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bradman wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:40 am Yanukovych was flying out while Putin was flying in backup. He wasn't to happy when Yanukovych showed up on his door step. He was lucky to only lose his ass ( i hear tell Yanukovych returned to Ukraine recently?)
I doubt it.

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A warrant for Yanukovych's arrest was issued on 24 February 2014 by the interim government, accusing him of mass murder of protesters.[22] Acting Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov declared that Yanukovych has been placed on Ukraine's most wanted list and that a criminal case on mass killings of civilians has been opened against him.
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He still seems to be living in exile in Moscow, some say in rather lavish digs provided by Putin, Ukraine has asked for his extradition (in order to be tried for his crimes), Russia refuses. There are rumors Putin gave him secret Russian citizenship. Has not been confirmed.
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Thread, from the author of Queer Roma - Taylor & Francis.

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Roma in the Ukraine [a long thread on the history]
Ukraine’s largest Romani community are the Servos, who sometimes call themselves ‘Ukrainian Roma’ & whose dialect is closely tied with the Ukrainian language. Members of Servo Roma communities have a long history in the region /1


with the earliest mention of a Roma presence in Ukraine dating back to the 15th century. At the time, most of modern Ukraine’s territory formed part of the Grand Lithuanian Duchy. The traditional crafts of Roma, such as blacksmithing and barter trade, enjoyed considerable local/2


demand: groups of Roma would migrate from village to village during the summer months and spend their winters hosted by locals in their homes.
At the end of the 16th century, when these territories came under control of the Polish crown in the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth /3


the authorities ordered the expulsion of Roma from the Duchy. Many Roma from northwest Ukraine, particularly the Carpathian region, were forced to relocate to the scarcely populated steppes in what is the southeast of modern Ukraine. Between the 15th & 17th centuries, this area/4


also hosted numerous disenfranchised Ukrainian villagers and gave birth to Zaporizhzhia Sich - the cradle of Ukrainian national identity. The prospect of freedom offered by these lands also attracted Roma from elsewhere, escaping slavery in the principalities of Wallachia and /5


Moldavia (present-day Romania & Moldova). These were the ancestors of the modern sub-ethnic group known as Vlax (Vlahurja), whose dialect of Romani is also regarded as ‘Ukrainian’ due to the strong influence of the Ukrainian language on its development.
At around the same time /6


as in mainland Ukraine, a Roma community began to develop in Crimea. In the lands of the Crimean Khanate, Roma predominantly lived among the local Crimean Tatar population. ‘Tatar Chingine’, as locals called them, were Muslims – like most of the Crimean population until the 2nd/7


half of the 20th century – and depended on traditional crafts such as veterinary care, metal working and music. Although Tatar Chingine were ethnically distinct to the Crimean Tatar majority, their status was not very different from the ‘autochthonous’ or indigenous Muslim /8


population and they were closely integrated into local communities – to the point that by the 19th century, most had forgotten the Romani language and spoke Crimean Tatar.
With the expansion of the Russian Empire to the north coast of the Black Sea and the region then known as /9


Bessarabia, many new and distinct groups of Roma came under its rule. Historians suggest that the expulsion of Tatars and other Muslims by the Russian rulers of these lands forced many Muslim Roma to relocate to Crimea, where Islam was still widely practised by most of the /10


population. Today, the ancestors of these displaced Muslim Roma call themselves ‘Kyrymlytica Roma’, ‘Kryms’ or ‘Krymuria’, signifying their links with the Crimean Peninsula.
Due to more recent historical events, particularly the annexation of Crimea by Russia in 2014, they /11


are now scattered all over Ukraine and can also be found in Odesa, Kherson, Donetsk, Vinnytsia, Zhytomyr and Kyiv. Their dialect of Romani, which is the only one in Ukraine classified as a member of the so-called ‘Balkan group’ of Romani dialects, bears alongside strong Balkan/12


and Romanian influences significant evidence of Crimean Tatar. The majority of Kyrymlytica Roma still practise Islam.
The jurisdiction of the Russian Empire also extended to many Christian Roma, who for centuries had been enslaved by Romanian landlords, Greek and Romanian /13


Orthodox monasteries in Bessarabia and even other, more privileged Roma community members: according to Romanian law, they were regarded as the property of the state. However, the Russian authorities allowed Romanian landlords & monasteries to continue exploiting Roma as their/14


slaves. In order to ‘regulate’ the status of itinerant Roma who were ‘owned’ by the state institutions, Russian authorities also attempted to settle them on state-owned lands. These policies underline the history of the villages of Kairo (now Kryva Balka) and Faraonivka in /15


Odesa region, where Roma communities still reside. Yet these attempts at sedentarization were largely unsuccessful as many travellers feared that it would lock them into servitude.

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Hey, as long as we're talking about neo-Nazis (Azov), they are not just on the Ukrainian side.

This article is from January. But yes, they are involved in the current fighting now in February. The point is the article shows they were preparing much earlier.

Wagner Group Contingent Rusich on the Move Again
https://www.newamerica.org/future-front ... ove-again/

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In Ukraine, there have been also been growing signs since at least September that a Wagner Group contingent that Borodai has backed for years has designs on a return to the Ukrainian front. Known as Rusich, or Task Force Rusich, the Russian mercenary cadre earned a reputation for its self-declared neo-Nazi ideology and brutality when it first deployed to eastern Ukraine during peak fighting between Russian separatist forces and the Ukrainian military in the summer of 2014. Now it seems Rusich has set its sights on the strategically important eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv. If true, it could mean the Wagner Group will be well positioned for the opening salvo in what many fear may be the prelude to a U.S.-Russian war.

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Rusich left Ukraine in the summer of 2015, a few months after UK, Canada, and European Union sanctioned one of the group’s commanders, Alexey Milchakov, after reports of his unit’s involvement in alleged war crimes in Donbas. Sightings of Milchakov, and Rusich’s lead military trainer Yan Petrovsky in Syria have since cropped up in multiple reports about their exploits over the last seven years, including the grisly torture and dismemberment of a Syrian prisoner.

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Now commonly called simply Rusich, the contingent was better known when it was first formed in St. Petersburg in 2014 by its official name: the Diversionary Guerilla Reconnaissance Group Rusich (ДШРГ Русич/DShRG Rusich). The group’s name is a triple-entendre. It is a reference to the mythic Medieval fortress, or “sich,” of “Rus,” the pre-imperial confederation of Norse peoples who hailed originally from Sweden and settled the territory that lies between the Baltic and Black Sea.

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With roots in St. Petersburg’s ultranationalist and neo-Nazi scene, the group carried out reconnaissance and sabotage operations behind enemy lines in Ukraine and played a significant role in several key battles during the early part of the Donbas conflict. By Milchakov’s own account on his Vkontakte social media page, he and Petrovsky formed the group in the summer of 2014 after graduating from the “Partizan” paramilitary training program run by Russian Imperial Legion, the fighting arm of the St. Petersburg-based and U.S.-sanctioned Russian Imperial Movement, or RIM. The group famously fought alongside Russian separatist commander Alexander “Batman” Bednov before he was killed in an ambush.

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The Partizan Center, which provides military training for the ultranationalist Russian Imperial Movement, appears to use the same facility. A post to the Partizan Center’s Telegram channel on May 3, 2021, listed an address for an upcoming training at a shooting range in St. Petersburg’s Kolpino district.

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After the October 2021 Instagram comment in which Rusich hinted at a return to Kharkiv, the group’s account went silent - remarkable in itself for an organization that has often cultivated attention via social media. Then, on January 15, 2022, the day after the White House accused Russia of planning a false-flag operation in Ukraine as a pretext for invasion, Rusich’s account lit up. Along with photos of recruits conducting winter training at what appears to be the same St. Petersburg firing range, Rusich posted a quote from the Edda, a cycle of ancient Norse poems that is popular among the European far-right:

Alone you will kill
the ferocious snake,
on Gnitahade he
lies, insatiable.

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Russian Imperial Movement
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Imperial_Movement

The Russian Imperial Movement (RIM; Russian: Русское Имперское Движениe, romanized: Russkoe imperskoe dvizhenie, RID)[6] is a Russian ultranationalist, white supremacist,[7] far-right paramilitary organization[8] based in Saint Petersburg. As of 2015, its leader is Stanislav Vorobyev.[8][9] It has been designated as a terrorist group by the United States[10][11] and Canada.[5]

RIM is part of a broader cluster of extreme-right "political Orthodoxy" groups in Russia that promote monarchy (specifically, by idolizing Russia's tsarist past), and draw inspiration from the violent, antisemitic Black Hundreds of early 20th century Russia.[6] Others within the movement include the groups "For Faith and Fatherland" and the modern revival of the "Union of the Russian People."[6] Websites connected to RIM espouse antisemitism.[6]

In 2008, RIM formed its paramilitary branch, called the Imperial Legion. The group maintains two training facilities in Saint Petersburg, one of which is known as camp Partizan, located south of Heinäsenmaa [ru] island. The Partizan runs urban warfare training, shooting training, tactical medicine, high-altitude training, military psychology, and survival training.[12][7][1] After the war in Donbas broke out in eastern Ukraine in April 2014, the RIM began training and sending volunteer soldiers to the pro-Russian groups in the conflict in July.[8] Some members of the Imperial Legion have also worked as mercenaries in the Middle East and North Africa. On January 30, 2020, it was reported that Vladimir Skopinov, who had also previously fought in Donbas and Syria, died in Libya. He was the second member of the Legion to die in Libya.[13]

On 6 April 2020, the U.S. Department of State added the Russian Imperial Movement and three of its leaders (Stanislav Anatolyevich Vorobyev, Denis Valliullovich Gariyev,[14] and Nikolay Nikolayevich Trushchalov[15]) to the Specially Designated Global Terrorist list,[10] thereby making it the first white supremacist group to be designated a terrorist organization by the State Department.[7] The group was officially designated as a terrorist group in Canada on 3 February 2021.

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Yes, they are interconnected with the Atomwaffen SS "movement" in the U.S.
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All this talk about real Nazis should not forget that Putin's loony speech seemed to be ranting in the direction (translated at least) that Ukraine was run by Nazis.

Last time I looked, Ukraine had freely elected a Jewish comedian as its leader.

The existence of a Neo-Nazi fringe in most countries does not provide a sane rationale for anyone to go to war, at least not this year.
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Seize every one of Putin's assets. Start with Trump.

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ZoWie wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:39 am All this talk about real Nazis should not forget that Putin's loony speech seemed to be ranting in the direction (translated at least) that Ukraine was run by Nazis.

Last time I looked, Ukraine had freely elected a Jewish comedian as its leader.

The existence of a Neo-Nazi fringe in most countries does not provide a sane rationale for anyone to go to war, at least not this year.
Yes and if it does, these dumb white conservative bigots here better be on notice.

They're delusional enough to think they would not be the first to go, if some country like that invaded the US.
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carmenjonze wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:40 am Tea Pain
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Seize every one of Putin's assets. Start with Trump.

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Tea Pain has a way of getting right to it. He's helped a lot of people maintain sanity ever since drumpf and his kleptocratic globally connected apparatchiks propagandized their way into the White House.
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ZoWie wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:43 am :-)

Tea Pain has a way of getting right to it. He's helped a lot of people maintain sanity ever since drumpf and his kleptocratic globally connected apparatchiks propagandized their way into the White House.
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ZoWie wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:39 am The existence of a Neo-Nazi fringe in most countries does not provide a sane rationale for anyone to go to war, at least not this year.
The Azov Battalion had a minor presence at EuroMaidan, I don't think they ever elected more than a handful of candidates to Ukraine's parliament, and, thankfully, they are not in control of the country. Do they suck? Yeah. But no, I don't support anybody invading the U.S. to "purge" us of the Proud Boys or Groyper Army, either. We do have an FBI that should keep an eye on them, though.

Meanwhile, as I just posted, Russia is using its own neo-Nazi battalions in the Donbass, members of the ultra-white-nat Russian Imperial Movement and Rusich Group. Also, Russia continues to support ultra-right quasi-Nazi groups like Five Star in Italy, Marine Le Pen in France, and others.

Bannon as I've posted is a big fan of Aleksandr Dugin, "Putin's Rasputin". Richard Spencer's wife, as Carmen posted, translated many of his works from Russian. Dugin is an open fascist and ethnonationalist, essentially he is an enemy of Western liberal democracy, he has said so. When Putin said "Ukraine never really existed as a country," he basically was repeating Dugin's nonsense.
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The John Birch Society built a conservative movement on the basis of an assertion that allies of the Russian (at the time USSR) leadership were committing acts of subversion in the United States. They became a political force in many rich white communities, including the one that I grew up in. My parents had to caution me not to read the JBS literature that was on open display for sale in the local markets. Even then, though, I knew enough to suspect that any book titled "The Naked Communist," complete with an outline of a naked guy on the cover, was probably political porn at best and fair to middling fireplace kindling at worst.

We now face a situation in which the conservative movement in the United States actually includes allies of the Russian (at this time Russian Federation) leadership conducting acts of subversion in the United States.

Once again, I must comment that it's not a good look for them.
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The @nytimes has something like 3 or 4 opinion writers exclusively devoted to the problem of wokeness, and zero devoted to the problem of global fascism.

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Do you think Kyle Rittenhouse is on his way to Ukraine to help protect peoples’ businesses?

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War crime.

Video shows a missile hitting a residential building in Kyiv. - NYT
Videos and photos verified by The New York Times showed a residential building struck by a missile in southwestern Kyiv, about 1.5 miles from Sikorsky Memorial Airport, on Saturday morning. Videos showed rescue and evacuation efforts underway.
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"I Need Ammunition, Not A Ride" If that doesn't rip you heart apart you're not human. It's one for the history books.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9JVlYj2DX8

i've been wondering what they had set up for defencive plans. Dare i hope?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/in-kyiv-defi ... 11531.html
In Kyiv, defiant Ukrainians hold off Russian army: 'We know we will win'
On Friday evening, the situation in the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv, looked positively dire. Russian forces were reportedly approaching the city from all sides. Throughout the afternoon, the second day of the attack ordered by Russian President Vladimir Putin, the sky was filled with explosions from nearby attacks on airfields, factories and electrical stations. Tens of thousands of local residents pushed onto westward-bound trains in what sometimes appeared to onlookers as stampedes, while others loaded their families into cars that formed traffic jams that snaked as far as the eye could see. Many headed toward the border with Poland to wait for 20 hours in lines near the border with Ukraine that backed up 15 miles.
Around 4 a.m., the skies over Kyiv glowed pink and gold as rockets lit up the darkness in an intensified barrage. But as dawn broke, Kyivans were greeted by welcome news. The Ukrainian armed forces had shot down two transport planes, filled with paratroopers. Ukraine had secured the hydroelectric plant near Kyiv. The city had not fallen.

“Good morning, Ukrainians!” Zelensky said in a video posted on Twitter at 6:57 a.m. “I am here. We are not laying down our weapons. We will protect our land!”
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Many people mocked him. Compared him to Trump. Knew nothing about politics. His claim to fame was, as a comedian, doing a comedy sketch where he pretended to be Ukraine's president. Then he got the real job.

But here's the deal. You know how they say character reveals itself in a time of darkest stress and testing? Trump showed his lack of it at several key moments. Zelensky knows the Russians may very well kill him, but he will not flee, and he will not surrender (though he has said he is willing to NEGOTIATE on Ukraine's neutrality in NATO if the attack dogs are called off.)

That's what a real leader looks like.

Dunno why, this makes me think of this song.

Silent Running/ On Dangerous Ground
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Germany to provide Anti-Tank Weapons and Missles To Ukraine.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ge ... 022-02-26/.

BERLIN, Feb 26 (Reuters) - Germany will supply Ukraine with 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 Stinger surface-to-air missiles from Bundeswehr stocks so it can defend itself against Russia, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz said on Saturday.

"The Russian invasion of Ukraine marks a turning point. It is our duty to do our best to support Ukraine in defending itself against Putin's invading army," Scholz said on Twitter.
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EU and US have agreed to bar several Russian banks from SWIFT.
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bradman wrote: Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:45 pm "I Need Ammunition, Not A Ride" If that doesn't rip you heart apart you're not human. It's one for the history books.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9JVlYj2DX8

i've been wondering what they had set up for defencive plans. Dare i hope?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/in-kyiv-defi ... 11531.html
In Kyiv, defiant Ukrainians hold off Russian army: 'We know we will win'
Germany to send Ukraine weapons in historic shift on military aid

“ Germany on Saturday reversed a historic policy of never sending weapons to conflict zones, saying the Russian invasion of Ukraine was an epochal moment that imperiled the entire post-World War II order across Europe.

The decision was an abrupt change in course, coming after Berlin clung to its initial position for weeks despite the rising Russian menace and pressure from EU and NATO allies.

On Saturday, Berlin finally bowed to that pressure, and to the reality that Russia is encircling Ukrainian cities and threatening to topple the government in Kyiv.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine ... -supplies/
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I think Germany better than other nations may have a hint of recognition about Vladimir Putin.
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Be ok with me if a few oligarchs got together and ended Putin.
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With lyrics.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eug9TEXKBPY

i've heard that song hundreds of times but never listened to it. Listening to it now will never be the same.

i thought it was a joke at first. That started to change after he took the helm. Not bad, there was hope there. It became a settled matter after the way he handled the blackmail attempt. He's had what it takes. If recent events don't prove that to some, nothing will.
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There's a large Ukraine solidarity demonstration in Father Duffy Square at the north (47th) end of Times Square. They've been there all day. It's down to maybe 100 people from more like 1000 earlier. Now the police have pushed them out of Duffy Square proper and into a sidewalk area to the west of the TKTS booth next to the covid testing van. This area gets smaller and smaller. It's basically a classic protest pit. A huge crowd control barrier has been put up, with pieces of what looks like a big PA system being erected behind it. If it gets any bigger, the Ukraine demo will be evicted from Duffy Square altogether.

It's all playing out on the Times Square Earthcams.

My guess is that it's another one of those commercial Things that companies love to rent the square for, but the timing turned out to be unfortunate. We shall see what transpires.

Developing...
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