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AP: Slavery still alive and well in the USA.

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Prison labor taking the jobs away from law-abiding Americans. Remember also that in Texas, nearly one in ten workers are illegal.

https://apnews.com/article/prison-to-pl ... 4eadf08c4e
ANGOLA, La. (AP) — A hidden path to America’s dinner tables begins here, at an unlikely source – a former Southern slave plantation that is now the country’s largest maximum-security prison.

Unmarked trucks packed with prison-raised cattle roll out of the Louisiana State Penitentiary, where men are sentenced to hard labor and forced to work, for pennies an hour or sometimes nothing at all. After rumbling down a country road to an auction house, the cows are bought by a local rancher and then followed by The Associated Press another 600 miles to a Texas slaughterhouse that feeds into the supply chains of giants like McDonald’s, Walmart and Cargill.

Intricate, invisible webs, just like this one, link some of the world’s largest food companies and most popular brands to jobs performed by U.S. prisoners nationwide, according to a sweeping two-year AP investigation into prison labor that tied hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of agricultural products to goods sold on the open market.

They are among America’s most vulnerable laborers. If they refuse to work, some can jeopardize their chances of parole or face punishment like being sent to solitary confinement. They also are often excluded from protections guaranteed to almost all other full-time workers, even when they are seriously injured or killed on the job.

The goods these prisoners produce wind up in the supply chains of a dizzying array of products found in most American kitchens, from Frosted Flakes cereal and Ball Park hot dogs to Gold Medal flour, Coca-Cola and Riceland rice. They are on the shelves of virtually every supermarket in the country, including Kroger, Target, Aldi and Whole Foods. And some goods are exported, including to countries that have had products blocked from entering the U.S. for using forced or prison labor.

Many of the companies buying directly from prisons are violating their own policies against the use of such labor. But it’s completely legal, dating back largely to the need for labor to help rebuild the South’s shattered economy after the Civil War. Enshrined in the Constitution by the 13th Amendment, slavery and involuntary servitude are banned – except as punishment for a crime.

That clause is currently being challenged on the federal level, and efforts to remove similar language from state constitutions are expected to reach the ballot in about a dozen states this year.

Some prisoners work on the same plantation soil where slaves harvested cotton, tobacco and sugarcane more than 150 years ago, with some present-day images looking eerily similar to the past. In Louisiana, which has one of the country’s highest incarceration rates, men working on the “farm line” still stoop over crops stretching far into the distance.
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If you guys knew about what really goes on in county jails and state prisons. You would know that the inmates want to get on a work detail.

Whether it is picking up trash or working at the county landfill or working at the animal shelter. It helps pass the time, break up the boredom and gets you outside in the fresh air and away from the facility.

Before you go off on a liberal tangent GoU. Try and think about how boring sitting in jail day after day would be.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:16 pm If you guys knew about what really goes on in county jails and state prisons. You would know that the inmates want to get on a work detail.

Whether it is picking up trash or working at the county landfill or working at the animal shelter. It helps pass the time, break up the boredom and gets you outside in the fresh air and away from the facility.

Before you go off on a liberal tangent GoU. Try and think about how boring sitting in jail day after day would be.
So it’s better for businesses to pay prisoners pennies instead of paying people that, you know, obey the law.

Dunno if it’s still true, but some years ago - about a decade - the largest printer in Florida was the prison system. They competed and undercut all the other printing companies in the state.

Not surprised you’re in favor of these things. Slavery by another name.
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gounion wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:19 pm So it’s better for businesses to pay prisoners pennies instead of paying people that, you know, obey the law.

Dunno if it’s still true, but some years ago - about a decade - the largest printer in Florida was the prison system. They competed and undercut all the other printing companies in the state.

Not surprised you’re in favor of these things. Slavery by another name.
Prison industry is not business and yes we know about the Florida printing that used to go on. They were probably limited to printing papers, documents etc for the state.
I know at one time McDonald's employed state prisoners here in SC. But they were paid the same wage as everyone else.
So instead of giving inmates an incentive for good behavior by letting them get on an outside work detail. We should just have them stare at the walls or watch tv all day. BTW the TV shows are selected by the toughest gang.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:44 pm Prison industry is not business and yes we know about the Florida printing that used to go on. They were probably limited to printing papers, documents etc for the state.
I know at one time McDonald's employed state prisoners here in SC. But they were paid the same wage as everyone else.
So instead of giving inmates an incentive for good behavior by letting them get on an outside work detail. We should just have them stare at the walls or watch tv all day. BTW the TV shows are selected by the toughest gang.
No, Glenn they weren’t. This was high-end printing that anyone could get. Let’s be clear about this: The federal prison system isn’t allowed to compete with private industry. They make things like furniture, that is used within the federal government.

But states are free to do what they want - and Florida is one state that does it to the max. You know I was involved in looking into this some years ago.- which is why I said that they were the top printer those years ago, I don’t know about now.

But here’s the website for PRIDE Enterprises - Florida’s for-profit prison labor system. https://www.pride-enterprises.org/#:~:t ... 0sentences.

Now the website says they are non-profit - not quite true, as they partner with all kinds of for-profit businesses that have contracts with them for the labor. But look at the bottom of the page to see all the products they sell.

It’s a racket. But what else would you expect?
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gounion wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:52 pm No, Glenn they weren’t. This was high-end printing that anyone could get. Let’s be clear about this: The federal prison system isn’t allowed to compete with private industry. They make things like furniture, that is used within the federal government.

But states are free to do what they want - and Florida is one state that does it to the max. You know I was involved in looking into this some years ago.- which is why I said that they were the top printer those years ago, I don’t know about now.

But here’s the website for PRIDE Enterprises - Florida’s for-profit prison labor system. https://www.pride-enterprises.org/#:~:t ... 0sentences.

Now the website says they are non-profit - not quite true, as they partner with all kinds of for-profit businesses that have contracts with them for the labor. But look at the bottom of the page to see all the products they sell.

It’s a racket. But what else would you expect?
OK let's say you are correct. So one state is out of line and likeva good liberal you use that as an example and excuse to scrap the entire system.

Do you even know anyone whose been to prison?
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 6:56 pm OK let's say you are correct. So one state is out of line and likeva good liberal you use that as an example and excuse to scrap the entire system.

Do you even know anyone whose been to prison?
Yep. But not in my family. Somehow you are an expert?

Oh, it’s not just one state. As I said, states can do what they want, and make their own laws.

Now, to me, I don’t think products made by prisoners paid a quarter an hour should compete with workers who obey the fucking law. I understand that you do. But not me.

I don’t mind the federal prison system’s policy. But again, I think that workers that obey the law should take precedence.

But of course corporations don’t see it that way, and you’re always going to defend them.

But I’ll say this - if you’re going to profit from prison labor, they should be paid a minimum wage and provided a safe workplace like anyone else. You should be able to profit off of them.
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gounion wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:02 pm Yep. But not in my family. Somehow you are an expert?

Oh, it’s not just one state. As I said, states can do what they want, and make their own laws.

Now, to me, I don’t think products made by prisoners paid a quarter an hour should compete with workers who obey the fucking law. I understand that you do. But not me.

I don’t mind the federal prison system’s policy. But again, I think that workers that obey the law should take precedence.

But of course corporations don’t see it that way, and you’re always going to defend them.

But I’ll say this - if you’re going to profit from prison labor, they should be paid a minimum wage and provided a safe workplace like anyone else. You should be able to profit off of them.
As far as I know they only did that in Florida. While other states only make products used by state agencies.
I don't know anyone who has ever been in federal prison
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 06, 2024 7:13 pm As far as I know they only did that in Florida. While other states only make products used by state agencies.
You are incorrect. But you can look those up yourself.
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