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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 2:14 pm 
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stinky smell comes up from the garbage disposal and dishwasher and it is the same smell.

Plumber replaced pipes under sink, pulled out dishwasher and says NOTHING to see here, no food stuck anywhere that he can find.

WHAT the FUCK is it? Is it possible to have sewer gases coming up?

Driving us crazy, we have spent A LOT of money on this house since moving in, we really cant afford spending a pile of money on this too.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 25, 2019 5:31 pm 
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stinky smell comes up from the garbage disposal and dishwasher and it is the same smell.

Plumber replaced pipes under sink, pulled out dishwasher and says NOTHING to see here, no food stuck anywhere that he can find.

WHAT the FUCK is it? Is it possible to have sewer gases coming up?

Driving us crazy, we have spent A LOT of money on this house since moving in, we really cant afford spending a pile of money on this too.

Is there a "P" trap under the sink? If not, sewer smell could be coming from the drainage plumbing.

If the dishwasher filter is dirty it could be the source of the odor..

Potato peelings are another potential culprit. They should never go into a garbage disposal because they have a tendency to slip through without getting ground to little bits and get stuck along the edges of the disposal. Rotting potatoes give off a nasty smell.

Adding coffee grounds or lemons to the disposal might help clean and freshen things up a bit.


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A P-trap only traps the sewer gasses the pipes hidden in the wall and under the floor contain and vent from the roof. There can be cracks in the vent piping above the level water goes in which will only leak gasses you or a plumber can see.

When you moved in did you drive any nails or screws in the wall to hang up stuff around the sink which might have hit and broken the vent pipe? Those are the places to cut inspection holes in the wall first if it seems like the vent pipe might be behind that spot.

Chopping holes in the Sheetrock is the only way I know one can find a problem like that, and if it is sewer gas you need to get it fixed. Set aside 10 grand for this, you're about to get piped, and then get sheet rocked.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:06 pm 
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Its an island where the sink and dishwasher is, and no we didnt punch holes in anything

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Its an island where the sink and dishwasher is, and no we didnt punch holes in anything

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Oh' it's an island.

Islands are difficult, they have no vent stack. There is no way to run a pipe up through the roof from near to where the sink connects. it would go straight up through the middle of the room all naked like, without walls to hide it from view. Pipes like to be in walls.

Without a vent stack the normal pressure pulses in the drain line can slurp dry a trap and release sewer gasses, and they would go into the dishwasher too.

To explain that suppose A toilet flushing somewhere else in the house sends out a wave of water through the drain system it splashes up the line toward the island sink then recedes creating a vacuum in the line which slurps out the trap's water. A vent would break that vacuum pulse and prevent it from emptying the trap, but the island has none.

Probably nothing is broke, it's there, it's the way it is.


I can't tell you how to fix it because it is a very site specific kind of problem. I can tell you how to confirm it is what is happening, and perhaps how to live with it.

Every time you smell it go to the sink and turn on and pour down the drain about a cup of water. See if that doesn't stop it.

Then think about what happened in the house during the hour or so before you noticed the smell, a shower was taken it one shower but not the other, a toilet was flushed at one end of the house but not the other, or perhaps both, try to remember those kinds of details. Look for a pattern. You might find a toilet in the master bedroom flushed at three AM causes it. Or it might be the washing machine every time it runs does it.

Toilets and washing machines are the most likely to make the biggest waves in the system. Showers and baths might be able to do it too. Little bathroom sinks are unlikely to cause it.

The way you can learn to live with it if you can find the pattern is to walk to the sink after the toilet is flushed or the washing machine runs and pour in a cup of water. That will stop the smell before it fills the room.

That information can also help a plumber to find a solution which fits your particular unique house plan if you decide to have a fix done.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:00 pm 
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Oh' it's an island.

Islands are difficult, they have no vent stack. There is no way to run a pipe up through the roof from near to where the sink connects. it would go straight up through the middle of the room all naked like, without walls to hide it from view. Pipes like to be in walls.

Without a vent stack the normal pressure pulses in the drain line can slurp dry a trap and release sewer gasses, and they would go into the dishwasher too.

To explain that suppose A toilet flushing somewhere else in the house sends out a wave of water through the drain system it splashes up the line toward the island sink then recedes creating a vacuum in the line which slurps out the trap's water. A vent would break that vacuum pulse and prevent it from emptying the trap, but the island has none.

Probably nothing is broke, it's there, it's the way it is.


I can't tell you how to fix it because it is a very site specific kind of problem. I can tell you how to confirm it is what is happening, and perhaps how to live with it.

Every time you smell it go to the sink and turn on and pour down the drain about a cup of water. See if that doesn't stop it.

Then think about what happened in the house during the hour or so before you noticed the smell, a shower was taken it one shower but not the other, a toilet was flushed at one end of the house but not the other, or perhaps both, try to remember those kinds of details. Look for a pattern. You might find a toilet in the master bedroom flushed at three AM causes it. Or it might be the washing machine every time it runs does it.

Toilets and washing machines are the most likely to make the biggest waves in the system. Showers and baths might be able to do it too. Little bathroom sinks are unlikely to cause it.

The way you can learn to live with it if you can find the pattern is to walk to the sink after the toilet is flushed or the washing machine runs and pour in a cup of water. That will stop the smell before it fills the room.

That information can also help a plumber to find a solution which fits your particular unique house plan if you decide to have a fix done.

Thanks Sam, I will do all of that.
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Oh' it's an island.

Islands are difficult, they have no vent stack. There is no way to run a pipe up through the roof from near to where the sink connects. it would go straight up through the middle of the room all naked like, without walls to hide it from view. Pipes like to be in walls.

Without a vent stack the normal pressure pulses in the drain line can slurp dry a trap and release sewer gasses, and they would go into the dishwasher too.

To explain that suppose A toilet flushing somewhere else in the house sends out a wave of water through the drain system it splashes up the line toward the island sink then recedes creating a vacuum in the line which slurps out the trap's water. A vent would break that vacuum pulse and prevent it from emptying the trap, but the island has none.

Probably nothing is broke, it's there, it's the way it is.


I can't tell you how to fix it because it is a very site specific kind of problem. I can tell you how to confirm it is what is happening, and perhaps how to live with it.

Every time you smell it go to the sink and turn on and pour down the drain about a cup of water. See if that doesn't stop it.

Then think about what happened in the house during the hour or so before you noticed the smell, a shower was taken it one shower but not the other, a toilet was flushed at one end of the house but not the other, or perhaps both, try to remember those kinds of details. Look for a pattern. You might find a toilet in the master bedroom flushed at three AM causes it. Or it might be the washing machine every time it runs does it.

Toilets and washing machines are the most likely to make the biggest waves in the system. Showers and baths might be able to do it too. Little bathroom sinks are unlikely to cause it.

The way you can learn to live with it if you can find the pattern is to walk to the sink after the toilet is flushed or the washing machine runs and pour in a cup of water. That will stop the smell before it fills the room.

That information can also help a plumber to find a solution which fits your particular unique house plan if you decide to have a fix done.

Adding a drain vent to the line like the one in this picture might fix the problem.

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Gutting the island to access the drainage plumbing might be messy but necessary. Materials and labor for a carpenter and plumber would cost a few hundred bucks each here in South Dakota. I imagine it might be more where Libertas lives.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2019 12:15 am 
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Adding a drain vent to the line like the one in this picture might fix the problem.

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Gutting the island to access the drainage plumbing might be messy but necessary. Materials and labor for a carpenter and plumber would cost a few hundred bucks each here in South Dakota. I imagine it might be more where Libertas lives.


He might have one of them already. And it might be a bit sticky in it's action and as thus be failing to open when there is a vacumb behind it in the line.

In there is a spring closure check valve. It's supposed to open at a very low almost undetectable bit of vacuum, it has to be open by the time the vacuum is at a half inch of water column, because that trap will be slurped dry if it gets to 2 or 3 inches and it's a pulse, it happens fast. The slightest bit of sewer goo splashed into the works to sticky it up and it doesn't work.

Some times they try to run a vent line under the floor with a separate drain line and then loop it up and over to connect with the drain line under the sink. That works until water vapor condenses in the vent line and runs to a low spot and in effect becomes a second trap which traps the vent which causes the first trap to get slurped.

So sometimes they drain the low spots in the under the floor vent line with automatic water drains and have a tube to carry off that condensate water to somewhere else. And that works until that automatic drain valve gets gummed up.

Islands are difficult.


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thx Ted...I dont have that under there,nothing like that

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thx Ted...I dont have that under there,nothing like that


Getting something like that under there would likely fix it, but first confirm that the slurping of the trap is the problem. A cup of water added ought to stop the smell or that smell is arising from some other source.

:) Within a few days you'll know.

If you do get one added be aware you may need to clean it every couple years to keep it working. Ask the person installing it to show you how to do that.


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Getting something like that under there would likely fix it, but first confirm that the slurping of the trap is the problem. A cup of water added ought to stop the smell or that smell is arising from some other source.

:) Within a few days you'll know.

If you do get one added be aware you may need to clean it every couple years to keep it working. Ask the person installing it to show you how to do that.

Last resort for sure.

We are working on this experiment now, thanks again, you might have helped me tremendously here, time will tell.

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