Harriet Tubman needs to be on the $20 bill!

[gounion]

I know that Glenn and all the righties thinks that Robert E. Lee is a great hero, but I think he's a traitor to our nation. And there are TRUE heroes of the American nation, and that's people like Harriet Tubman:

When the Civil War started in the spring of 1861, Tubman put aside her fight against slavery to conduct combat as a soldier and spy for the United States Army. She offered her services to a powerful politician.

Known for his campaign to form the all-Black 54th and 55th regiments, Massachusetts Gov. John Andrew admired Tubman and thought she would be a great intelligence asset for the Union forces.

He arranged for her to go to Beaufort, South Carolina, to work with Army officers in charge of the recently captured Hilton Head District.

There, she provided nursing care to soldiers and hundreds of newly liberated people who crowded Union camps. Tubman’s skill curing soldiers stricken by a variety of diseases became legendary.

But it was her military service of spying and scouting behind Confederate lines that earned her the highest praise.

She recruited eight men and together they skillfully infiltrated enemy territory. Tubman made contact with local enslaved people who secretly shared their knowledge of Confederate movements and plans.

Wary of white Union soldiers, many local African Americans trusted and respected Tubman.

According to George Garrison, a second lieutenant with the 55th Massachusetts Regiment, Tubman secured “more intelligence from them than anybody else.”

In early June 1863, she became the first woman in U.S. history to command an armed military raid when she guided Col. James Montgomery and his 2nd South Carolina Colored Volunteers Regiment along the Combahee River.

While there, they routed Confederate outposts, destroyed stores of cotton, food and weapons – and liberated over 750 enslaved people.

The Union victory was widely celebrated. Newspapers from Boston to Wisconsin reported on the river assault by Montgomery and his Black regiment, noting Tubman’s important role as the “Black she Moses … who led the raid, and under whose inspiration it was originated and conducted.”

Ten days after the successful attack, radical abolitionist and soldier Francis Jackson Merriam witnessed Maj. Gen. David Hunter, commander of the Hilton Head district, “go and fetch a pitcher of water and stand waiting with it in his hand while a black woman drank, as if he had been one of his own servants.”

In that letter to Gov. Andrew, Merriam added, “that woman was Harriet Tubman.”

Why hasn't there been a big-budget epic movie about this woman? There was no bigger hero than she.

[Glennfs]

Yes if she is going to be put on a bill it should be the 20. Andrew Jackson does not deserve that honor.
And there you go calling me a racist again.

[gounion]

Yes if she is going to be put on a bill it should be the 20. Andrew Jackson does not deserve that honor.
And there you go calling me a racist again.

As usual, I didn't call you a racist in any way, shape or form. I spoke of your hero worship of a traitor to your nation.

YOU'RE the one who has used the words "You're a racist". Not me.

[Number6]

The problem with deciding whose picture should be on our money devolves into political conflict. For the record, I don't think any president's portrait should be on our money until a hundred years after their death. That would mean FDR's likeness would have to be removed from the dime and JFKs likeness removed from the half dollar. In another tangent, I don't think any military bases or ships should be named after politicians but after men and women who served in the military and through their actions brought credit upon themselves.

So, who should be on our money. I'd prefer to see Americans who distinguished themselves admirably and with whom most people, when they learn of their accomplishments, would agree. Among the names I'd add to the list would be:
Luther Burbank
George Washington Carver
Harriet Tubman
Jonas Salk
Dr. Theodor Seuss Geisel
Dr. Charles Drew

[carmenjonze]

Yes if she is going to be put on a bill it should be the 20. Andrew Jackson does not deserve that honor.
And there you go calling me a racist again.

He did not call you "a racist."

Hey, that reminds me, you're overdue for calling me one, since you manage to do so on at least a bi-weekly basis around here.

:problem:

[carmenjonze]

I know that Glenn and all the righties thinks that Robert E. Lee is a great hero, but I think he's a traitor to our nation.

Glennfs and the rest of the righties around here are white supremacists.

Why hasn't there been a big-budget epic movie about this woman? There was no bigger hero than she.

There was, a couple years ago. Cynthia Erivo got a Best Actress Oscar nom for it. I still need to see it.

Harriet - IMDB

[carmenjonze]

Yes if she is going to be put on a bill it should be the 20. Andrew Jackson does not deserve that honor.

George Floyd was murdered over an alleged fake 20 dollar bill, and that is just fine with you.

[carmenjonze]

There is a direct historical line of Indian-killing, slaveholding, and slavedriving from Andrew Jackson to men like Glennfs.

That makes them the enemies of Harriet Tubman.

These amoral, brutal conservative whites are the reason she even had to do the work she did.

[Glennfs]

There is a direct historical line of Indian-killing, slaveholding, and slavedriving from Andrew Jackson to men like Glennfs.

That makes them the enemies of Harriet Tubman.

These amoral, brutal conservative whites are the reason she even had to do the work she did.

What part of I agree she should replace Jackson don't you understand

[Glennfs]

As usual, I didn't call you a racist in any way, shape or form. I spoke of your hero worship of a traitor to your nation.

YOU'RE the one who has used the words "You're a racist". Not me.

Fyi Lee never attempted to overthrow the government or the country. They were attempting to start a new country.

[carmenjonze]

What part of I agree she should replace Jackson don't you understand

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[ProfX]

The attack on Fort Sumter was an attack on the U.S./Union.

"Start a separate country". So are the militant Separatists in the Donbass region of Ukraine. Or the ETA of the Basque region in Spain. Or the Kurdish (PKK) separatists in Turkey.

In general, when you want to create a separate country from the country you live in, and then use violence to achieve your goal, you get labelled terrorists, and receive a military response. Difference is, many of these situations involve ethnic minorities, but the South attempted to secede in order to maintain slavery.

[carmenjonze]

The attack on Fort Sumter was an attack on the U.S./Union.

"Start a separate country". So are the militant Separatists in the Donbass region of Ukraine. Or the ETA of the Basque region in Spain. Or the Kurdish (PKK) separatists in Turkey.

In general, when you want to create a separate country from the country you live in, and then use violence to achieve your goal, you get labelled terrorists, and receive a military response. Difference is, many of these situations involve ethnic minorities, but the South attempted to secede in order to maintain slavery.

Besides, Glennfs is lying. This country allowed these people to stay, rebuilt their region, paid them reparations for having beaten, mated, raped, and sold fellow human beings; and then allowed them to implement race-based state terrorism across the country for another century.

This guy thinks my parents' and grandparents' generations -- which are still living, today -- ought to be grateful for the treatment. That's pretty interesting, because that is the same thing the KKK newspapers and White Citizens Council newsletters of the time also said.

[gounion]

Fyi Lee never attempted to overthrow the government or the country. They were attempting to start a new country.

Incorrect. He attacked and warred upon the country the Constitution and the flag he swore and oath to uphold and defend. He killed American soldiers.

He is a TRAITOR to our nation. Pure and simple.

[marindem01]

Yes if she is going to be put on a bill it should be the 20. Andrew Jackson does not deserve that honor.
And there you go calling me a racist again.

I read GoU's post, and nowhere in there is your delusion of be called a Racist. But at least you admit you are, which we knew all anyway.

[marindem01]

Robert E. was Traitor to the Union, he took arms against the United States.

J.E.B. Stuart was a Tratior.

Thomas Jonathan "Stonewall" Jackson was a Traitor.

Andrew Fucking Jackson was Racist Slave Owning Asshole.

George Lee Pickett was a Traitor.

Any person who fought for the Confederacy is a Traitor.

Fucking Troll.

[marindem01]

The Troll Said, "Fyi Lee never attempted to overthrow the government or the country. They were attempting to start a new country".

"Attempting To Start A New Country", by waging a war against the United States. The Traitor Lee resigned his commission in the United States Army. He then accepted a Commission in Army of the Confederate States of America with the intent of waging war against the United States.

Lee is fucking Traitor.

Fuck Off Troll.

[gounion]

Yes if she is going to be put on a bill it should be the 20. Andrew Jackson does not deserve that honor.
And there you go calling me a racist again.

So wait a minute. Read what I said again. So you're saying that anyone who thinks Robert E. Lee is a hero is a racist?

[Number6]

Fyi Lee never attempted to overthrow the government or the country. They were attempting to start a new country.

I thought the South was fighting to keep slaver.

Or was it States Rights they fought for?

Now it's about attempting to start a new country?

When you can't defend their actions simple change the narrative. It's called "Revisionist history" and like most things, you failed at this, too.

[marindem01]

I thought the South was fighting to keep slaver.

Or was it States Rights they fought for?

Now it's about attempting to start a new country?

When you can't defend their actions simple change the narrative. It's called "Revisionist history" and like most things, you failed at this, too.

The South for fought Slavery it was "Our Peculilar Institution and a Cherished Way of Life", which meant being to rape female slaves at will, sell children to other plantations and being whip any slave they wanted.

South fought a war to seperate itself from the United States, Lee fought to defend the Confederacy. Lee is a Traitor.

[carmenjonze]

Glennfs is a Confederate apologist.

[Glennfs]

I thought the South was fighting to keep slaver.

Or was it States Rights they fought for?

Now it's about attempting to start a new country?

When you can't defend their actions simple change the narrative. It's called "Revisionist history" and like most things, you failed at this, too.

Thet started a new country to keep slavery

[gounion]

Thet started a new country to keep slavery

Nope they attacked our country. War upon the nation that he swore an oath to protect. That's called treason. How many soldiers in the American army did he kill?

[marindem01]

The Troll Wrote: Thet started a new country to keep slavery.

That fired upon a Union Fort in Charleston Harbor.

Lee is a Traitor.

Pickett is a Traitor.

Longstreet is a Traitor.

Stuart is a Traitor.

Any person who fought for the Confederacy is a Traitor.

Fuck Off Troll.

[Glennfs]

The Troll Wrote: Thet started a new country to keep slavery.

That fired upon a Union Fort in Charleston Harbor.

Lee is a Traitor.

Pickett is a Traitor.

Longstreet is a Traitor.

Stuart is a Traitor.

Any person who fought for the Confederacy is a Traitor.

Fuck Off Troll.

The firing upon Ft Sumpter was a huge mistake.
Had the CSA kept their powder dry there is a very good chance they would have been able to exist without a shot fired.