justices Scalia and Alito are/were alleged members. They neither confirm nor deny. :D
https://www.au.org/church-state/may-200 ... s-dei-code

IIRC, there was something in Covert Action Quarterly a ways back noting some folks in the CIA also being members. Can't find it at the moment.

Thanks for the link. If nothing, it underscores the need to have and defend the wall of separation. These people are dangerous.

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Da Vinci Code spun a good yarn, but that's all it is. Mary Magdalene is not preserved in a box under the inverted pyramid in the shopping mall in the Louvre, some distance from the McDonalds. There is no mysterious significance to the Paris Meridian, which was simply that country's idea of the Greenwich Meridian. The gnomon in Sainte-Sulpice is how they calculated the date of easter. They don't all self-flagellate.

They did have some kind of involvement in Central America, which may be one reason that Protestantism is growing by leaps and bounds there. Were Blase Bonpane still on this mortal coil, maybe he'd have had some ideas as to the reality here. He certainly left the priesthood over issues regarding liberation theology and the reaction to same.

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Mary Magdalene is not preserved in a box under the inverted pyramid in the shopping mall in the Louvre, some distance from the McDonalds.


In fact, BTW, France claims her tomb is in Vezelay. (I'm not saying it's really her tomb, but that's been the "Golden Legend" since the Middle Ages, that she came to southern France.)
https://www.europeanfocus.com/vezelay-b ... magdalene/

Others claim she is buried in Southern France which is where she first came ashore.
https://thecatholictravelguide.com/dest ... magdalene/

BTW, in those legends, she was neither necessarily Jesus' wife, nor bearing his child. That whole "bloodline" thing was never in the original mythos, but the original belief that she came to France was widespread.

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There is no mysterious significance to the Paris Meridian, which was simply that country's idea of the Greenwich Meridian. The gnomon in Sainte-Sulpice is how they calculated the date of easter.


Yes and no. You decide how deep the rabbit hole goes. Dan Brown is simply borrowing from a more long-standing mythos in France of the so-called "prieure documents" and the Rennes-le-Chateau mystery. Whether or not there ever really was a real Priory of Sion, SOMEBODY put some weird documents in the Biblioteque Nationale.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_Line

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Rosslyn Chapel is neither named after this so-called "Rose Line" nor is it on the Paris Meridian. But that is the illustration Tom Hanks is looking at in his own book before he goes running through the streets of Paris, apparently motivated by cutting himself while shaving.

BTW, I can tell you the people who run Saint-Sulpice (I was there) say they appreciate all the tourists DVC brings, but they honestly hate the book and the movie, it's run by fairly orthodox Catholics who don't really care that their church is associated with some occult mystery.

Yes, they DO point out the copper line running down the center of the church was a gnomon used to calculate the date of Easter, and you can find same in many churches. Not an occult meridian.

One other interesting thing in the movie: the "Sauniere" of the film works as a curator at the Louvre, but the original Father Sauniere was a parish priest at Rennes-le-Chateau in the early 20th century, and his bizarre redecorations of the church and his unusual activities there are the basis of the so-called "RlC mystery". The Louvre does figure into that mystery, but it primarily dealt with other paintings, the Temptation of St. Anthony and Poussin's Shepherds of Arcadia. (It is said Sauniere went to the Louvre to view those paintings for some reasons.)

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They did have some kind of involvement in Central America, which may be one reason that Protestantism is growing by leaps and bounds there.


Unfortunately, though, many of the Protestant churches are very against liberation theology, pro-U.S., and like some evangelicals in the U.S., pro-Trump.

Oh and more thing. That guy "Leigh Teabing" played by Magneto in the movie? His name is a smash together of Richard Leigh and an anagram of Michael Baigent, the two guys who along with Henry Lincoln wrote Holy Blood Holy Grail, the publication of which in the 80s is when all this RlC stuff first began being discussed in the Anglophone world ... it had mostly only been written about in French until then and was more of a local mystery.

There's a lot of things Dan Brown is essentially ripping off, and he's even genteel enough to point some of it out, at least obliquely. The guy always mangles a bit here and there. Like in Angels & Demons ... no, the Illuminati did not begin in Italy in the 1500s. :roll:

I liked The Lost Symbol, but I have no idea why they skipped over that one to make a movie out of Inferno, instead.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:30 am 
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Mary Magdalene? Oh, yeah. She came to North America on an ark, and ended up somewhere near Arizona--being the great-great-+++ grandmother of Geronimo.

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Well, look, I'm just saying the legends are all over the place ... not that they're true. :D

There's even a small town in southern France named after her supposed arrival (with two other people named Mary) ... the Gypsies there do a local festival.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer

It's less implausible for someone to cross the Mediterranean by boat, then to claim the lost tribes of Israel crossed the Atlantic, more than 2000 years ago. :D

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Well, look, I'm just saying the legends are all over the place ... not that they're true. :D

There's even a small town in southern France named after her supposed arrival (with two other people named Mary) ... the Gypsies there do a local festival.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer

It's less implausible for someone to cross the Mediterranean by boat, then to claim the lost tribes of Israel crossed the Atlantic, more than 2000 years ago. :D

Agree. But to me, that millions of people actually believe the "Lost Tribes Came to America" story to this day itself is pretty amazing. Maybe in 200 years people will start thinking the LDS church is a myth. :D :D

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When Greenwich was adopted as the universal zero longitude in 1884[22] (not 1888 as the novel says), it had at least nine rivals besides Paris (Berlin, Cadiz, Copenhagen, Lisbon, Rio de Janeiro, Rome, Saint Petersburg, Stockholm, and Tokyo).


I don't think the French ever really got over the international adoption of the British zero meridian. The British were able to force it because of navigation, for which they understandably did a lot of work. Paris would have worked just as well because if you check on a map the two meridians are surprisingly close to each other. Paris is 200 miles south of Greenwich, but only 80 miles east. Either way, you get a date line more or less down the middle of the Pacific.

The gnomon in Saint-Sulpice is not on the Paris Meridian, though it's close. It was for astronomical observation, not navigation. For that matter, the line that everyone stands astride to have their picture taken in Greenwich is no longer dead-on either. Depending on which survey datum you use, the zero meridian is either about 75 feet east or several hundred feet west. Oh and if GMT is the mean solar time at the Greenwich observatory, then it doesn't exist, because that's not how they keep it any more. It's atomic, I think, but also GMT is only used for British reference. Otherwise, the world's on various Universal Time Scales, UTC and UT1 being the best known. UTC is corrected for the Earth's rotation, and for timekeeping. UT1 isn't, and for navigation. There are others.

Atomic time itself is Temps Atomique International, and controlled by a group in France. The French got the last laugh. Then there's GPS time, which is just the time kept by the GPS system, and it is probably the de facto standard for a whole lot of things. It was synced to UTC once, the GPS Epoch, and then sent off on its merry way. It's something like 18 seconds off UTC now. You can see it in some cellular network times that sync to it rather than NTP, though I notice that Verizon has been correcting to UTC in the past few years.

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BTW, Washington DC has a zero meridian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_meridians

Goes right through a Zero Milestone right outside the WH.

It's basically 16th Street. If you've ever been to Meridian Hill Park, it's called that because it has a zero meridian marker.

The Washington Monument SHOULD be on this meridian but they moved it because the ground was too swampy. It DOES go through the nearby Jefferson Pier.

I can tell you what else is on 16th though - the House of the Temple for Scottish Rite Freemasonry.

This is BTW one of the things Dan Brown goes into in Lost Symbol.

Anyway, one of the claims in the "prieure documents" is that this "Roseline" is supposedly much older than the modern day Paris Meridian (which goes through the Paris Observatory as of the 1600s) and that it went through a tomb/marker just outside of Rennes-les-Bains (the town right near Rennes-le-Chateau).

Some claim Poussin's tomb painting in Shepherds of Arcadia is of that tomb (though it is of course supposed to depict Greece).

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That I didn't know. Someone should add it to the Wiki.

Meridians are an interesting subject. At one time a lot of places had them for mean solar times. It was really the railroads in the US that encouraged a standard time that was in sync for a whole zone, regardless of the sun's exact position. Otherwise, scheduling was a real mess.

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One thing which should be added to that Wikipedia article is a clear statement that the Washington DC zero meridian is not used for any land survey purpose today, that it's a relic of a past time.

In saying: "The longitude of the center of the Capitol's dome (completed in 1863 during the Civil War) is now given by the National Geodetic Survey as 77°00'32.6"W (NAD 83)."

It is implied that it is no longer used for land survey, but it's not clearly stated. The article did in quoting Congress say it was not ever used for nautical navigation.


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True, it has no survey use. Nor is the Greenwich Royal Observatory on the zero meridian any more. Close, but no cigar.

The main US contribution to this whole thing was the division of the whole country into those 40-acre squares defined by the baselines, townships, and ranges. You see it from the airplane. It was a very visionary thing, and you don't see it anywhere else I've ever been.

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