Here's the real reason there's a border problem

[ZoWie]

Multiply this one situation by the number of other countries that have similar economic and civil order issues, and you've got it. Putting razor wire in a river won't stop migration when tens of thousands flee for their lives.

BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-68462851

Haiti's government declared a 72-hour state of emergency on Sunday after armed gangs stormed a major prison. At least 12 people were killed and about 3,700 inmates escaped in the jailbreak.

Gang leaders are demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Ariel Henry, whose whereabouts are unknown since he travelled to Kenya.

Gangs control around 80% of the capital, Port-au-Prince.

Gang violence has plagued Haiti for years.

[gounion]

And the attacks from the GOP on all immigrants is just getting nastier and nastier. Hate is all they have to sell.

[Glennfs]

And the attacks from the GOP on all immigrants is just getting nastier and nastier. Hate is all they have to sell.

One day you claim to be against open borders the next day you are for open borders

About a month ago you claimed there was no border crisis now you say there is a border crisis and it's the republicans fault.

I don't know what the democratic party can do to fix the mesthey caused on our southern border. From a PR standpoint probably nothing.

I would suggest that Biden should take responsibility admit to his failed policies. Then pledge to fix it with the new congress. Throwing in he would like to fix it now but the republican party is refusing to work with him.
That is what Reagan did after the crisis in Libya. But of course Reagan was a true leader unlike Biden or Trump or any republican or Democrat you or I could name today.

[gounion]

One day you claim to be against open borders the next day you are for open borders

About a month ago you claimed there was no border crisis now you say there is a border crisis and it's the republicans fault.

I don't know what the democratic party can do to fix the mesthey caused on our southern border. From a PR standpoint probably nothing.

I would suggest that Biden should take responsibility admit to his failed policies. Then pledge to fix it with the new congress. Throwing in he would like to fix it now but the republican party is refusing to work with him.
That is what Reagan did after the crisis in Libya. But of course Reagan was a true leader unlike Biden or Trump or any republican or Democrat you or I could name today.

THERE. IS. NO. SUCH. THING. AS. OPEN. BORDERS.

It's a Donald Trump talking point, and you believe everything Dear Leader says.

He had negotiated a bi-partisan border deal, increasing agents and judges.

Donald Trump ordered the Republicans in the Senate and Congress to kill it.

So your party just took ownership - and blame - of the issue as a failure.

[ZoWie]

Agreed that the Republicans have enforced inaction on the border situation in order to gin up an issue that resonates with paranoid Americans.

[Glennfs]

THERE. IS. NO. SUCH. THING. AS. OPEN. BORDERS.

It's a Donald Trump talking point, and you believe everything Dear Leader says.

He had negotiated a bi-partisan border deal, increasing agents and judges.

Donald Trump ordered the Republicans in the Senate and Congress to kill it.

So your party just took ownership - and blame - of the issue as a failure.

So how many million of illegal aliens does it take before you would consider it an open border

[Glennfs]

https://news.yahoo.com/joe-biden-promis ... 38871.html

Here is where Biden caused the current border problems

[ZoWie]

Biden could not cause the border problems because Biden has been prevented from changing any border policy due to orders from on high to the Republican apparatchiks in Congress to keep the status quo as a campaign issue.

I can document how this happened, citing facts and naming names, but you would probably accuse me of cherry picking and I have work to do, so it would be the usual problem that I would be wasting vast amounts of my time talking to rocks and expecting a conversation.

[JoeMemphis]

Biden could not cause the border problems because Biden has been prevented from changing any border policy due to orders from on high to the Republican apparatchiks in Congress to keep the status quo as a campaign issue.

I can document how this happened, citing facts and naming names, but you would probably accuse me of cherry picking and I have work to do, so it would be the usual problem that I would be wasting vast amounts of my time talking to rocks and expecting a conversation.

There is two sides to this story. Biden actually had the same authority that Bush, Obama and Trump had available to them. They were actually able to exert control over the border. But Biden isn’t able? He has no problem issuing executive orders when it suit him. He has no problem ignoring the law when it suits him. So let’s no pretend he has no responsibility for this mess. He is the one ignoring the law when it comes to parole. He is the one who ended remain in Mexico. He is the one who all but invited these migrants in his campaign for the office.

I will allow that Republicans should have moved the border bill forward thru regular order. I will also point out that the House border bill has been sitting on Schumer’s desk for over a year. Shouldn’t he have picked it up and moved the process over a year ago. The President has ignored this problem from the day he took office and is only now admitting it’s a problem. That’s not on Republicans. That’s on him and the public knows it.

[ZoWie]

Biden shares blame in not being more forceful in the face of massive public panic (however orchestrated it was), but keep in mind that had he done so, the Republicans in Congress would have exploited the situation to their benefit.

I always said that he should have put on a show, sending troops to the Texas border mostly as a pre-emptive strike on a potential loss-making issue in November, so you can't say I ignored the problem. Hell, they're sending troops to the New York subway, what's the problem?

I won't get into the underlying issues of climate change, organized crime, and economic inequality, because that would be like talking to a rock. We are in an election year, and no one wants to be confused by facts.

[JoeMemphis]

Biden shares blame in not being more forceful, but keep in mind that had he done so, the Republicans in Congress would have exploited the situation to their benefit. It's a fixed fight.

Biden should have followed immigration law and we would be having a much different conversation. He isn’t the victim here. He unlocked the door and invited them in and now you are complaining that he should have been more forceful. How exactly?

He ran for the job and you are complaining because he is weak. Maybe the party should have made better choices.

[ZoWie]

I forgot that we disagree on the fundamentals of the situation. My bad, sorry.

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[gounion]

Biden should have followed immigration law and we would be having a much different conversation. He isn’t the victim here. He unlocked the door and invited them in and now you are complaining that he should have been more forceful. How exactly?

He ran for the job and you are complaining because he is weak. Maybe the party should have made better choices.

Oh, bullshit. Look at the choices the GOP made. The Dems are golden compared to YOUR party.

And yes, you ONLY vote Republican, so it’s YOUR party.

As for what Biden is doing, you may be too stupid to know this, but a President is not a King - at least not yet. With a divided legislature filled with Republicans that want to block everything he does, and judges that knock down his actions for political reasons, it’s not his fault.

Just like Mitch McConnell said when Obama took office, the entire GOP’s job was to ensure Obama was a one-term President. Not to do the people’s business, but to win the next election.

[ZoWie]

Biden introduced several proposed bills for increased border security and faster immigration processing, and we all know who refuses to let them come to the floor. In a country with a news media that does its job, Americans would be clear on who is keeping the problem festering.

[JoeMemphis]

Biden introduced several proposed bills for increased border security and faster immigration processing, and we all know who refuses to let them come to the floor. In a country with a news media that does its job, Americans would be clear on who is keeping the problem festering.

The house also passed a bill on the border that went nowhere in the Senate a year and a half ago. Why didn’t the Senate act on it? Wasn’t that also political? Schumer was perfectly happy to allow the problem to fester.

What is ignored is that Biden opened the border via executive action without a plan in place. Not a look before you leap policy but the other way around. He created this crisis. He may have hoped to get a policy passed. He may have hoped to force Republicans into a corner. But bottomline he opened the floodgates and now he doesn’t know how to close them without admitting he fucked this up to begin with.

Bill get proposed all the time and many of them go nowhere. It’s idiotic to implement a policy banking on something getting passed thru Congress. Biden knows this. He didn’t care. I don’t think he cares now. He only cares now because his polling on this issue sucks and he can’t defend his policy.

[gounion]

The house also passed a bill on the border that went nowhere in the Senate a year and a half ago. Why didn’t the Senate act on it? Wasn’t that also political? Schumer was perfectly happy to allow the problem to fester.

What is ignored is that Biden opened the border via executive action without a plan in place. Not a look before you leap policy but the other way around. He created this crisis. He may have hoped to get a policy passed. He may have hoped to force Republicans into a corner. But bottomline he opened the floodgates and now he doesn’t know how to close them without admitting he fucked this up to begin with.

Bill get proposed all the time and many of them go nowhere. It’s idiotic to implement a policy banking on something getting passed thru Congress. Biden knows this. He didn’t care. I don’t think he cares now. He only cares now because his polling on this issue sucks and he can’t defend his policy.

None of this is true, of course.

The GOP negotiated a border deal, then Trump told them to vote it down. They had what they wanted, all they had to do was pass it, the Dems were all on board.

But you can’t take responsibility for any of your own actions. I bet when it’s raining on a day you planned to be outside, you say “fucking Biden!”

[ZoWie]

You guys could both be right. The genesis of the problem is hazy for me, but in the most recent go-round it was held hostage to make sure that the issue persisted until the election. This came straight from the top, namely the drumpf cabal. The Republican leaders in Congress got their marching orders, and as we know the Republicans march in lockstep.

What has conveniently been forgotten is that drumpf's solution was to build a wall, which in a country the size of this one is easier said than done. This isn't Gaza, and in fact we all know what started the current war there. Walls have a way of not working.

[JoeMemphis]

You guys could both be right. The genesis of the problem is hazy for me, but in the most recent go-round it was held hostage to make sure that the issue persisted until the election. This came straight from the top, namely the drumpf cabal. The Republican leaders in Congress got their marching orders, and as we know the Republicans march in lockstep.

What has conveniently been forgotten is that drumpf's solution was to build a wall, which in a country the size of this one is easier said than done. This isn't Gaza, and in fact we all know what started the current war there. Walls have a way of not working.

If Republicans March in lockstep then why isn’t Kevin McCarthy Speaker of the House? If Republicans March in Lockstep why is it that roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of them say they will never vote for Trump. Seems to me the party that Marches in lockstep is on the other side of the aisle. As I recall it was a point of pride how Pelosi could get her Caucaus to fall in line. That sounds like lockstep to me.

What you continue to forget or ignore is that Biden took a problem that was manageable and with the stroke of a pen made it multiple worse. He did it without a plan as to what to do with all these migrants. That was three years ago. Not a few months. But three years ago. He’s been to the border a couple of times. Kamala has been to the border a couple of times. They have constantly downplayed, denied, deflected and gaslighted that this was even a problem. “The border is closed”. “The border is secure”. “We take this problem very seriously.” And on and on and on. Only recently have they even acknowledged the scope of the problem. Nothing has changed since he put all this in motion and only now in an election year when polls matter does he admit there is a crisis at the border.

Zowie, I agree that Republicans and Democrats need to work on advancing the proposals in Congress in regular order. Amend them where needed. But make no mistake, this administration has ignored this problem from the start. He never missed a trip to the beach. So he wasn’t all that concerned and neither was Schumer. So all this BS about not having the ability or legal authority is just that. BS. The President has all the legal authority he needs to close the border. His predecessors were able to manage.

Republicans aren’t interested in codifying his current failed policy into law. So they should amend the proposed bill to close those loopholes and improve the bill.

[Glennfs]

None of this is true, of course.

The GOP negotiated a border deal, then Trump told them to vote it down. They had what they wanted, all they had to do was pass it, the Dems were all on board.

But you can’t take responsibility for any of your own actions. I bet when it’s raining on a day you planned to be outside, you say “fucking Biden!”

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/07/politics ... index.html

So none of what is listed in this link.has anything to do with Biden’s open borders. It all the republicans fault.

[gounion]

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/07/politics ... index.html

So none of what is listed in this link.has anything to do with Biden’s open borders. It all the republicans fault.

Did the GOP demand a border deal, then negotiated what they wanted, then refused to vote for it after Dear Leader told them no?

Is that true or false?

No one can predict the future - and things have happened south of our border that has caused the refugee crisis. That and our corporations will hire any illegal that makes it across the border.

Like in Texas. They LOVE hiring illegals.

[Glennfs]

Did the GOP demand a border deal, then negotiated what they wanted, then refused to vote for it after Dear Leader told them no?

Is that true or false?

No one can predict the future - and things have happened south of our border that has caused the refugee crisis. That and our corporations will hire any illegal that makes it across the border.

Like in Texas. They LOVE hiring illegals.

So you choose to ignore all the things Biden did which are listed in the link.
Instead blame Biden's mistakes on the republicans.

[gounion]

So you choose to ignore all the things Biden did which are listed in the link.
Instead blame Biden's mistakes on the republicans.

I knew you’d run away from the question.

More guards and more judges cost money, and the President can’t do that.

You don’t want a solution, you want a weapon against Biden - because you have nothing else, and you know the abortion issue is going to be bad for you.

[Glennfs]

I knew you’d run away from the question.

More guards and more judges cost money, and the President can’t do that.

You don’t want a solution, you want a weapon against Biden - because you have nothing else, and you know the abortion issue is going to be bad for you.

So are the things listed in the link Biden's fault and did they contribute to the surge?

[gounion]

So are the things listed in the link Biden's fault and did they contribute to the surge?

You refuse to answer my question. You don’t want a solution, you want a weapon to use against Biden. You don’t really care about illegal immigration at all, since you defend the Governor of Texas for allowing the employers in his state to hire so many illegals.

[Toonces]

Biden reversed Title 42 because the emergency was no longer in place. It's only available as an option when there is an emergency, such as a pandemic. Once the pandemic was declared as being over, it could no longer be applied to the situation. Continuing would have been a violation of the law.

If you want a border solution, you must pass new/different laws. It cannot be done unilaterally by the president. If it could, then Donald would have done it, but he didn't. I'm assuming that you want Biden to follow the laws of the United States, no? If not, say so.

Ending having migrants remain in Mexico, the only real change made by Biden, violated US and International law. Urge your representatives to change the laws.

Absolutely, many migrants are abusing the system, but these laws are in place for a reason and that's to protect innocent lives. Sadly, many people just didn't make the right choice to be born in a safe and prosperous country, like you fine folks did.

Strangely, there doesn't seem to be as much hatred towards those undocumented folks who didn't arrive by crossing the southern border. Weird. Probably an oversight.