What equates an ignorant person?

[carmenjonze]

also people who clean the bathrooms that helps people of all walks of life not to get sick

And empty the trash, and clean up after these dirty, elitist cons.

Usually from a minority group or immigrant group that these dirty cons despise.

They're still mad that they can no longer get away with forcing people to do this work for free.

[ProfX]

Having been in one or two of the worst bathrooms on Earth, ... yes, folks, they usually ARE in gas stations, and I avoid them if I can but like Jeff Goldbloom said "when you gotta go, you gotta go" ... I think janitors deserve manna from heaven.

[Motor City]

And empty the trash, and clean up after these dirty, elitist cons.

Usually from a minority group or immigrant group that these dirty cons despise.

They're still mad that they can no longer get away with forcing people to do this work for free.

Yea and some even get sentimental about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrMQvXbNYX8

[carmenjonze]

Yea and some even get sentimental about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrMQvXbNYX8

Complete with slavery flags, and fascist-era sloganeering like “nullification” and “America First.”

Freaks.

[Motor City]

Complete with slavery flags, and fascist-era sloganeering like “nullification” and “America First.”

Freaks.

Yea and the whole time black people were exploited mercilessly and brutally the plantation owner never let up one bit and then as they leave he tells em he felt like when they worked together..... but they never worked together were never on the same side never were friends, none of that really ever existed except maybe as some type of mental defense to hide from themselves the trauma they were inflicting on everyone.

[Glennfs]

Pointless post.

Nobody is putting down truck drivers, or Glennfs for being one, and no one ever should.

What are you so defensive about, guy who incessantly brags about all your supposed degrees? :problem:

Thank you, personally I drive trucks because I love doing so and it fits my many quirks and personality flaws. (Flaws to some not to me)
Would you be surprised to learn that before I got involved in trucking I managed the 7th largest Eckerd Drug Store in North or South Carolina and supervised 27 people.
After years of doing what was expected of me I decided to do what I wanted to do. Something everyone should attempt to do. Within reason

[carmenjonze]

Thank you, personally I drive trucks because I love doing so and it fits my many quirks and personality flaws. (Flaws to some not to me)
Would you be surprised to learn that before I got involved in trucking I managed the 7th largest Eckerd Drug Store in North or South Carolina and supervised 27 people.
After years of doing what was expected of me I decided to do what I wanted to do. Something everyone should attempt to do. Within reason

I would not be surprised at that, why would I be.

[carmenjonze]

By the way, Eckerd, like Woolworth and others, was another drugstore chain that had to be desegregated, thanks to white conservative laws and white conservative violence.

Conservative whites, including in South Carolina Eckerds, had people beaten and arrested for sitting at a stupid lunch counter.

That’s how petty and violent white conservatism is. They were exceptionally violent in southern states. But the entire country was like this.

[Glennfs]

I would not be surprised at that, why would I be.

Many people do

[ProfX]

After years of doing what was expected of me I decided to do what I wanted to do. Something everyone should attempt to do. Within reason

[Nods.] Some of us are doing what we both enjoy doing best and best enable us to serve others ... however lucrative it isn't, so I already followed your advice.

[carmenjonze]

Many people do

Do you mean many people are surprised you were manager of a large pharmacy?

[Glennfs]

By the way, Eckerd, like Woolworth and others, was another drugstore chain that had to be desegregated, thanks to white conservative laws and white conservative violence.

Conservative whites, including in South Carolina Eckerds, had people beaten and arrested for sitting at a stupid lunch counter.

That’s how petty and violent white conservatism is. They were exceptionally violent in southern states. But the entire country was like this.

Many pro life people will ponder about how many Einstein's etc have been aborted.
That has always made me wonder how much further would society be advanced if minorities had been treated as equal.
How much shorter would the wars been. Would there had even been a WWI or II. How many advancements in the arts and sciences have we missed.
In the bible it mentions and I paraphrase the sins of the father followed the sons until the 7th generation. Seems like a truth of life.

[Glennfs]

Do you mean many people are surprised you were manager of a large pharmacy?

Having a career of responsibilities in general. Let's face it my academic achievements aren't exactly stellar. I figured out how to finagle myself through the door and took advantage of the opportunity.
Finagle a polite word for I faked a resume.

[carmenjonze]

[Nods.] Some of us are doing what we both enjoy doing best and best enable us to serve others ... however lucrative it isn't, so I already followed your advice.

I for one am very glad I majored in lesbian dance theory.

I still use my major every day.

This is obviously partly tongue in cheek but seriously I have ZERO regrets about doing me of those “but whuuddarr-ya gunna do with THATTT” majors. Let me tell you what I’ve done with it.

[Glennfs]

[Nods.] Some of us are doing what we both enjoy doing best and best enable us to serve others ... however lucrative it isn't, so I already followed your advice.

Pretty much all labor serves others.

[ProfX]

Many pro life people will ponder about how many Einstein's etc have been aborted.

Well, first off, I would argue Einsteins are not just born, they are made. "Nature and nurture". If Albert had been born in a different place and time, maybe someone else would have come up with the general theory of relativity, maybe later ... those are the kinds of What If questions I occasionally muse on but don't spend much time on.

Nature is a very ruthless aborter of fetuses, if you study the rate of natural miscarriage and stillbirth.

We're headed for 8 billion people on Earth. My bigger worry is not that an Einstein won't be born, but that "he" (someone like him - or her) is being born in a place, time, and environment where their abilities can't be realized - or recognized - or put to use.

[gounion]

Having a career of responsibilities in general. Let's face it my academic achievements aren't exactly stellar. I figured out how to finagle myself through the door and took advantage of the opportunity.
Finagle a polite word for I faked a resume.

I'm reading a book right now on the manufacturing of our defense industry in World War 2, and how it was done. It's mostly a book about the "Titans of Industry". One of the things that struck me was how many deals were done on a handshake. Back then, a man's word was his bond.

I guess things have changed for today's Republicans.

In my long, 20+ year history as a Union Man, I was never asked to lie, and I never lied. When dealing with companies and people, your word is very important.

I guess you have a different view of that.

BTW, the book is Freedom's Forge, by Arthur Herman. It's from 2012, but very good. Although the author is obviously anti-union, there was much in the book I never knew.

[gounion]

Pretty much all labor serves others.

No, not really. When you work for a corporation, your labor serves the corporation's profits, nothing more.

That's why I jumped at the chance to work for a union, where I could make a difference in people's lives. It made my career a life well lived.

[ProfX]

Pretty much all labor serves others.

Correct. And perhaps in another life, I'd be a shoe polisher, serving others by polishing their shoes.
Maybe like the guy in American Pickle, I'd be helping them find the best pickle in the barrel.

But then there are things like vulture funds. Of course, the people "working" there might stretch the definition of "labor".

As I said, I followed the path that best enabled me to serve others, which is education.

[gounion]

Correct. And perhaps in another life, I'd be a shoe polisher, serving others by polishing their shoes.
Maybe like the guy in American Pickle, I'd be helping them find the best pickle in the barrel.

But then there are things like vulture funds. Of course, the people "working" there might stretch the definition of "labor".

As I said, I followed the path that best enabled me to serve others, which is education.

There's being a wage slave, which I was for 25 years, renting my life an hour at a time. When I was doing work I liked, being a craftsman, it was fine, but as they de-skilled the work, I became more dissatisfied, but it paid so well I was kinda stuck. But life became much better after I went to work for the union, life certainly took on new meaning. Doing something that serves more than a wage and a profit for a corporation was really great.

Now I just enjoy life.

[carmenjonze]

Many pro life people will ponder about how many Einstein's etc have been aborted. That has always made me wonder how much further would society be advanced if minorities had been treated as equal.

so-called prolife, forced-birth cons don't even care about the living, so I don't buy this old song and dance.

They never speculate about people like my grandmother who had the smarts to be a lawyer but was limited by white conservatives and your crap laws to being a domestic...for yet more conservative whites.

Women like her were also forced by the government to carry pregnancies to term because from the outset of slavery, the very idea of ANY women, let alone a nonwhite woman controlling her own reproductive life made you guys get out the hemp rope.

As for other shitty life and economic choices forced on not-white women: in South Carolina, these were the kind of trashy laws your forebears came up with for women like my grandmother and great grandmother.

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So while you pine away about people that don't even exist, this is what you guys did to the actually-born.

She, too, could have managed a pharmacy. You guys are still fine with having ruined millions of lives this way.

How much shorter would the wars been. Would there had even been a WWI or II. How many advancements in the arts and sciences have we missed.
In the bible it mentions and I paraphrase the sins of the father followed the sons until the 7th generation. Seems like a truth of life.

This is really distorted thinking. It's not a "truth of life," nor is any of this set in stone. These conditions are manufactured and enforced by policy choices made by governments and the type of extremist violence the world witnessed on January 6th.

Same MO, same people, same sloganeering, same flags.

"Minorities" still are not treated as equal, and certainly not by the same old perps, white conservatives. It's better than it was, but "better than it was" will never be good enough.

You vote for anti-LGBTQ laws, anti-immigrant laws, anti-Muslim/Islam laws, and can be counted on to excuse every story about police brutality against "minorities" using the same rationales about negro crime as the Citizens Council did in like 1958.

There are literal neo-Confederates and neo-Nazis in your party, and the leadership and propaganda arms are packed with white nationalists.

So there is no need to wonder about this. Those conditions have always been put in place, supported, and voted in by folks like you.

[Libertas]

Do you mean many people are surprised you were manager of a large pharmacy?

So he is smart enough to manage a large retail operation and still supports openly racist and fascist politicians.

I guess "ignorance" and "intellect " are no longer options for him to use as to why he supports such disgusting things.

I suspect con is even PROUD that he is smart enough to do those things and remains loyal to hate and digust.

[carmenjonze]

Having a career of responsibilities in general. Let's face it my academic achievements aren't exactly stellar. I figured out how to finagle myself through the door and took advantage of the opportunity.
Finagle a polite word for I faked a resume.

Well, it's not really about academic achievements.

Remember: Donald Trump is from Penn, Laura Ingraham and Dinesh D'Souza are from Dartmouth, and I'll let you look up where that freak Ron DeSantis went.

Some of the 20th century's most deadly white supremacists in this country were Ivy-leaguers working at elite and research universities.

It's how this country got its eugenics laws, eugenics boards, anti-miscegenation laws, and forced-heterosexuality laws.

So it's not really about degrees or academic achievement or even so-called intelligence, it's about valuing education. Status, prestige, and recognized brand names is not what an education is.

[Glennfs]

Well, it's not really about academic achievements.

Remember: Donald Trump is from Penn, Laura Ingraham and Dinesh D'Souza are from Dartmouth, and I'll let you look up where that freak Ron DeSantis went.

Some of the 20th century's most deadly white supremacists in this country were Ivy-leaguers working at elite and research universities.

It's how this country got its eugenics laws, eugenics boards, anti-miscegenation laws, and forced-heterosexuality laws.

So it's not really about degrees or academic achievement or even so-called intelligence, it's about valuing education. Status, prestige, and recognized brand names is not what an education is.

Don't forget Al Gore has an Ivy league education.
The two smartest men in my life was my grandfather on my mother's side. He had a one room school 6th grade education. He retired as a superintendent of a medium sized rubber company.
Then there was my dad who was a 9th grade dropout who retired as an engineer for Goodyear.

Look at Lebron James he is a brilliant man. But, had he not been a gifted athlete there is a very good chance today he would be in prison.
Never having had the opportunity to better his lot in life.
That is what happened to my dad. Never committed a crime or went to jail. But, because of his background if not for WWII he would have never had the opportunity to better his life.

[carmenjonze]

Don't forget Al Gore has an Ivy league education.

every president and most VPs do. What does that have to do with anything?

The two smartest men in my life was my grandfather on my mother's side. He had a one room school 6th grade education. He retired as a superintendent of a medium sized rubber company.
Then there was my dad who was a 9th grade dropout who retired as an engineer for Goodyear.

Look at Lebron James he is a brilliant man. But, had he not been a gifted athlete there is a very good chance today he would be in prison.
Never having had the opportunity to better his lot in life.
That is what happened to my dad. Never committed a crime or went to jail. But, because of his background if not for WWII he would have never had the opportunity to better his life.

He was a white man in a viciously racist society, who directly benefitted from racism in exactly the way it was supposed to work.

As are you.