Authorities charge Michigan school shooter with Terrorism

[Glennfs]

It appears the charges against the parents are going to be very hard to get a conviction on because the burden of proof is very high.
For example leaving a loaded weapon in an unlocked drawer is not illegal. The state has to prove that the parents knew the kid was dangerous prior to the shooting.
They will probably get off.

[gounion]

It appears the charges against the parents are going to be very hard to get a conviction on because the burden of proof is very high.
For example leaving a loaded weapon in an unlocked drawer is not illegal. The state has to prove that the parents knew the kid was dangerous prior to the shooting.
They will probably get off.

Lots of things say differently, but I understand why you support the parents.

The parents were told that day that the kid was dangerous, and they didn't tell the school that he might have a gun.

[Drak]

The parents also took out 4k in cash and fled. Then hid in a commercial building.

[gounion]

The parents also took out 4k in cash and fled. Then hid in a commercial building.

If they were anything but Trump-loving right wing gun nuts, Glenn would say that was quite damning.

[Drak]

If they were anything but Trump-loving right wing gun nuts, Glenn would say that was quite damning.

Yep.

[carmenjonze]

They only worship power, money and guns.

And death.

[marindem01]

And death.

Money is their god.

[carmenjonze]

If they were anything but Trump-loving right wing gun nuts, Glenn would say that was quite damning.

Imagine his response if they were negro crime chicago parents. If these guys are convicted, watch his attitude shift towards something like Ike Bana’s rabid, misanthropic, punitive hatred of parents with kids in the system.

[Motor City]

A Mother’s Love for Son, Gun and Country.

In a nation born and built on violence, where there are now more guns in homes than there are people, a parent buys the son a gun as a gift. A Sig Sauer 9mm.

But the son is disturbed. Nonetheless, she takes him to the gun range. She wants him to be a good shot. She wants to spend time with him. She loves these mom-and-son days shooting guns.

Then he wakes up one December morning, walks into his mother’s bedroom and blows her head off. He has four of her guns including the Sig Sauer 9mm she gave him as a gift.

That did not happen this past week in Oxford, Michigan (about 19 miles as the crow flies from where I went to high school). It’s what took place on December 14, 2012, when the 20-year-old Adam Lanza took those guns his mother gave him to use when they went to the gun range together in Newtown, Connecticut — and after he killed her, he took them to Sandy Hook Elementary School, where he murdered 20 first-graders and 6 teachers and staff before he killed himself. The only gun he didn’t use in this bloody massacre was the Sig Sauer 9mm.

15-year old Ethan Crumbley of Oxford, MI was given his Sig Sauer as an early Christmas gift on Black Friday, 10 days ago. So exciting — why wait until the Lord’s birthday to open it ! The next day mom took Ethan to the gun range shooting all those happy bullets. Mom Jennifer Crumbley posted on Instagram: “mom and son day testing out his new Christmas present.” It wasn’t Christmas. It was November 27.

Two days later, on Monday, November 29, Mom got a call on her voice mail from the school. She was told that Ethan was looking for ammo to buy on his mobile phone. They asked that she call them about this disturbing incident. She didn’t bother to call them back. Instead, she texted young Ethan with the excitement of a 16-year old girl: “LOL! I’m not mad. [But] You have to learn not to get caught!”

Oooh. They had a secret together! He got away with it from the school authorities! Be more careful next time when you’re looking for ammo to order, Silly you!

The next day, on November 30, Mom Jennifer and Dad James got another call from the school to come here right now. They did. There was a teacher and a school counselor and Ethan sitting there in the high school office. Ethan had his “Christmas present” with him, but no one knew it because it was in his backpack sitting there on the floor beside him (Oxford High has no lockers due to Covid, the other pandemic). The teacher showed the Crumbleys what Ethan had drawn at his desk. A depiction of a dead person, shot twice, bleeding out. “Blood everywhere!” read the caption beside a laughing emoji. Then a drawing of his new gun pointed at these four lines:

"My life is useless.

The world is dead.

The thoughts won’t stop.

Help me."

The parents were asked to take Ethan home. They refused and left. “Help me” would be his last words before Madisyn, Justin, Tate and Hana’s lives would soon end. Help me. Neither the parents nor the school would, even though he had put his request, his plea, in writing for them. Rather, the Adults amazingly sent Ethan back to his class. Maybe they did so with their thoughts and prayers but more than likely he was just one more nuisance to Mom, Dad and a school that had a hundred other things to do that day. A couple hours later he would use his “Christmas gift” to kill four students and wound seven others, including one teacher.......

More at link

[Drak]

The GOP leadership is filled with violent, mentally unqualified, unserious, hypocritical trolls.

[gounion]

The GOP leadership is filled with violent, mentally unqualified, unserious, hypocritical trolls.

They are born victims.

[Glennfs]

Lots of things say differently, but I understand why you support the parents.

The parents were told that day that the kid was dangerous, and they didn't tell the school that he might have a gun.

I am basing this on what I heard on the progressive radio show Dean Obedaila last night. He was having a discussion with another liberal lawyer whose name escapes me.
They were going over the burden of proof the prosecutor has to meet and it is very high.
Of course I deal.in facts not emotions.

[Drak]

Of course I deal.in facts...

Hardly ever.

[gounion]

I am basing this on what I heard on the progressive radio show Dean Obedaila last night. He was having a discussion with another liberal lawyer whose name escapes me.
They were going over the burden of proof the prosecutor has to meet and it is very high.
Of course I deal.in facts not emotions.

Bullshit.

Didn't you once tell me that if someone was arrested, they are more than likely guilty?

Oh wait, I'll be you say the prosecutor is going after them because they are white Trumper gun nuts.

[carmenjonze]

I am basing this on what I heard on the progressive radio show Dean Obedaila last night. He was having a discussion with another liberal lawyer whose name escapes me.
They were going over the burden of proof the prosecutor has to meet and it is very high.
Of course I deal.in facts not emotions.

Please link to what you’re talking about, then.

[Glennfs]

Bullshit.

Didn't you once tell me that if someone was arrested, they are more than likely guilty?

Oh wait, I'll be you say the prosecutor is going after them because they are white Trumper gun nuts.

Thet are definitely guilty of being stupid. But it is questionable if they meet the high legal standards in Michigan for the crimes they have been charged with.

Odd how in so many of these high profile cases you have decided guilty before any evidence has been presented. I hope you never have jury duty.

As for me yes I believe they could have and should have taken immediate steps once they were called to the school meeting. If they had the shooting would not have occurred.

But buying a gun for your kid is not illegal. Not locking it up is not illegal. For the manslaughter charges to stick the state has to prove the parents had an indifference to life and knew their kid was a danger to society.

[Glennfs]

Please link to what you’re talking about, then.

Unfortunately they have not posted links to last nights show.

[carmenjonze]

Unfortunately they have not posted links to last nights show.

Then there’s no reason whatsoever to believe anything you say about it.

If you can’t back it up, don’t make the claim.

[gounion]

Thet are definitely guilty of being stupid. But it is questionable if they meet the high legal standards in Michigan for the crimes they have been charged with.

Odd how in so many of these high profile cases you have decided guilty before any evidence has been presented. I hope you never have jury duty.

As for me yes I believe they could have and should have taken immediate steps once they were called to the school meeting. If they had the shooting would not have occurred.

But buying a gun for your kid is not illegal. Not locking it up is not illegal. For the manslaughter charges to stick the state has to prove the parents had an indifference to life and knew their kid was a danger to society.

First, if they're black, like BLM activists, they are GUILTY in your mind and deserving of whatever happens to them.

Secondly, it's easy to see they are guilty. They bought the kid the gun, said it's HIS gun, and they KNEW he was searching for special ammo online, the school told them he was having these violent writings, they knew he had the gun, and they didn't say a word to the school that morning. They also REFUSED to take the child home.

They had every warning in the world. The prosecutors said they have even MORE evidence that isn't public knowledge yet.

But hey they're Trumpers so they are innocent right?

Have you sent them any money yet for their bail?

[ProfX]

But buying a gun for your kid is not illegal.

Depends on the state, the age, and the gun.

Not locking it up is not illegal.

In many countries, and even in some U.S. states, it IS. You are considered liable for your children using weapons you failed to secure from their misuse, let alone the ones bought for them.

For the manslaughter charges to stick the state has to prove the parents had an indifference to life and knew their kid was a danger to society.

We can debate whether or not they should have just "LOL'd" that he was searching for ammo on school time.
They were TOLD, "point blank," THAT DAY, he was doodling about how he couldn't control himself and wanted to spill blood. I think even parents as dumb as that shouldn't have just let him return to school, with the unsecured gun.

[marindem01]

Of course I deal.in facts

You deal and trade in lies. You support and defend the Traitor. You vote Men and Women who would overthrow the duly and democratically elected President of the United States and install a Dictator. You are racist lying Islamophobic Conservative who would rather treasure the Statues of Confederate Traitors than defend Minorities.

You never deal in lies. Fox News is one of your favorite sources and they lie on an hourly basis.

[Motor City]

Depends on the state, the age, and the gun.



In many countries, and even in some U.S. states, it IS. You are considered liable for your children using weapons you failed to secure from their misuse, let alone the ones bought for them.



We can debate whether or not they should have just "LOL'd" that he was searching for ammo on school time.
They were TOLD, "point blank," THAT DAY, he was doodling about how he couldn't control himself and wanted to spill blood. I think even parents as dumb as that shouldn't have just let him return to school, with the unsecured gun.

When it comes to a hand gun in Michigan I believe you cant even lend it out.

parents of Oxford High School shooting suspect could face federal charges for purchase of gun used in shooting

......It is a federal crime to purchase a handgun in your name and then give that handgun to someone else. It’s called a straw purchase......

......“In this case, the father claims he bought the handgun but public comments that he got it for his son. The son is not 21. It’s a handgun. Even a rifle, the person you are giving it to has to be at least 18,” Steve Dolunt said.....

[Bludogdem]

Depends on the state, the age, and the gun.



In many countries, and even in some U.S. states, it IS. You are considered liable for your children using weapons you failed to secure from their misuse, let alone the ones bought for them.



We can debate whether or not they should have just "LOL'd" that he was searching for ammo on school time.
They were TOLD, "point blank," THAT DAY, he was doodling about how he couldn't control himself and wanted to spill blood. I think even parents as dumb as that shouldn't have just let him return to school, with the unsecured gun.

According to the Sheriff and the Prosecutor what he had done was more than sufficient for the school to have called in the Resource Officer. The Resource Officer would have taken him out of school searched his backpack and then would have gone to the home to assess the weapons situation and potentially temporarily confiscate the weapons.

[gounion]

According to the Sheriff and the Prosecutor what he had done was more than sufficient for the school to have called in the Resource Officer. The Resource Officer would have taken him out of school searched his backpack and then would have gone to the home to assess the weapons situation and potentially temporarily confiscate the weapons.

Yep, the school made mistakes. Doesn't change the facts of the crimes the parents committed.

[marindem01]

Yep, the school made mistakes. Doesn't change the facts of the crimes the parents committed.

RWNJ/Gun Nut parents allowing him to have his own gun....lock their ass up.