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Via CNN:
Samuel Felinton shuffled into his high school auditorium last week for what his teacher told him was a mandatory assembly. Little did he know, the guest speaker was an evangelical preacher holding a Christian revival assembly.

Despite asking, Felinton, who is Jewish, says he wasn't allowed to be excused from it.

On February 2, students involved in the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, a non-profit Christian sports ministry, conducted an assembly during a non-instructional homeroom period at Huntington High School in Huntington, West Virginia, Cabell County Schools spokesperson Jedd Flowers told CNN in a statement.

During the meeting, Felinton says Nik Walker, an evangelical preacher, instructed the auditorium to close their eyes, raise their arms in prayer to give their lives over to Jesus for purpose and salvation. Those who didn't follow the Bible, he said, would go to hell when they died.

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On the day of the assembly, Felinton asked his teacher for permission to leave but says he was denied that opportunity.

"Student attendance was voluntary, and there was a signup process in place prior to the event so teachers would know what students had requested to attend," said Flowers, the Cabell County Schools spokesperson.

Felinton, however, says his teacher left he and his peers no choice about attending and offered no details on what the assembly was about prior to them walking into the auditorium.

"Two teachers mistakenly took their entire class to the assembly," Flowers said. "Those teachers have been corrected and the district does not anticipate a similar issue in the future."

Flowers would not comment on what, if any, disciplinary action has been taken against the two teachers, how many students attended the assembly. He did not elaborate on what the school and district is doing to ensure an incident like this doesn't happen again.
What a fucking lie. They knew what they were doing.

They say you have freedom of religion. Uh, yeah, freedom of what flavor or Evangelical Christianity you prefer, nothing else. One thing conservatives will tell is that the Constitution does NOT guarantee freedom FROM religion.

No one has a right to try to shove their faith down my throat.
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Xtianity, or rightwings version of it, will be forced on all kids when MAGA takes over.

Jewish folks and Muslims will be deported or worse.

Gay folks the same.

Anybody think that is an exaggeration?

Time to get REAL SERIOUS about protecting our country, folks.
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Libertas wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:43 pm Xtianity, or rightwings version of it, will be forced on all kids when MAGA takes over.

Jewish folks and Muslims will be deported or worse.

Gay folks the same.

Anybody think that is an exaggeration?
Well, the only reason it hasn't happened before now is that we've got this Mexican standoff of sects of the Evangelical cults, and they won't fall under one umbrella and like to fight amongst themselves. Plus, the are a minority - a large one, but a minority nonetheless of Christians, well, if you include Catholics. They always hated Catholics until they decided to make peace over their shared hatred of abortion rights.
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"Freedom of Religion", what a fucking joke. As long as you are a so-called, "Christian", there is all kinds of freedom. As long as you are NOT Catholic, Presbyterian or for god's sake a Jew or Muslim. If you ain't a Foot Washing Baptist, you ain't a Christian.

Time to all those so-called "Christians", there is not State Mandated, State Sanctioned, State Controlled Religion in this country. Fuck you if you say there is.
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gounion wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:47 pm Well, the only reason it hasn't happened before now is that we've got this Mexican standoff of sects of the Evangelical cults, and they won't fall under one umbrella and like to fight amongst themselves. Plus, the are a minority - a large one, but a minority nonetheless of Christians, well, if you include Catholics. They always hated Catholics until they decided to make peace over their shared hatred of abortion rights.
And I agree with something CJ said here today, it is NOT about religion.

It is about white conservatism, white supremacists, etc.

I am an atheist and can show you faults of all organized religion, but when you ADD the white con/supremacist factor to it, it transforms religion into the worst possible thing.
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gounion wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:36 pm Via CNN:
Uh, yeah, freedom of what flavor or Evangelical Christianity you prefer, nothing else.
Well...it's white conservative Christian nationalism, not "Evangelical Christianity." The two are not one in the same.

MLK's Progressive National Baptist Convention was "Evangelical Christianity," so was Rev. Joseph Jackson of the National Baptist Convention USA, Inc., another Black Evangelical who was one of MLK's most vocal critics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_H._Jackson

The NBC USA Inc. is the largest Black denomination in this country, and also was, at the time.

Difference: Jackson was a conservative trying to claim he was a moderate.

Obviously, he was not a white conservative, or what people now know as white Evangelical conservatives, which is what you're talking about.

Conservatism is the problem. Conservative Christianity, be it conservative Catholicism, conservative Evangelicalism, conservative Orthodoxy, conservtive etc., is the problem. White-conservative forms of all of these branches of Christianity is lethal, starting with its own adherents, let alone anyone else.

Happily, whites don't rule "Evangelical Christianity," never have, and still don't. That's because we made the religion they imposed by deadly force unrecognizable to them.
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I'm glad these kids staged a walkout, because this event was illegal.

It reminds me of when the KKK held rallies at the public jr. high in my hometown.

Like then, it's another flex of white-Evangelical nationalist conservatism, the cult religion of USian white supremacists.

A lot like one need not be white to be a white supremacist, one need not be Christian to be a Christian nationalist. You can convert like Nikki Haley and Bobby Jindal and Marvin Olasky (the guy who coined the phrase/oxymoron "compassionate conservatism"). Or you can just slime into bed with them like Mel Gibson, or a ton of anti-minority white-ethnic Catholics like these creepazoids.

Sept. 21, 1947 • Parents protest after St. Louis Catholic schools are integrated - St. Louis Today, 1947

There are a ton of something-to-prove wasp-aspirant Catholics like these people then, and their MAGA children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren, today.
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marindem01 wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:58 pm "Freedom of Religion", what a fucking joke. As long as you are a so-called, "Christian", there is all kinds of freedom. As long as you are NOT Catholic, Presbyterian or for god's sake a Jew or Muslim. If you ain't a Foot Washing Baptist, you ain't a Christian.

Time to all those so-called "Christians", there is not State Mandated, State Sanctioned, State Controlled Religion in this country. Fuck you if you say there is.
This is sort of true.

The PC(USA) (Presbyterian Church USA) is a liberal denomination, and the 2nd largest in the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presbyterian_Church_(USA)

They accept LGBTQ pastors, LGBTQ ordination, and have had women's ordination since the early 1970s. (Took them 20 years to do it -- a friend of mine was in on that fight for all of those 20 years. But it's a part of church policy, now.)

PCA (Presbyterian Church in America), well they are a different story. That's because they are more of Calvinist than evangelistic theology. Same for Orthodox Presbyterians. They are the worst, and, being conservative as hell and even more Calvinist than the PCA, are the most miserable. :?

There is a lot to Presbyterianism in the US. But at least the largest body of them is a lot nicer than the others.
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"Freedom" to conservative whites means the "freedom" to run over anyone in their path. Including kids in a private school, kids in a public school, and other whites (where else do they even get their target practice before they come after the rest of us.)

Whether in secular form or religious form, that's all white conservatism is.
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Conservative white males like this dirty religious fascist start out by devouring their own, first.

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gounion wrote: Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:36 pm Via CNN:



What a fucking lie. They knew what they were doing.

They say you have freedom of religion. Uh, yeah, freedom of what flavor or Evangelical Christianity you prefer, nothing else. One thing conservatives will tell is that the Constitution does NOT guarantee freedom FROM religion.

No one has a right to try to shove their faith down my throat.
See where right wingers are involved you have no openminedness or patience.
The exact opposite of what you do when lefties are involved.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:59 pm See where right wingers are involved you have no openminedness or patience.
The exact opposite of what you do when lefties are involved.
There's nothing the right would do that you would speak against.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 3:59 pm See where right wingers are involved you have no openminedness or patience.
There is literally no reason to be "openminded" or "patient" with neonazi simps, neo-Confederates, warmongers, misogynists, racists, white supremacists, white nationalists, anti-Muslim bigots, anti-immigrant bigots, or people who let QAnon gun nuts take over your party.

Not a one.

Unless you really believe people must be "openminded" and "patient" with our own destruction. It would fit with your overall elitism and supremacism.

Perhaps you also believe chickens ought to be "openminded" and "patient" with Colonel Sanders.
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gounion wrote: Tue Feb 15, 2022 4:52 pm There's nothing the right would do that you would speak against.
He'll jump at the chance to vote for whatever it is, then call "the left" closed minded and impatient.

I'm very glad -- and relieved -- to be thought of as closed minded against people actively intent on making me and everyone I know into second-class citizens, or simply just stripping our citizenship rights.

Anything else is irrational and counterintuitive.
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