How do cable news outlets stay in business....

[Glennfs]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyell ... -declines/

Other than Fox News
The rating for the other outlets are so dismal in comparison. Fox is even leading in the 26 to 54 category which I found amazing.
Even more surprising is MSNBC was behind even CNN in that demographic. Assuming that people who watch cable so called news shows are reliable voters it speaks volumes that Fox news has more viewers than the other networks combined.
That being said I can't help but believe networks are not making profits from their cable news outlets other than fox

[carmenjonze]

Conservative whites are eager to be propagandized and like being exploited, I guess.

[gounion]

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyell ... -declines/

Other than Fox News
The rating for the other outlets are so dismal in comparison. Fox is even leading in the 26 to 54 category which I found amazing.
Even more surprising is MSNBC was behind even CNN in that demographic. Assuming that people who watch cable so called news shows are reliable voters it speaks volumes that Fox news has more viewers than the other networks combined.
That being said I can't help but believe networks are not making profits from their cable news outlets other than fox

You may need to take a business class. I don't know that we can help you.

Here's an article from Variety on network ratings for 2020.

1. CBS 5,603 -21%
2. NBC 5,025 -20%
3. ABC 4,522 -12%
4. Fox 4,157 -10%
5. Fox News Channel 3,596 +43%
6. MSNBC 2,135 +23%
7. CNN 1,790 +83%
8. ESPN 1,500 -16%
9. Univision 1,445 +11%
10. TLC 1,365 +16%
11. HGTV 1,360 +5%
12. Hallmark Channel 1,214 -5%
13. Ion 1,200 -10%
14. TBS 1,062 -8%
15. History 1,054 -12%
16. Discovery Channel 1,034 -8%
17. Telemundo 1,003 -16%
18. TNT 991 -12%
19. Food Network 952 +1%
20. USA Network 902 -26%
21. A&E 822 -22%
22. Bravo 812 -8%
23. The CW 811 -26%
24. Investigation Discovery 770 -22%
25. Me TV 768 +7%
26. INSP 674 +9%
27. Lifetime 671 -5%
28. Hallmark Movies & Mysteries 639 +9%
29. AMC 594 -19%
30. FX 572 -19%
31. TV Land 568 -8%
32. Freeform 519 -14%
33. Adult Swim 517 -20%
34. Nickelodeon 494 -32%
35. Unimas 483 +18%
36. WE TV 475 -2%
37. Paramount Network 461 -1%
38. Syfy 451 -15%
39. Travel Channel 443 -11%
40. Nick at Nite 442 -20%
41. MTV 440 -27%
42. GSN 432 +6%
43. Animal Planet 414 -10%
Nat Geo 414 -9%
45. Grit 398 +6%
46. HBO 387 -38%
47. BET 379 +3%
48. Disney Channel 355 -33%
49. E! 350 -3%
50. Comedy Central 341 -5%
51. VH1 337 -37%
52. Nick Jr. 332 -17%
53. Oxygen 314 +5%
54. Disney Junior 310 -27%
55. OWN 301 -20%
56. Science Channel 291 -5%
57. LMN 281 -14%
58. Bounce TV 280 +1%
59. Cartoon Network 274 -29%
60. Nat Geo Wild 272 +5%
61. HLN 266 -3%
62. CNBC 249 +6%
63. Motor Trend 247 -5%
64. DIY 245 +21%
NBC Sports Network 245 -26%
66. BBC America 238 +4%
67. Fox Sports 1 236 -25%
68. FXX 233 -15%
69. CMT 232 +0%
70. NFL Network 231 -21%
71. WGN America 219 -33%
72. SundanceTV 212 -2%
73. Pop TV 209 +49%
74. Heroes and Icons 208 +6%
75. ESPN 2 207 -33%
IFC 207 -5%
77. Family Entertainment TV 203 +5%
78. TruTV 197 -20%
79. Laff 191 -14
80. Weather Channel 177 -5%
81. Estrella TV 168 -28%
82. Cozi 166 +11%
83. Start TV 163 +42%
84. Showtime 147 -19%
85. Court TV Mystery 146 -5%
86. Cooking Channel 142 -1%
87. Up 137 +28%
88. Newsmax TV 135 n/a
89. TV One 133 +1%
90. Galavision 129 +0%
Reelzchannel 129 -12%
92. FX Movie Channel 125 -7%
93. FYI 122 +13%
Smithsonian Channel 122 +15%
Starz 122 -16%
96. Hallmark Drama 114 +41%
97. Fox Business Network 103 +5%
98. Charge! 102 n/a
99. TUDN 101 -40%
100. Golf Channel 100 -16%
101. American Heroes Channel 97 +0%
102. Disney XD 94 -23%
103. Destination America 93 +26%
GAC 93 +4%
105. Boomerang 92 -7%
106. Comet 87 +13%
Nicktoons 87 -42%
Universo 87 +61%
109. Discovery en Español 76 +6%
RFD-TV 76 -16%
111. MLB Network 75 -44%
Viceland 75 -10%
113. Starz Encore 72 -11%
114. Ovation Network 70 -5%
115. The Cowboy Channel 68 n/a
116. AXS TV 65 -2%
117. Big Ten Network 59 -9%
118. Discovery Family Channel 58 +9%
Teennick 58 -35%
120. Azteca 56 -15%
121. Discovery Life Channel 55 +6%
MTV 2 55 -24%
123. ESPNU 47 -33%
124. Logo 46 -22%
125. Telexitos 45 n/a
126. Fox Deportes 43 -25%
127. BET Her 41 -15%
Discovery Familia 41 +14%
129. Cinemax 40 -38%
130. TBD TV 39 n/a
131. ESPNEWS 37 +6%
Tennis Network 37 -41%
133. Baby First TV 35 +3%
134. Universal Kids 34 +10%
135. ESPN Deportes 32 -27%
136. Cine Latino 29 -9%
137. Fox Sports Net 2 27 +50%
138. CNN En Español 25 -4%
139. Nat Geo Mundo 25 +0%
140. Fuse 22 -21%
141. Pursuit Channel 12 n/a
142. Justice Central 11 +0%
143. BEIN Sport Español 9 -18%
144. Newsy 8 +167%
145. NBC.LX 7 n/a
146. El Rey 6 -76%
147. BEIN Sport 5 +0%
148. Comedy TV 3 +200%

Note that, after the networks, news was top. Fox News was number 5, MSNBC was 6 and CNN was 7. ESPN trailed.

TV is ran by advertisers. The great thing about cable for advertisers is how they can push their ads to specific groups of people. You pay for eyes.

I mean, say you sell tennis rackets. Would you advertise on NBC? Of course not, you'd be paying for millions to see your ads that didn't care about tennis. But you'd pay good money for ads on the Tennis Network, wouldn't you?

Your question just shows you don't understand how the business works. MSNBC and CNN are at the top of cable tv, so they do very well as to profits. You don't have to be the top ratings network to make money. Room for everyone.

[gounion]

Glenn's just showing his disdain for anyone that's not Fox News.

That's like saying "I don't know how BJ's stays in business." BJ's is a membership warehouse store similar to Costco and Sam's. It's got a lot fewer stores. But there's room for more than one business in a market. Glenn doesn't understand this, apparently.

[Glennfs]

Glenn's just showing his disdain for anyone that's not Fox News.

That's like saying "I don't know how BJ's stays in business." BJ's is a membership warehouse store similar to Costco and Sam's. It's got a lot fewer stores. But there's room for more than one business in a market. Glenn doesn't understand this, apparently.

Not at all but when a network is only getting a little over of 100,000 viewers it is hard to see how it is not losing money.

One thing for sure all cable news outlets get way to much credit. If you look at the numbers all are in reality insignificant

[gounion]

Not at all but when a network is only getting a little over of 100,000 viewers it is hard to see how it is not losing money.

One thing for sure all cable news outlets get way to much credit. If you look at the numbers all are in reality insignificant

Then how do the hundreds of cable networks below them with fewer viewers not lose money?

[Glennfs]

Then how do the hundreds of cable networks below them with fewer viewers not lose money?

Many are running content they don't have to pay for and what is to say they are turning a profit.
I looked it up and in 2017 a 30 second spot on MSNBC was only about $3500.
I don't know how many spots they run an hour but if it's 20 that would be 70k an hour or 1.68 million a day. So I guess they are turning a profit after all.
Btw fox was more than double that number

[gounion]

Many are running content they don't have to pay for and what is to say they are turning a profit.
I looked it up and in 2017 a 30 second spot on MSNBC was only about $3500.
I don't know how many spots they run an hour but if it's 20 that would be 70k an hour or 1.68 million a day. So I guess they are turning a profit after all.
Btw fox was more than double that number

Hate sells.

But at least you learned something today.

[marindem01]

You may need to take a business class. I don't know that we can help you.

Here's an article from Variety on network ratings for 2020.

1. CBS 5,603 -21%
2. NBC 5,025 -20%
3. ABC 4,522 -12%
4. Fox 4,157 -10%
5. Fox News Channel 3,596 +43%
6. MSNBC 2,135 +23%
7. CNN 1,790 +83%
8. ESPN 1,500 -16%
9. Univision 1,445 +11%
10. TLC 1,365 +16%
11. HGTV 1,360 +5%
12. Hallmark Channel 1,214 -5%
13. Ion 1,200 -10%
14. TBS 1,062 -8%
15. History 1,054 -12%
16. Discovery Channel 1,034 -8%
17. Telemundo 1,003 -16%
18. TNT 991 -12%
19. Food Network 952 +1%
20. USA Network 902 -26%
21. A&E 822 -22%
22. Bravo 812 -8%
23. The CW 811 -26%
24. Investigation Discovery 770 -22%
25. Me TV 768 +7%
26. INSP 674 +9%
27. Lifetime 671 -5%
28. Hallmark Movies & Mysteries 639 +9%
29. AMC 594 -19%
30. FX 572 -19%
31. TV Land 568 -8%
32. Freeform 519 -14%
33. Adult Swim 517 -20%
34. Nickelodeon 494 -32%
35. Unimas 483 +18%
36. WE TV 475 -2%
37. Paramount Network 461 -1%
38. Syfy 451 -15%
39. Travel Channel 443 -11%
40. Nick at Nite 442 -20%
41. MTV 440 -27%
42. GSN 432 +6%
43. Animal Planet 414 -10%
Nat Geo 414 -9%
45. Grit 398 +6%
46. HBO 387 -38%
47. BET 379 +3%
48. Disney Channel 355 -33%
49. E! 350 -3%
50. Comedy Central 341 -5%
51. VH1 337 -37%
52. Nick Jr. 332 -17%
53. Oxygen 314 +5%
54. Disney Junior 310 -27%
55. OWN 301 -20%
56. Science Channel 291 -5%
57. LMN 281 -14%
58. Bounce TV 280 +1%
59. Cartoon Network 274 -29%
60. Nat Geo Wild 272 +5%
61. HLN 266 -3%
62. CNBC 249 +6%
63. Motor Trend 247 -5%
64. DIY 245 +21%
NBC Sports Network 245 -26%
66. BBC America 238 +4%
67. Fox Sports 1 236 -25%
68. FXX 233 -15%
69. CMT 232 +0%
70. NFL Network 231 -21%
71. WGN America 219 -33%
72. SundanceTV 212 -2%
73. Pop TV 209 +49%
74. Heroes and Icons 208 +6%
75. ESPN 2 207 -33%
IFC 207 -5%
77. Family Entertainment TV 203 +5%
78. TruTV 197 -20%
79. Laff 191 -14
80. Weather Channel 177 -5%
81. Estrella TV 168 -28%
82. Cozi 166 +11%
83. Start TV 163 +42%
84. Showtime 147 -19%
85. Court TV Mystery 146 -5%
86. Cooking Channel 142 -1%
87. Up 137 +28%
88. Newsmax TV 135 n/a
89. TV One 133 +1%
90. Galavision 129 +0%
Reelzchannel 129 -12%
92. FX Movie Channel 125 -7%
93. FYI 122 +13%
Smithsonian Channel 122 +15%
Starz 122 -16%
96. Hallmark Drama 114 +41%
97. Fox Business Network 103 +5%
98. Charge! 102 n/a
99. TUDN 101 -40%
100. Golf Channel 100 -16%
101. American Heroes Channel 97 +0%
102. Disney XD 94 -23%
103. Destination America 93 +26%
GAC 93 +4%
105. Boomerang 92 -7%
106. Comet 87 +13%
Nicktoons 87 -42%
Universo 87 +61%
109. Discovery en Español 76 +6%
RFD-TV 76 -16%
111. MLB Network 75 -44%
Viceland 75 -10%
113. Starz Encore 72 -11%
114. Ovation Network 70 -5%
115. The Cowboy Channel 68 n/a
116. AXS TV 65 -2%
117. Big Ten Network 59 -9%
118. Discovery Family Channel 58 +9%
Teennick 58 -35%
120. Azteca 56 -15%
121. Discovery Life Channel 55 +6%
MTV 2 55 -24%
123. ESPNU 47 -33%
124. Logo 46 -22%
125. Telexitos 45 n/a
126. Fox Deportes 43 -25%
127. BET Her 41 -15%
Discovery Familia 41 +14%
129. Cinemax 40 -38%
130. TBD TV 39 n/a
131. ESPNEWS 37 +6%
Tennis Network 37 -41%
133. Baby First TV 35 +3%
134. Universal Kids 34 +10%
135. ESPN Deportes 32 -27%
136. Cine Latino 29 -9%
137. Fox Sports Net 2 27 +50%
138. CNN En Español 25 -4%
139. Nat Geo Mundo 25 +0%
140. Fuse 22 -21%
141. Pursuit Channel 12 n/a
142. Justice Central 11 +0%
143. BEIN Sport Español 9 -18%
144. Newsy 8 +167%
145. NBC.LX 7 n/a
146. El Rey 6 -76%
147. BEIN Sport 5 +0%
148. Comedy TV 3 +200%

Note that, after the networks, news was top. Fox News was number 5, MSNBC was 6 and CNN was 7. ESPN trailed.

TV is ran by advertisers. The great thing about cable for advertisers is how they can push their ads to specific groups of people. You pay for eyes.

I mean, say you sell tennis rackets. Would you advertise on NBC? Of course not, you'd be paying for millions to see your ads that didn't care about tennis. But you'd pay good money for ads on the Tennis Network, wouldn't you?

Your question just shows you don't understand how the business works. MSNBC and CNN are at the top of cable tv, so they do very well as to profits. You don't have to be the top ratings network to make money. Room for everyone.

Glenn either chooses to ignore and willingly forget The Rachel Maddow Show is the number one cable news show. She consistently beats Slant Head. Lawrence O'Donnell is posting high numbers as well.

[Glennfs]

Glenn either chooses to ignore and willingly forget The Rachel Maddow Show is the number one cable news show. She consistently beats Slant Head. Lawrence O'Donnell is posting high numbers as well.

https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/here-ar ... 21/490255/

Maddow is number 5 the only reason she isn't number 6 is because she had more shows than the number 6 show

[marindem01]

https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/here-ar ... 21/490255/

Maddow is number 5 the only reason she isn't number 6 is because she had more shows than the number 6 show

Newser, a RW site. No thanks.

[Drak]

Other than Fox News? Fox News isn’t news, and has admitted it. Remember when Glen claimed he didn’t watch Fox? He does.

[marindem01]

Other than Fox News? Fox News isn’t news, and has admitted it. Remember when Glen claimed he didn’t watch Fox? He does.

Of course he does. I never believed him when he said he did not.

[ZoWie]

Ratings don't tell the whole story.

Glenn's numbers are at odds with the last ones I bothered to read, but fortunately I can't believe it matters in this day and age, with the audience so fragmented. I won't waste any time to research it.

I, too, was under the impression that Glenn didn't watch Faux. He seems more the TV sports type. Not surprised, though.

Faux is popular with advertisers less for the size of its audience than for its loyalty. Faux is the last of the old-time megalithic niche audiences. Faux viewers are far more likely to unquestionably line up behind perceived leaders and march in lockstep, and that makes them easier to advertise to. Behold, for example, the experience of Mr. Pillow.

Outside the world of dollars and cents, appealing to mindless suckers is far less of a thing to brag about.

[Bludogdem]

PEW sheds some light. It’s profitable so why not.

https://www.pewresearch.org/journalism/ ... able-news/

[Glennfs]

Ratings don't tell the whole story.

Glenn's numbers are at odds with the last ones I bothered to read, but fortunately I can't believe it matters in this day and age, with the audience so fragmented. I won't waste any time to research it.

I, too, was under the impression that Glenn didn't watch Faux. He seems more the TV sports type. Not surprised, though.

Faux is popular with advertisers less for the size of its audience than for its loyalty. Faux is the last of the old-time megalithic niche audiences. Faux viewers are far more likely to unquestionably line up behind perceived leaders and march in lockstep, and that makes them easier to advertise to. Behold, for example, the experience of Mr. Pillow.

Outside the world of dollars and cents, appealing to mindless suckers is far less of a thing to brag about.

I don't watch any of the cable news outlets. When I am on the road I am mostly working or sleeping. When I am at home I watch mostly Netflix and Amazon prime.
We have been binging The Great British Baking Show
A knock off of American Pickers on I believe Prime and when my wife goes to bed around 830 I've been watching Perry Mason in chronological order.
We also slip in a Shawn the Sheep if grandson is up. That show is great

[Libertas]

Is someone bragging that more people watch a fascist channel owned by someone trying to destroy the world?

Ya know what most humans have in common? They hate Rupert, because they know how terrible it is what he is doing.

[Number6]

Not at all but when a network is only getting a little over of 100,000 viewers it is hard to see how it is not losing money.

One thing for sure all cable news outlets get way to much credit. If you look at the numbers all are in reality insignificant

The numbers you refer to are for prime time and not throughout the day. The cable news is competing with the major entertainment networks for viewers from 8-11 pm, when more people are at home watching TV.

[Number6]

I don't watch any of the cable news outlets. When I am on the road I am mostly working or sleeping. When I am at home I watch mostly Netflix and Amazon prime.
We have been binging The Great British Baking Show
A knock off of American Pickers on I believe Prime and when my wife goes to bed around 830 I've been watching Perry Mason in chronological order.
We also slip in a Shawn the Sheep if grandson is up. That show is great

IIRC, you have SirusXM radio in your truck where you clain you listen to Thom Hartmann and the SirusXM broadcasts have dedicated channels for the live audio of Fox News, MSNBC,a nd CNN cable news programs.

[Drak]

I don't watch any of the cable news outlets. When I am on the road I am mostly working or sleeping. When I am at home I watch mostly Netflix and Amazon prime.
We have been binging The Great British Baking Show
A knock off of American Pickers on I believe Prime and when my wife goes to bed around 830 I've been watching Perry Mason in chronological order.
We also slip in a Shawn the Sheep if grandson is up. That show is great

Except that you constantly push Fox New talking points. Like when Marsha Blackburn was on Fox calling Kamala Harris incompetent a few weeks ago. And you came in doing the exact same.

[carmenjonze]

Many are running content they don't have to pay for …

Link?

I looked it up and in 2017 a 30 second spot on MSNBC was only about $3500.

Source?

[carmenjonze]

Newser, a RW site. No thanks.

If it proves anything at all, it’s that this country is filled with dumb conservative whites, the most violent, amoral people in town.

Oh and that they’re desperate to return to the tyranny of the majority, even tho this isn’t 1980s South Africa. :problem:

[carmenjonze]

Except that you constantly push Fox New talking points. Like when Marsha Blackburn was on Fox calling Kamala Harris incompetent a few weeks ago. And you came in doing the exact same.

Original thought isn’t a priority for conservatives. Being mindless conformists, the only thing they’re really good for is imitation of others.

[marindem01]

Original thought isn’t a priority for conservatives. Being mindless conformists, the only thing they’re really good for is imitation of others.

Glenn prefers to be told what to think and what to say. He is the perfect lemming.

[Libertas]

Except that you constantly push Fox New talking points. Like when Marsha Blackburn was on Fox calling Kamala Harris incompetent a few weeks ago. And you came in doing the exact same.

That alone should have made him the loneliest person on this board. At that point the evidence was overwhelming he cant think for himself and really doesn't deserve attention from anyone.