Authorities charge Michigan school shooter with Terrorism

[gounion]

Thing is, even as they're busy defending the Crumbleys today, white-is-right Rightie is going to seize on this case as an opportunity to put away negro crime chicago parents. Watch for it....

Along the same lines, they're already using the mental health/oh but he was bullied excuse for this person. They never, EVER, invoke mental health, but he was bullied, etc., when they're complaining about chicago negro crime.

Wanna bet the right raises money to make bail for the parents?

[carmenjonze]

Wanna bet the right raises money to make bail for the parents?

They haven't already? Well that is a surprise.

And the same people donating to it will be the same fascists donating to Rittenhouse's various gofundme pocket-lining ventures. :problem:

[carmenjonze]

Yes, this psychotic mass murder mentality is shared by many here.

It is. They prop it up, facilitate it, and plan for their children and grandchildren to benefit from it.

[Libertas]

Wanna bet the right raises money to make bail for the parents?

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[Libertas]

It is. They prop it up, facilitate it, and plan for their children and grandchildren to benefit from it.

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gonna do a poll on DU

[ZoWie]

This should probably be in the looting California thread. I gave my opinion of the current crime wave around here. My understanding is that it's also pretty bad up where you are.

The problem has no solution, not with covid. Not with racism, and classism, and gun nuts, and general mistrust, all going crazy and running through the population faster than the fucking virus.

This thread is about the obviously very messed up Ohio kid, and his parents who:

Bought him a gun for Christmas and were proud of it,
Advocated many right wing positions,
Refused to take him home, so he was sent back to class and shot other students,
Fled prosecution, and crossed state lines with obvious intent to flee to Canada, so the US Marshals got in on it too, and
Are currently up on half a million each in bail, with the right busily raising the money to get them out.

[Libertas]

This should probably be in the looting California thread. I gave my opinion of the current crime wave around here. My understanding is that it's also pretty bad up where you are.

The problem has no solution, not with covid, and racism, and classism, and gun nuts, and general mistrust, all going crazy and running through the population faster than the fucking virus.

This thread is about Ohio kid, and his parents who:

Bought him a gun for Christmas and were proud of it,
Advocated many right wing positions,
Refused to take him home, so he was sent back to class and shot other students,
Fled prosecution, and crossed state lines with obvious intent to flee to Canada, so the US Marshals got in on it too, and
Are currently up on half a million each in bail, with the right busily raising the money to get them out.

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gonna do a poll on DU

[carmenjonze]

This should probably be in the looting California thread. I gave my opinion of the current crime wave around here. My understanding is that it's also pretty bad up where you are.

It's hyped up here at the expense of other problems, for clickbait.

The problem has no solution, not with covid. Not with racism, and classism, and gun nuts, and general mistrust, all going crazy and running through the population faster than the fucking virus.

This thread is about the obviously very messed up Ohio kid, and his parents who:

Bought him a gun for Christmas and were proud of it,
Advocated many right wing positions,
Refused to take him home, so he was sent back to class and shot other students,
Fled prosecution, and crossed state lines with obvious intent to flee to Canada, so the US Marshals got in on it too, and
Are currently up on half a million each in bail, with the right busily raising the money to get them out.

This country has a very serious, lethal, white-supremacy social problem that it has never dealt with, ever. I do not expect it to, not any time soon. Too many so-called whites are still very emotionally invested in keeping the social problem intact.

[Number6]

This should probably be in the looting California thread. I gave my opinion of the current crime wave around here. My understanding is that it's also pretty bad up where you are.

The problem has no solution, not with covid. Not with racism, and classism, and gun nuts, and general mistrust, all going crazy and running through the population faster than the fucking virus.

This thread is about the obviously very messed up Ohio kid, and his parents who:

Bought him a gun for Christmas and were proud of it,
Advocated many right wing positions,
Refused to take him home, so he was sent back to class and shot other students,
Fled prosecution, and crossed state lines with obvious intent to flee to Canada, so the US Marshals got in on it too, and
Are currently up on half a million each in bail, with the right busily raising the money to get them out.

It's obvious their son had problems and the parents knew it so what did they do to cheer him up; they buy him a handgun.
Parenting Done Wrong!

[ZoWie]

Take Two, rolling, and action:

There was a burglary wave here a couple of years back, and the perps were well known. It was a loose alliance of gangs from the usual places. Superficially, it looked racial, but any thought about it at all made it clear that once again race and class were too closely related to be separated.

The situation with the current smash & grabs was and still is identical to the looting that accompanied the #BLM street actions, where they knew the cops would be otherwise engaged. There have also been takeovers of outdoor restaurant dining areas, street shootings, and strong-arm 211s. In all cases, the perps are heavily masked, hooded really, and come in cars with the plates taken off, so there is no positive ID until someone is in custody. I sincerely doubt that the problem is race based, except where race intersects class. It's economic, but economics are hard to separate from racism in a place like LA where ethnic cleansing was de facto legal from Junipero Serra on.

The situation with the dead philanthropist is unknown. It comes at the end of a string of follow-home robberies, but it seems different too. The perp is Black, but so is the victim. It does not seem to be about race as much as class. The perp has a huge string of priors and was out on parole. He was only caught because he tried to hit another house the same night, but only managed to shoot himself in the foot with his own AR-15, at which point he personally called 911, essentially giving himself up.

The conclusion from all this is that LA is finally broken, and beyond all help from law enforcement. It was going to break, and everyone knew it, now it's broken. I see no solution, and of course it's just going to lead to more people carrying guns, legally or otherwise, or keeping them loaded and ready. There were already too many guns in LA, and it's going to get worse.

[Motor City]

This should probably be in the looting California thread. I gave my opinion of the current crime wave around here. My understanding is that it's also pretty bad up where you are.

The problem has no solution, not with covid. Not with racism, and classism, and gun nuts, and general mistrust, all going crazy and running through the population faster than the fucking virus.

This thread is about the obviously very messed up Ohio kid, and his parents who:

Bought him a gun for Christmas and were proud of it,
Advocated many right wing positions,
Refused to take him home, so he was sent back to class and shot other students,
Fled prosecution, and crossed state lines with obvious intent to flee to Canada, so the US Marshals got in on it too, and
Are currently up on half a million each in bail, with the right busily raising the money to get them out.

I dont understand even what the point of a 15 year old child having a semiautomatic handgun is, generally they dont have the temperment or maturity to handle such responsibility as that and from Friday to Wednesday in that little window of time it showed that in the most awful of ways.

[ZoWie]

I think in fact he was underage in OH, and that was one of the reasons they busted the parents.

The parents are notorious gun nuts.

[carmenjonze]

I dont understand even what the point of a 15 year old child having a semiautomatic handgun is, generally they dont have the temperment or maturity to handle such responsibility as that and from Friday to Wednesday in that little window of time it showed that in the most awful of ways.

The point is to defend conservative whites-rule and conservative white-sovereignty.

That's really the only point.

[Motor City]

I think in fact he was underage in OH, and that was one of the reasons they busted the parents.

The parents are notorious gun nuts.

no this was in Michigan north of Detroit's northern suburbs in a semi rural area, They ended up in Detroit. But yea its not legal for a kid to own a semi automatic or any handgun in Michigan, The Father had to fill out all the paperwork for it so its like a straw purchase.

[ZoWie]

Michael Moore in the Bowling for Columbine movie did make a parallel between the US's poor recovery from race-based slavery and the current infatuation with guns among conservative whites. Of course, in LA there are plenty of liberal whites who also consider guns essential for self-defense. And of course, it's just assumed that all bad guys of any race are packed, because even if they aren't wearing a handgun there's probably one in the car, and likely an AR back at home. In general, there are simply too many guns in LA, and the safe assumption everyone makes is that everyone else is armed.

[gounion]

I dont understand even what the point of a 15 year old child having a semiautomatic handgun is, generally they dont have the temperment or maturity to handle such responsibility as that and from Friday to Wednesday in that little window of time it showed that in the most awful of ways.

It's the culture of gun worship. After the news broke, Kentucky Republican Congressman Thomas Massie posted this Christmas photo of his family. He asked Santa to "bring more ammo". Doesn't this say "Christmas Peace and Joy" to everyone?

[Glennfs]

I dont understand even what the point of a 15 year old child having a semiautomatic handgun is, generally they dont have the temperment or maturity to handle such responsibility as that and from Friday to Wednesday in that little window of time it showed that in the most awful of ways.

They get a gun like that to learn gun safety and in many instances, I started to say most but sadly that probably isn't the case it isn't the kids first weapon.
The people I know who buy guns for their kids are themselves gun enthusiasts and while the gun might belong to little Johnny it stays put away with dad's guns and is only brought out when dad is present.

[Glennfs]

It's the culture of gun worship. After the news broke, Kentucky Republican Congressman Thomas Massie posted this Christmas photo of his family. He asked Santa to "bring more ammo". Doesn't this say "Christmas Peace and Joy" to everyone?

There is nothing wrong or illegal with people or a family owning weapons. Fact is there are very fun to shoot.
As for me I don't own any because I don't feel the need.
I live in the country and have a free roaming watch dog.
As for gun sports and hunting I wouldn't do the first enough to justify the cost and am not into hunting.
But being pro choice I don't believe my views on guns should be imposed on others.
How about you are you pro choice

[gounion]

They get a gun like that to learn gun safety and in many instances, I started to say most but sadly that probably isn't the case it isn't the kids first weapon.
The people I know who buy guns for their kids are themselves gun enthusiasts and while the gun might belong to little Johnny it stays put away with dad's guns and is only brought out when dad is present.

I doubt serious most gun nuts who want the whole family shooting lock their guns up. It's against their views, because they live in such fear that they must have their guns ready to pick up and fire at any moment. That's why, when there are guns in the home, more guns are used on friends or other family members - or for suicide - than are every used in self-defense against intruders.

They said the gun was a present for the kid. I'd say, given what we know now, that the parents didn't keep the gun.

[gounion]

There is nothing wrong or illegal with people or a family owning weapons. Fact is there are very fun to shoot.
As for me I don't own any because I don't feel the need.
I live in the country and have a free roaming watch dog.
As for gun sports and hunting I wouldn't do the first enough to justify the cost and am not into hunting.
But being pro choice I don't believe my views on guns should be imposed on others.
How about you are you pro choice

I think that gun worship is sick. Why would someone show their worship of guns like this, especially in response to the school shooting in Michigan?

[Glennfs]

I think that gun worship is sick. Why would someone show their worship of guns like this, especially in response to the school shooting in Michigan?

Now you understand the mindset of people who are opposed to abortion.
I didn't realize that photo was in response to the Michigan shooting I thought it was their family xmas card.
If in fact it is in response to the shooting that would be beyond wrong.

[Glennfs]

I think that gun worship is sick. Why would someone show their worship of guns like this, especially in response to the school shooting in Michigan?

I can't seem to find anything that proves that photo was in response to the school shooting. Do you have any proof.

[ProfX]

I'm "pro" the law being whether you buy the gun FOR junior, or just keep it in the house, you do your best to make sure it is secure from junior just deciding to grab and go ... as you say junior should only be shooting at a range or hunting with it when Papa is present.

Especially if junior is doodling drawings about feeling compulsions to hurt and kill people and searching for ammo on the Internet during the schoolday (noticeable enough the teacher saw it) ... junior's gun ought to be kept secure and away from him.

If that family in the photo is holding up those weapons because they use them for hunting, I guess they have a dinosaur problem in the area. Maybe it is for self defense, I guess the area has a large giant ninja squad attack problem.

[gounion]

I can't seem to find anything that proves that photo was in response to the school shooting. Do you have any proof.

It was put out right after. It's what the right always does in response to massacres.

Don't you think a responsible Congressman would think such a photo wouldn't be appropriate after another massacre?

[Drak]

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There is nothing wrong or illegal with people or a family owning weapons. Fact is there are very fun to shoot.
As for me I don't own any because I don't feel the need.
I live in the country and have a free roaming watch dog.
As for gun sports and hunting I wouldn't do the first enough to justify the cost and am not into hunting.
But being pro choice I don't believe my views on guns should be imposed on others.
How about you are you pro choice

That picture and messaging isn’t something good people would defend. Just a few days after a school shooting and on Christmas, since the Holiday is about peace, love etc. Disgusting.