Let me be so bold as to suggest it is time to

[Libertas]

start talking amongst ourselves, the patriots, the people who believe in DEMOCRACY (even if it is a democratic republic version of democracy) and equal rights for all, about what are we going to do when, not if, GOP election officials in states they control refuse to certify any election they lose this November.

What can we be saying NOW to our reps about how, maybe, they need to act URGENT when interviewed or talking to anyone especially the media.

Maybe Ted Lieu or Adam Schiff or Eric Swalwell need to let the F word fly in an interview, on purpose, to get ATTENTION to the DISASTER we are in the middle of and I dont even mean Covid, I mean red states passing laws to prevent voting and to allow them to ignore slates of electors, etc.

I tweeted to them about this, doubtful they will see it or if they do that they will act on it, but if someone doesn't make HEADLINES on some interview somewhere about the end of our democratic republic and soon, November will be a nightmare. That is for those of us not sick or dead from a virus rightwingers purposely enable.

If you want to talk to people who vote for these fascists, be my guest, I am not saying dont do that. I cant, I have RAGE inside me for them so I cant, not anymore. I think it does some good possibly when the adults talk rationally to people acting like children, but I think of how many YEARS this has gone on, starting with Obama and birth certificates, or WAY before even that!

I am ranting because I think we are close to being out of time...I tend to assume cons will do the worst and as a result it seems rather easy to predict what will happen next.

Just now on MSNBC poll that 34% says violence is justified and they mean justified if they lose. How many more will say or do NOTHING when violence happens, like we see here on this board?

And now adding his voice to what we are saying and the generals said the other day, former Homeland Scy under Obama, Jeh Johnson, saying we are likely to see another Jan 6 and that extremist thinking is becoming mainstream.

I heard a poll that almost 40% of DEMOCRATS think our system of govt has never been stronger. DEMOCRATS saying this! I guess they wont see an urgency to vote in November

I post here because I look to Prof and Zowie and Gounion and Marindem and CJ and Drak and Number6 and others to talk me down, guide me when I go astray. I am forgetting names, sorry. I appreciate the times Sam has given me DIY that I could use, but I cant talk to anyone anymore who is more concerned about how we talk about fascists than what the fascists are themselves doing.

Please WRITE to your reps ESPECIALLY if they are Dems and tell them they need to be talking to anyone and everyone with URGENCY in their voices! I have and will continue to do so.

Thank you, my fellow patriots, liberals, progressives, Democrats. I know I can be obnoxious but I cant help but see the worst things, I wish I could see the best things, but I rarely do, I always need help with that.

Stay healthy so we can fight to save our country.

[ZoWie]

Right now, with unimaginable spikes in Omicron causing local health systems to collapse, we have a lot more on our plate than what's going to happen three years from now in an election.

If the government can talk the people down by taking a strong response to the covid, then the math of the situation will kick in and most people will vote based on that come November. If not, then we will lose both houses and Biden will have one-termer written all over him.

I can't give you a rational suggestion right now because I need to be talked down. I have a call in to a medical person, but I don't expect an answer on what I should and should not be doing any time soon. The system in LA is in a state of collapse. It is mathematically possible, however unlikely, that the entire county will have the virus by this time next week. You look at the chart for all cases (averaged 3 or 7 days) since this started two years ago, and what you see is a vertical line at the right end. That's right now. One can speculate on better tracing, more testing, and other reasons that cases get counted better now, but the first reflex at least for me is fight or flight.

This makes it hard to think about the lunatic right, the increased reach of conspiracy theories, or the armed terrorists who get away with it because they're white Protestants in conservative communities. That's for next week. This week is all covid all the time.

Wartime measures are indicated.

[Glennfs]

First it is not going to happen.
Secondly it wasn't very long ago that it was progressives who were trying to overturn election results.

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-coll ... responsive

Any future attempts by either party will have the same results as past attempts by both parties

[Libertas]

Right now, with unimaginable spikes in Omicron causing local health systems to collapse, we have a lot more on our plate than what's going to happen three years from now in an election.

If the government can talk the people down by taking a strong response to the covid, then the math of the situation will kick in and most people will vote based on that come November. If not, then we will lose both houses and Biden will have one-termer written all over him.

I can't give you a rational suggestion right now because I need to be talked down. I have a call in to a medical person, but I don't expect an answer on what I should and should not be doing any time soon. The system in LA is in a state of collapse. It is mathematically possible, however unlikely, that the entire county will have the virus by this time next week. You look at the chart for all cases (averaged 3 or 7 days) since this started two years ago, and what you see is a vertical line at the right end. That's right now. One can speculate on better tracing, more testing, and other reasons that cases get counted better now, but the first reflex at least for me is fight or flight.

This makes it hard to think about the lunatic right, the increased reach of conspiracy theories, or the armed terrorists who get away with it because they're white Protestants in conservative communities. That's for next week. This week is all covid all the time.

Wartime measures are indicated.

Agree, although one tiny point please, I am not talking about 2024 (although the intent to change which electors they can send, these fascists, applies to 2024 I know), I am talking about this November. But YOU are correct, there is going to be so much sickness and death between now and then, partly due to trump supporters who refuse to be vaccinated, that we may never see November let alone 2024.

As to is righty still denying not only what happened a year ago but what the future holds, yep...right here in River City you can see it, dont have to go far. sigh

I see you said you were waiting for medical response? Care to expand? Symptoms?

[ZoWie]

Oh, we'll know by this November whether the current administration has done the least little thing to help fight this plague on the local level. If it does, with rally-the-home-front speeches and real boots on the ground in places needing them, the people will reward it. If not, it will own the worst pandemic in a century, and it won't stand a snowball's chance in hell.

That's the best I can do right now, except to note that our other plague, the proliferation of credible fascists spreading their filth and disinfo and agitprop on the Internet, is probably self-limiting and we can deal with it. But first things first... we need a national emergency for covid.

[Libertas]

Oh, we'll know by this November whether the current administration has done the least little thing to help fight this plague on the local level. If it does, with rally-the-home-front speeches and real boots on the ground in places needing them, the people will reward it. If not, it will own the worst pandemic in a century, and it won't stand a snowball's chance in hell.

That's the best I can do right now, except to note that our other plague, the proliferation of credible fascists spreading their filth and disinfo and agitprop on the Internet, is probably self-limiting and we can deal with it. But first things first... we need a national emergency for covid.

What would you ask of the federal govt in this regard if you were able to tell them?

[ZoWie]

People are in a panic. Give a speech.

The health system in LA County has collapsed. Other places seem to be doing better, but that's what I see here. 5 hour waits for tests. Lines one mile long for tests. Can't beg a home test or a real N95 mask anywhere. Stories on the news about pills that can help if you get sick. No way to find out how to get them, or if they even exist except as experimental drugs.

These are logistical issues. We have institutions and laws in place that would facilitate a decisive response and by this time next week we'd start seeing at least something looking like action. FEMA command posts downtown. Boots on the ground. Community outreach. Mobile test sites everywhere, like the three (3) three in Times Square. They can do it, obviously, so why the disaster here?

After that, we need wartime production and distribution of the tools that enable the public to cope at a local level, and whatever medical responses are deemed necessary before the next variant emerges. Hold meetings, get resources staged, get going. Go on TV and talk about it. Talk Americans down before they're as scared as I am and the country fragments even worse than now. Whatever the 21st century versions of the Depression and WWII fireside chats are.

[Libertas]

I want you to see this first

https://shop.projectn95.org/demetech-dt ... ox-of-20/p

and on Costco.com they have some good ones also...

The ones at Costco.com you could have delivered pretty fast, the project place it is about 7 days.

[ZoWie]

We're OK on masks, but thanks for the suggestions. We have a box of 20 NIOSH N95s that should do the job until this current spike dies down. I wore one a couple of days ago, and it was easy to breathe through but still sealed around the nose.

Someone needs to be telling other people in LA that you can't just walk around crowded places with no mask on at all. Or how to get a test that doesn't cost $200, involve a 4-5 hour wait in line, or both. Or just a pep talk. Anything.

The Nooz has gone wall to wall with lurid tales of horror, and people are starting to lose it. Our leaders are frozen in the headlights, mumbling about how they've got it, when obviously they don't at all.

The acute situation will be different in a month, but what about next time? This is existential for the Biden administration.

[Libertas]

We're OK on masks, but thanks for the suggestions. We have a box of 20 NIOSH N95s that should do the job until this current spike dies down. I wore one a couple of days ago, and it was easy to breathe through but still sealed around the nose.

Someone needs to be telling other people in LA that you can't just walk around crowded places with no mask on at all. Or how to get a test that doesn't cost $200, involve a 4-5 hour wait in line, or both. Or just a pep talk. Anything.

The Nooz has gone wall to wall with lurid tales of horror, and people are starting to lose it.

The acute situation will be different in a month, but what about next time? This is existential for the Biden administration.

Is the mask you are using like this one? Flat fold version...per picture.

[Libertas]

or like this one, this is the Costco mask

[ZoWie]

The box of 20 is the first kind, and I also have one of the second kind. That one is full industrial strength, with the government logos all over it, and I can wear it in busy spaces. It's a lot harder to breathe through.

It's still scary. One expects there to be a health system, but right here, right now, there is none.

[Libertas]

The box of 20 is the first kind, and I also have one of the second kind. That one is full industrial strength and I can wear it in busy spaces.

It's still scary. One expects there to be a health system, but right here, right now, there is none.

I went thru 100 of the Costco version, then bought another box and they fit tighter, didnt like the fit, returned them a while back.

I have 20 of the flat and another 20 coming, I might get the box of 100 from Costco also and double mask, as I have been doing, I put the flat fold on first then the other.

[ZoWie]

Masks though aren't really the problem.

The problem is that we were promised tests several weeks ago, back around Thanksgiving, and told everything would be just fine. Nothing came of it. Now it's too late.

This has to stop or the right wingers get the country back.

[gounion]

First it is not going to happen.
Secondly it wasn't very long ago that it was progressives who were trying to overturn election results.

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-coll ... responsive

Any future attempts by either party will have the same results as past attempts by both parties

Wow. A petition. A leedle bit different than an attack on the Capitol and a President calling Governors demanding to "find" thousands of votes.

Talk about false equivalency!

[Drak]

Wow. A petition. A leedle bit different than an attack on the Capitol and a President calling Governors demanding to "find" thousands of votes.

Talk about false equivalency!

Glenn's constant defense of Jan 6th makes him complicit.

[Glennfs]

Glenn's constant defense of Jan 6th makes him complicit.

I don't defend the riot and am very pleased the rioters are being charged and convicted.
As for attempting to overturn the EC results I was opposed to it when Democrats were doing it and opposed to trump and his cronies attempting to do it

[Glennfs]

Agree, although one tiny point please, I am not talking about 2024 (although the intent to change which electors they can send, these fascists, applies to 2024 I know), I am talking about this November. But YOU are correct, there is going to be so much sickness and death between now and then, partly due to trump supporters who refuse to be vaccinated, that we may never see November let alone 2024.

As to is righty still denying not only what happened a year ago but what the future holds, yep...right here in River City you can see it, dont have to go far. sigh

I see you said you were waiting for medical response? Care to expand? Symptoms?

Thanks for the explanation. There is no chance of that happening especially considering that as of today the Republican Party is expected to win back both the house and Senate.

[Glennfs]

Wow. A petition. A leedle bit different than an attack on the Capitol and a President calling Governors demanding to "find" thousands of votes.

Talk about false equivalency!

I bet more than one person here endorsed and probably signed the petition.

[gounion]

I bet more than one person here endorsed and probably signed the petition.

I doubt it. People here believe in the Constitution and rule of law.

[Drak]

I don't defend the riot and am very pleased the rioters are being charged and convicted.
As for attempting to overturn the EC results I was opposed to it when Democrats were doing it and opposed to trump and his cronies attempting to do it

You constantly spread disinformation about J6 and push false equivalencies, like you're doing now. Like talking about some Democrats opposing the EC. While Trump attempted a full on coup.

Go watch Garland's presser and catch up.

[Libertas]

You constantly spread disinformation about J6 and push false equivalencies, like you're doing now. Like talking about some Democrats opposing the EC. While Trump attempted a full on coup.

Go watch Garland's presser and catch up.

I would refuse to speak to anyone who calls Jan 6 a riot.

[gounion]

You constantly spread disinformation about J6 and push false equivalencies, like you're doing now. Like talking about some Democrats opposing the EC. While Trump attempted a full on coup.

Go watch Garland's presser and catch up.

I guess he figures the AG is lying.

[Libertas]

You constantly spread disinformation about J6 and push false equivalencies, like you're doing now. Like talking about some Democrats opposing the EC. While Trump attempted a full on coup.

Go watch Garland's presser and catch up.

I suppose given he is authorizing another coup, he has to lie to himself.

No surprise that these fuckers would continue to call it a riot and compare it to ANYTHING anyone who has ever done before. Said con might as well have been there himself that day with a baseball bat.

[ProfX]

Somebody put a petition on change.org!

That is so totally the same as storming through Congress with weapons, threatening to hang Mike Pence, rifling through Congressional offices seeking to harm or kill politicians that had to hide, planting bombs, and putting several Capitol police in the hospital.

SO totally the same!