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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:16 pm 
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sounds like you are making accusations too


or am I wrong?

Here's what I see: I see too damned many people that have decided the ONLY way you can be a TRUE liberal is to e 100% for Bernie, or else you are a damned Republican Lite / Liberal in Name Only / Blue Dog Democrat.

Both you and ShineOn accused me of such, ShineOn also accused jdogg.

Well, I'm not. When you made the accusation, it looks like all you had was this thread and our disagreement over Puerto Rico. Your assertion of my view was erroneous, and I explained why. I asked for further proof, as my footprint and record here is easy to check out. You might ask some of the others with more experience than I about how conservative I am, like Carmen or ProfX.

Oh, wait. They aren't in the bag for Bernie either, so you probably don't trust their liberalism, either, do you?

You know, I've been working most of my entire adult life, in every cycle, to elect good Democrats. I've been "boots on the ground". I've also worked the rest of the year to effect political change for the working people of our nation. So, yeah, I resent it when some Yahoo that doesn't have a damned clue calling me a Blue Dog.

NONE of my criticism of Bernie is from a policy standpoint - i.e. I don't agree with his policies. My only worry about his policies is there isn't enough support, either in the public or in the Congress and Senate, to enact those policies were he to be elected. I believe that, in the long run, Clinton will be able to enact more progressive legislation that Bernie would have been able to do.

While we can disagree that Bernie couldn't get things passed, I've been involved for a long time, and that's my take. I'd love to have single payer, card check, repeal of Glass-Steagal, repeal of the Taft-Hartley Act, Nuclear Disarmament, Wall Street Reform a la Sanders and Warren (One of my heroes, I'm reading her book now - oh, wait, she endorsed Clinton, so she's a Blue Dog, too, right?), repeal of NAFTA and GATT, stopping TPP, fighting Climate Change full-bore, campaign finance reform (taking all money out of politics and having campaigns publicly funded), instant runoff voting, ending gerrymandering, tuition-free colleges, continuing Affirmative Action, and I support Black Lives Matter.

Continuing on - I support abortion rights, I've always been a full supporter of gay marriage and full LGBT rights, I'm almost fully against the death penalty (someone like Tim McVeigh excepted), paid leave, DC Statehood, and I prefer a liberal solution to the immigration problem and I'm a strong proponent of Veteran's rights and care (I protested outside of V.A. Hospitals GW Bush was trying to shut down).

The ONLY things you might ding me on is, while I'm fully against Stand Your Ground and open carry, I'm in favor of basic gun rights, while I support common-sense gun laws (such as registration and banning of certain military-style guns). I'm also an atheist, and I'm for getting religion out of our government. Also, I believe in home ownership and capitalism, and I don't see myself as either a socialist or a communist.

So, since you decided you have the right to judge what kind of liberal I am, go ahead and judge me.

I'll be honest and tell you it pisses me off that you demand for me to prove my liberalism. So, now, you prove to me that you're not some nutcase far-left wing Bernie nut who can't be reasonable to keep Donald Trump from being President. What are YOUR stances?

Ball's in your court.


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Here's what I see: I see too damned many people that have decided the ONLY way you can be a TRUE liberal is to e 100% for Bernie, or else you are a damned Republican Lite / Liberal in Name Only / Blue Dog Democrat.

Both you and ShineOn accused me of such, ShineOn also accused jdogg.

Well, I'm not. When you made the accusation, it looks like all you had was this thread and our disagreement over Puerto Rico. Your assertion of my view was erroneous, and I explained why. I asked for further proof, as my footprint and record here is easy to check out. You might ask some of the others with more experience than I about how conservative I am, like Carmen or ProfX.

Oh, wait. They aren't in the bag for Bernie either, so you probably don't trust their liberalism, either, do you?

You know, I've been working most of my entire adult life, in every cycle, to elect good Democrats. I've been "boots on the ground". I've also worked the rest of the year to effect political change for the working people of our nation. So, yeah, I resent it when some Yahoo that doesn't have a damned clue calling me a Blue Dog.

NONE of my criticism of Bernie is from a policy standpoint - i.e. I don't agree with his policies. My only worry about his policies is there isn't enough support, either in the public or in the Congress and Senate, to enact those policies were he to be elected. I believe that, in the long run, Clinton will be able to enact more progressive legislation that Bernie would have been able to do.

While we can disagree that Bernie couldn't get things passed, I've been involved for a long time, and that's my take. I'd love to have single payer, card check, repeal of Glass-Steagal, repeal of the Taft-Hartley Act, Nuclear Disarmament, Wall Street Reform a la Sanders and Warren (One of my heroes, I'm reading her book now - oh, wait, she endorsed Clinton, so she's a Blue Dog, too, right?), repeal of NAFTA and GATT, stopping TPP, fighting Climate Change full-bore, campaign finance reform (taking all money out of politics and having campaigns publicly funded), instant runoff voting, ending gerrymandering, tuition-free colleges, continuing Affirmative Action, and I support Black Lives Matter.

Continuing on - I support abortion rights, I've always been a full supporter of gay marriage and full LGBT rights, I'm almost fully against the death penalty (someone like Tim McVeigh excepted), paid leave, DC Statehood, and I prefer a liberal solution to the immigration problem and I'm a strong proponent of Veteran's rights and care (I protested outside of V.A. Hospitals GW Bush was trying to shut down).

The ONLY things you might ding me on is, while I'm fully against Stand Your Ground and open carry, I'm in favor of basic gun rights, while I support common-sense gun laws (such as registration and banning of certain military-style guns). I'm also an atheist, and I'm for getting religion out of our government. Also, I believe in home ownership and capitalism, and I don't see myself as either a socialist or a communist.

So, since you decided you have the right to judge what kind of liberal I am, go ahead and judge me.

I'll be honest and tell you it pisses me off that you demand for me to prove my liberalism. So, now, you prove to me that you're not some nutcase far-left wing Bernie nut who can't be reasonable to keep Donald Trump from being President. What are YOUR stances?

Ball's in your court.

Dude, those of us talking with you at this time in this thread are all basically on the same page.


We want to see Hillary win, and we want to see as many Democrats as possible capture seats in the House and Senate.


Where we seem to differ is strategy and perception, and also, quite importantly, how to continue incorporating democratic socialist ideals into the Democratic party platform.


Meanwhile a lot of solidly liberal folks are working their mother-fucking asses off to reach public office at many levels and here you are in a thread dedicated to that pursuit pissing and moaning like a mortally wounded hyena.


I'm quite confident you'll let me know when you are ready to give it a rest...or we can continue on, the choice is yours. Should you choose to continue on, the real question will quickly become: can you keep your cool in the face of someone like me coming at you?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:23 pm 
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Dude, those of us talking with you at this time in this thread are all basically on the same page.


We want to see Hillary win, and we want to see as many Democrats as possible capture seats in the House and Senate.


Where we seem to differ is strategy and perception, and also, quite importantly, how to continue incorporating democratic socialist ideals into the Democratic party platform.


Meanwhile a lot of solidly liberal folks are working their mother-fucking asses off to reach public office at many levels and here you are in a thread dedicated to that pursuit pissing and moaning like a mortally wounded hyena.


I'm quite confident you'll let me know when you are ready to give it a rest...or we can continue on, the choice is yours. Should you choose to continue on, the real question will quickly become: can you keep your cool in the face of someone like me coming at you?

First, I'm OUT THERE IN THE REAL WORLD making sure liberals are elected. Are YOU? Again, you are NOW saying I'm HURTING these folks trying to get elected because I criticize Bernie in one thread of this tiny board?

And you backed off, and I tried to make peace, so Motor City decided HE wanted to judge whether I'm a liberal or not. I note you didn't tell HIM to back off. You praised him instead. You said I attacked HIM, when it was clearly the other way around. Right here:

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I agree with shine go u is kind of blue dog conservative status quo


So go ahead, assemble your circular liberal firing squad to "slap my rude-ass, sorry self back to another dimension." I dare you.

But don't act like you're the mellow one here who's not saying anything bad about anyone.

And I'll tell you something. You don't have a clue what I do. I'm a guy who FIGHTS for workers every damned day. I STAND UP to corporate America in the REAL WORLD, and you can bet I'm far more combative there than I ever have been here. I fight, and I often win. Not always, but they know they were in a fight. Now, if you want liberals to be quite and subservient, go for not. Not me, Bub.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:34 pm 
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First, I'm OUT THERE IN THE REAL WORLD making sure liberals are elected. Are YOU? Again, you are NOW saying I'm HURTING these folks trying to get elected because I criticize Bernie in one thread of this tiny board?

And you backed off, and I tried to make peace, so Motor City decided HE wanted to judge whether I'm a liberal or not. I note you didn't tell HIM to back off. You praised him instead. You said I attacked HIM, when it was clearly the other way around. Right here:



So go ahead, assemble your circular liberal firing squad to "slap my rude-ass, sorry self back to another dimension." I dare you.

But don't act like you're the mellow one here who's not saying anything bad about anyone.

And I'll tell you something. You don't have a clue what I do. I'm a guy who FIGHTS for workers every damned day. I STAND UP to corporate America in the REAL WORLD, and you can bet I'm far more combative there than I ever have been here. I fight, and I often win. Not always, but they know they were in a fight. Now, if you want liberals to be quite and subservient, go for not. Not me, Bub.

GoU, again, i see you as a genuine good guy and a solid Deomocrat.


For the most part, we are on the same side, and all I'm suggesting is that you take that into consideration in the way you talk with various folks in this thread.


Seriously, man, won't you at least take the time to recognize those of us who are your allies and treat us with a bit more compassion and loving kindness?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:39 pm 
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GoU, again, i see you as a genuine good guy and a solid Deomocrat.


For the most part, we are on the same side, and all I'm suggesting is that you take that into consideration in the way you talk with various folks in this thread.


Seriously, man, won't you at least take the time to recognize those of us who are your allies and treat us with a bit more compassion and loving kindness?

Look, I haven't threatened to slap YOU around, have I? Maybe YOU think before YOU post. I don't make such threats on this board.

And again, you accuse me of attacking Motor City, when, as I pointed out, HE attacked ME!

Why didn't YOU tell your friend that he's wrong, and needs to back off?


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Look, I haven't threatened to slap YOU around, have I? Maybe YOU think before YOU post. I don't make such threats on this board.

And again, you accuse me of attacking Motor City, when, as I pointed out, HE attacked ME!

Why didn't YOU tell your friend that he's wrong, and needs to back off?

I see...you read a lot, but you are not all that good at comprehension.


It's a common problem. I suppose you are much better with interpersonal skills when interacting with people in person...am I right?


No, what I said earlier was not a threat, just a warning that if you wish to continue traversing such an absurd and unsubstantiated path in this thread, It's likely that I'm gonna see it and respond.


It's your call as to whether or not you will be lucky enough to withstand my responses to the sort of ridiculous comments you've been offering in this thread.


Sort of like the old west, right? You wanna see which one of us is the quicker draw? I'm telling you, straight up, this is not the right fight for you.


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I see...you read a lot, but you are not all that good at comprehension.

All you can do is insult and threaten.

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It's a common problem. I suppose you are much better with interpersonal skills when interacting with people in person...am I right?


No, what I said earlier was not a threat, just a warning that if you wish to continue traversing such an absurdly and unsubstantiated path in this thread, It's likely that I'm gonna see it and respond.

Your warnings don't scare me. I mean, this is a message board. I guess it's easy to be a big man on a message board. Wow, I can hear your muscles flex from here!

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It's your call as to weather or not you will be lucky enough to withstand my responses to the sort of ridiculous comments you've been offering in this thread.

If you're going to scare me with your superior intellect and dizzying literary comprehension, you might want to check the difference between "weather" and "whether".

I love people who go to make fun of another on things like comprehension, then they can't even spell.
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Sort of like the old west, right? You wanna see which one of us is the quicker draw. I'm telling you, straight up, this is not the right fight for you.

So all you've got is stupid, idiotic threats. I'm not scared of you at all, and your insane stance here just makes me laugh. You want to scare me.

Look, you've been wrong all along. You said I attacked Motor City, when he attacked me.

I notice one thing you haven't done here. You accuse me of not comprehending. Yet, you can't rebut what I've said. You just threaten to, what, beat me up on a message board? Do you realize how stupid you sound? I mean, you are a scientist? Would you show this to a fellow scientist and be proud of it?

Tell you what. Try again, and this time respond to what I wrote. First, I didn't attack Motor City. He attacked me. I showed you the post. Respond to that.

Then, you keep telling me I'm a good guy and you believe me. Then tell me why you don't tell your friend Motor City that he's wrong on this? Instead of falsely saying I attacked him.

But the best thing for you to do, is to respond to posts, instead of making childish schoolyard threats that make you out to have the intellect of a nine-year-old.


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All you can do is insult and threaten.


Your warnings don't scare me. I mean, this is a message board. I guess it's easy to be a big man on a message board. Wow, I can hear your muscles flex from here!


If you're going to scare me with your superior intellect and dizzying literary comprehension, you might want to check the difference between "weather" and "whether".

I love people who go to make fun of another on things like comprehension, then they can't even spell.

So all you've got is stupid, idiotic threats. I'm not scared of you at all, and your insane stance here just makes me laugh. You want to scare me.

Look, you've been wrong all along. You said I attacked Motor City, when he attacked me.

I notice one thing you haven't done here. You accuse me of not comprehending. Yet, you can't rebut what I've said. You just threaten to, what, beat me up on a message board? Do you realize how stupid you sound? I mean, you are a scientist? Would you show this to a fellow scientist and be proud of it?

Tell you what. Try again, and this time respond to what I wrote. First, I didn't attack Motor City. He attacked me. I showed you the post. Respond to that.

Then, you keep telling me I'm a good guy and you believe me. Then tell me why you don't tell your friend Motor City that he's wrong on this? Instead of falsely saying I attacked him.

But the best thing for you to do, is to respond to posts, instead of making childish schoolyard threats that make you out to have the intellect of a nine-year-old.

Okay, have it your way.


Really, though, I have a hard time understanding why you won't take a kinder and gentler approach with various folks in this thread.


I really wish you'd lighten up, but I can also understand why you are unable to do so.


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Here's what I see: I see too damned many people that have decided the ONLY way you can be a TRUE liberal is to e 100% for Bernie, or else you are a damned Republican Lite / Liberal in Name Only / Blue Dog Democrat.

Well, I'm not. When you made the accusation, it looks like all you had was this thread and our disagreement over Puerto Rico. Your assertion of my view was erroneous, and I explained why. I asked for further proof, as my footprint and record here is easy to check out.


I never decided you have to be 100% for Bernie to be liberal just dont understand where a liberals drive to marginalize Bernie Sanders and his supporters comes from. it seems strange to me.

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You might ask some of the others with more experience than I about how conservative I am, like Carmen or ProfX.

Oh, wait. They aren't in the bag for Bernie either, so you probably don't trust their liberalism, either, do you?


well we have posted a few other boards we have some mutual values in regards to credible sourcing and links and backing up claims and were all the better for it. Prof X is a fountain of knowledge and Carmen is a skilled debator with a gift for teaching a mostly unknown or ignored history as she does it. I dont disagree with them that Hillary is the lesser evil or that trump is unqualified but at the same time it occurs to me that trickledown taxcuts and economics are only going to produce a stronger vacuum effect of the haves taking from the have nots and the least among us.

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You know, I've been working most of my entire adult life, in every cycle, to elect good Democrats. I've been "boots on the ground". I've also worked the rest of the year to effect political change for the working people of our nation. So, yeah, I resent it when some Yahoo that doesn't have a damned clue calling me a Blue Dog.

NONE of my criticism of Bernie is from a policy standpoint - i.e. I don't agree with his policies. My only worry about his policies is there isn't enough support, either in the public or in the Congress and Senate, to enact those policies were he to be elected. I believe that, in the long run, Clinton will be able to enact more progressive legislation that Bernie would have been able to do.

While we can disagree that Bernie couldn't get things passed, I've been involved for a long time, and that's my take. I'd love to have single payer, card check, repeal of Glass-Steagal, repeal of the Taft-Hartley Act, Nuclear Disarmament, Wall Street Reform a la Sanders and Warren (One of my heroes, I'm reading her book now - oh, wait, she endorsed Clinton, so she's a Blue Dog, too, right?), repeal of NAFTA and GATT, stopping TPP, fighting Climate Change full-bore, campaign finance reform (taking all money out of politics and having campaigns publicly funded), instant runoff voting, ending gerrymandering, tuition-free colleges, continuing Affirmative Action, and I support Black Lives Matter.

Continuing on - I support abortion rights, I've always been a full supporter of gay marriage and full LGBT rights, I'm almost fully against the death penalty (someone like Tim McVeigh excepted), paid leave, DC Statehood, and I prefer a liberal solution to the immigration problem and I'm a strong proponent of Veteran's rights and care (I protested outside of V.A. Hospitals GW Bush was trying to shut down).


well you never know if you pre-decide that it cant be done then it will prove to be true. look what happened with gay marriage.

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Continuing on - I support abortion rights, I've always been a full supporter of gay marriage and full LGBT rights, I'm almost fully against the death penalty (someone like Tim McVeigh excepted), paid leave, DC Statehood, and I prefer a liberal solution to the immigration problem and I'm a strong proponent of Veteran's rights and care (I protested outside of V.A. Hospitals GW Bush was trying to shut down).

The ONLY things you might ding me on is, while I'm fully against Stand Your Ground and open carry, I'm in favor of basic gun rights, while I support common-sense gun laws (such as registration and banning of certain military-style guns). I'm also an atheist, and I'm for getting religion out of our government. Also, I believe in home ownership and capitalism, and I don't see myself as either a socialist or a communist.


well on guns I agree nobody likes to be treated unfairly or unjustly or be deprived of their due process, and no civillians need millitary type weapons, the stand your ground law has been devastating to the pursuits of safety and justice.

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So, since you decided you have the right to judge what kind of liberal I am, go ahead and judge me.

I'll be honest and tell you it pisses me off that you demand for me to prove my liberalism. So, now, you prove to me that you're not some nutcase far-left wing Bernie nut who can't be reasonable to keep Donald Trump from being President. What are YOUR stances?

Ball's in your court.


I never demanded that the only thing crazy far left wing thing about me that I can see is that Im not already convinced that we have to do everything the conservative way and that its impossible to ever change things for the better

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Okay, have it your way.


Really, though, I have a hard time understanding why you won't take a kinder and gentler approach with various folks in this thread.


I really wish you'd lighten up, but I can also understand why you are unable to do so.

Now, wait, you just threatened me, and you want ME to lighten up? After threatening war like a kid, you can't see why I can't lighten up? Are you for real?

Did I EVER threaten you in any way?

You still can't respond to my points, can you? I can't believe it's that hard.


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I never decided you have to be 100% for Bernie to be liberal just dont understand where a liberals drive to marginalize Bernie Sanders and his supporters comes from. it seems strange to me.

Again, I didn't marginalize Sanders. Why is it I can't criticize him on substantive issues without being called a blue dog dem? I'd really like you know why you thought you had any good reason to do that?
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well we have posted a few other boards we have some mutual values in regards to credible sourcing and links and backing up claims and were all the better for it. Prof X is a fountain of knowledge and Carmen is a skilled debator with a gift for teaching a mostly unknown or ignored history as she does it. I dont disagree with them that Hillary is the lesser evil or that trump is unqualified but at the same time it occurs to me that trickledown taxcuts and economics are only going to produce a stronger vacuum effect of the haves taking from the have nots and the least among us.

And they have both criticized him as well, but you chose to attack me instead. why?
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well you never know if you pre-decide that it cant be done then it will prove to be true. look what happened with gay marriage.

I'm not pre-deciding, I'm making a judgement. I don't know if you agree with me, but I have said many times on this board, that we MUST win this election, because the future of our nation rests on the Supreme Court. If the right wins, we are seriously toast. And if we win, things will get much better with a liberal court. I cannot be more emphatic - I don't know if you've studied the history of the court, but I have, and I know how bad it can be.

So I just couldn't take a chance on a Bernie loss. I remember McGovern.
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well on guns I agree nobody likes to be treated unfairly or unjustly or be deprived of their due process, and no civillians need millitary type weapons, the stand your ground law has been devastating to the pursuits of safety and justice.

I never demanded that the only thing crazy far left wing thing about me that I can see is that Im not already convinced that we have to do everything the conservative way and that its impossible to ever change things for the better

Are you saying that's what I want to do? Do things the conservative way?

Look, the only nutjob Bernie wacko I see here is 4SandersVet. But people like him ARE a danger to our liberal future. I do believe that. It's like when Ralph Nadar (someone I truly despise) tried to tell us that Al Gore was no different than GW Bush. We paid dearly for that one.

In closing, two problems: First, we need to move more people from the middle to the left. Bernie has never worked to make that happen, he was always on the outside, throwing rocks and the dems. And he's went back to the outside. I want to be clear: we don't need to make the far-left more radical, we need to move the middle to the left. That's the ONLY way to win elections for the future.


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Nope. I don't play purity police. You've accused both jdogg and me of not being what we say we are. Your accusations are FALSE, and obviously you can't even back them up except to say we said things about Bernie that you don't like (never mind that everything both jdogg and I - and others like Carmen - said were all fact-based).

You asked me to prove that Sanders was using a dark-money group. I did. Then, HILARIOUSLY, you said I didn't prove that he had anything to do with it. So, I did that, too. Made you look pretty damned foolish. Did you even say, okay, I guess you were right?

Hell no. Just more accusations of not really being a liberal.

So, yeah, everyone can see that you have lost your case, but they also see you aren't honest enough to admit it.

So, either show me posts that says I'm a "Republican-lite" or retract it. I won't ask for an apology. No reason, since you won't retract the obviously false accusation anyway.

Your reading comprehension skills suck, and thanks, but I don't need you saying false shit about how J_dogg may perceive my communications with him.


I appreciate all the "facts" that have been provided in this thread and I've even said so at times.


That does not change the fact that you are acting like a total jerk in this thread towards folks who probably do not deserve to be treated with such disdain.


News flash, asshole, J_dogg is most likely quite aware that I think he's a pretty awesome dude. To put it bluntly, I like his style, and am reasonably sure he knows that is the case (and not that such recognition really matters all that much, but that's a whole other conversation that is somewhat obviously beyond your ability at this time).


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Your reading comprehension skills suck, and thanks, but I don't need you saying false shit about how J_dogg may perceive my communications with him.


I appreciate all the "facts" that have been provided in this thread and I've even said so at times.


That does not change the fact that you are acting like total jerk in this thread towards folks that probably do not and should not be treated with such disdain.


News flash, asshole, J_dogg is most likely quite aware that I think he's a pretty awesome dude. To put it bluntly, I like his style, and am reasonably sure he know that is the case (and not that such recognition really matters all that much, but that's a whole other conversation that is somewhat obviously beyond your ability at this time).

You know, for someone who wants everyone to play nice, you sure do like being insulting. My reading comprehension is just fine. You may have some communication issues of your own, "weather" you want to admit it or not. So now you bring up a post from days ago to attack again. Why is that? You call me a total jerk, but YOU were the one making childish threats. WTF is your game?

You still can't respond to anything I've said, even after repeated requests. why is that? What are you scared of?


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You know, for someone who wants everyone to play nice, you sure do like being insulting. My reading comprehension is just fine. You may have some communication issues of your own, "weather" you want to admit it or not. So now you bring up a post from days ago to attack again. Why is that? You call me a total jerk, but YOU were the one making childish threats. WTF is your game?

You still can't respond to anything I've said, even after repeated requests. why is that? What are you scared of?

I've responded to much that you've said and I've also played the same game you like to play, that of talking past people.


For all I know, you may have very good reading comprehension skills, but there is almost no question to those of us that have such skills in superior quantity that you are not really trying on your end. Trust me, if pressed, Plunderer can back me up on that claim...it's way too obvious, man.


So the real question is, considering your real world profession, why the fuck are you talking to folks in this forum the way you do?


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I've responded to much that you've said and I've also played the same game you like to play, that of talking past people.

Boy, talk about a cop-out. So it's MY fault you refuse to respond. Got it. :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw)

Great tactic stolen straight from the right wing. A Limbaugh special.

One more time: You said I attacked Motor City. I pointed out I did not, that he attacked me. I even gave you the post. You've ignored all of that. If you were so fucking superior to me, you'd be able to respond to that, wouldn't you?
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For all I know, you may have very good reading comprehension skills, but there is almost no question to those of us that have such skills in superior quantity that you are not really trying on your end. Trust me, if pressed, Plunderer can back me up on that claim...it's way too obvious, man.

Oh, yes, you are soooooooooo superior. "Weather" I admit it or not, right?

I'd suggest you not try to use Plunderer as a weapon in this. He really doesn't appreciate that kind of bullshit.

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So the real question is, considering your real world profession, why the fuck are you talking to folks in this forum the way you do?

I'd ask you the same thing, You say you're a professional. Why aren't YOU acting like one? YOU were the one making playground threats.


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Boy, talk about a cop-out. So it's MY fault you refuse to respond. Got it. :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw) :rw)

Great tactic stolen straight from the right wing. A Limbaugh special.

One more time: You said I attacked Motor City. I pointed out I did not, that he attacked me. I even gave you the post. You've ignored all of that. If you were so fucking superior to me, you'd be able to respond to that, wouldn't you?

I'd ask you the same thing, You say you're a professional. Why aren't YOU acting like one? YOU were the one making playground threats.

Oh, Motor City gave you such a grievous wound, did he? *sarcasm*


Big fucking cry baby...how long will it be before you can discern that the way Motor City talks is on a par of peacefulness that folks like MLk Jr. and the Dalai Lama would extol.


That's one reason I'm saying that there might be a problem with your reading comprehension skills, or at least your desire to really hear what folks are saying and how they are saying it.


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Oh, Motor City gave you such a grievous wound, did he? *sarcasm*


Big fucking cry baby...how long will it be before you can discern that the way Motor City talks is on a par of peacefulness that folks like MLk Jr. and the Dalai Lama would extol.


That's one reason I'm saying that there might be a problem with your reading comprehension skills, or at least your desire to really hear what folks are saying and how they are saying it.

That wasn't the point. The point was that Motor City made the attack, but you said I did. What you said was false. I pointed that out to you, and you've ran away from it ever since. Now, you again respond with a personal attack.

Now, WHO has reading comprehension problems?


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That wasn't the point. The point was that Motor City made the attack, but you said I did. What you said was false. I pointed that out to you, and you've ran away from it ever since. Now, you again respond with a personal attack.

Now, WHO has reading comprehension problems?

Bottom line, dude...many of us that like a lot of what Bernie was saying (not necessarily how to carry things out, but what some of the important issues are that should be addressed in a more socialist manner) feel that you and a couple of other "liberal" posters in this thread have made comments that are a sort of a personal attack on our sensibilities. We've been putting up with this sort of stuff for pages and pages in this thread, so it seems.



It's alright if that was not your intention, to try making us more serious supporters of Bernie-like ideals feel like stupid pieces of shit, but that's how it's playing out.


And so we respond as kindly and politely as possible, but you don't like our responses and continue to clutter up this thread with insane amounts of negative tongue-in-cheek bullshit.


Alright, let's get on with it.


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That wasn't the point. The point was that Motor City made the attack, but you said I did. What you said was false. I pointed that out to you, and you've ran away from it ever since. Now, you again respond with a personal attack.

Now, WHO has reading comprehension problems?

Okay, perhaps I should be more delicate about this.


I'm sorry to have to tell you this GoU, but it really does appear that you are suffering from some sort of reading comprehension problem.


Part of me really wants to just leave you alone in your own stupidity, but another part of me wants to tell you straight out how much of an asshole you are being...yeah, looks like the latter part is winning out.


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Bottom line, dude...many of us that like a lot of what Bernie was saying (not necessarily how to carry things out, but what some of the important issues are that should be addressed in a more socialist manner) feel that you and a couple of other "liberal" posters in this thread have made comments that are a sort of a personal attack on our sensibilities. We've been putting up with this sort of stuff for pages and pages in this thread, so it seems.

Well, let's look at this. In that thread, folks like ProfX, Carmen, jdogg and I have been pointing out our problems. Why haven't you taken this up with Carmen, too? Why just me and jdogg?

Oops, scratch that, you say you didn't complain to jdogg at all. My mistake.

So, why just me? Why not take it up with Carmen, too, and jdogg, both of whom have been pretty tough on this.
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It's alright if that was not your intention, to try making us more serious supporters of Bernie-like ideals feel like stupid pieces of shit, but that's how it's playing out.

You know, the main one I remember responding to is 4SandersVet, who is waaaaaaaaaaay out there.

So, why should YOU feel like a piece of shit?

We have two problems. First, Bernie's done for now, and the issue at hand is Trump and the Supreme Court. Don't you agree?

Second, I am quite worried that Our Revolution is going to be a big mess, and I think Bernie's not going to really have anything to do with it. He quit, remember? He quit the party.

Are you saying we just need to shut up and let you guys have the thread all to yourselves? When 4SandersVet posts lies about Clinton, we shouldn't have any right to post?

I suppose this is the point you tell me I have poor reading comprehension. Kindly and politely, of course. As kindly and politely as possible.
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And so we respond as kindly and politely as possible, but you don't like our responses and continue to clutter up this thread with insane amounts of negative tongue-in-cheek bullshit.

Alright, let's get on with it.


I'm sorry, I don't see how threats to slap me are kind and polite. Are you playing some sort of passive/aggressive game?


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Okay, perhaps I should be more delicate about this.


I'm sorry to have to tell you this GoU, but it really does appear that you are suffering from some sort of reading comprehension problem.


Part of me really wants to just leave you alone in your own stupidity, but another part of me wants to tell you straight out how much of an asshole you are being...yeah, looks like the latter part is winning out.

No, you just keep being a prick yourself. You lied, and you can't admit it. Fuck off.

Comprehend that.


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No, you just keep being a prick yourself. You lied, and you can't admit it. Fuck off.

Comprehend that.

Whoomp! (There It Is)


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Again, I didn't marginalize Sanders. Why is it I can't criticize him on substantive issues without being called a blue dog dem? I'd really like you know why you thought you had any good reason to do that?


well then what exactly do you mean when you say something like this about 4 sanders vet?

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Look, the only nutjob Bernie wacko I see here is 4SandersVet. But people like him ARE a danger to our liberal future. I do believe that. It's like when Ralph Nadar (someone I truly despise) tried to tell us that Al Gore was no different than GW Bush.


he don't deserve that.

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And they have both criticized him as well, but you chose to attack me instead. why?


Didnt attack you just said you seemed conservative to me, probably because we've have had a whole lot more conversations over the years

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I'm not pre-deciding, I'm making a judgement. I don't know if you agree with me, but I have said many times on this board, that we MUST win this election, because the future of our nation rests on the Supreme Court. If the right wins, we are seriously toast. And if we win, things will get much better with a liberal court. I cannot be more emphatic - I don't know if you've studied the history of the court, but I have, and I know how bad it can be.

So I just couldn't take a chance on a Bernie loss. I remember McGovern.


or on a Bernie Win

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Are you saying that's what I want to do? Do things the conservative way?


no I feel like your criticism is meant to stop people from trying or doing anything to upset the status quo

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In closing, two problems: First, we need to move more people from the middle to the left. Bernie has never worked to make that happen, he was always on the outside, throwing rocks and the dems. And he's went back to the outside. I want to be clear: we don't need to make the far-left more radical, we need to move the middle to the left. That's the ONLY way to win elections for the future.


I think first we should establish that the middle is where you win some and lose some not a place where they say f you were doing things our way in every instance and you have no say in it.

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Whoomp! (There It Is)


Big sissy finally got out his "fuck off" line...oh, aren't we so proud of him?


"Upside down and inside out
I'm about to show all you folks
What's it's all about..."

Aren't you proud of yourself calling others stupid? You know I'm not. You're trolling, and it should be beneath you. I guess not.

Yeah I'm a Union guy. We don't take kindly to bullshit. And we can smell it a mile away.


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well then what exactly do you mean when you say something like this about 4 sanders vet?

You're deflecting. Answer my questions, please.
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he don't deserve that.

I'm sorry, but I think he doesn't have a firm grasp on reality.
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Didnt attack you just said you seemed conservative to me, probably because we've have had a whole lot more conversations over the years

Oh? You've only been a member of this board since January. How have we had all these conversations over the years? Sorry, I've paid my dues, and I resent you calling me a conservative. That's the bottom line, especially since it's totally without merit.
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or on a Bernie Win

You do know Bernie didn't win, right?
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no I feel like your criticism is meant to stop people from trying or doing anything to upset the status quo

Oh, so you can't stand Bernie being getting criticism over substance? Aren't you guys adults?
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I think first we should establish that the middle is where you win some and lose some not a place where they say f you were doing things our way in every instance and you have no say in it.

You can't win if you don't have more people on your side. That's how politics works. If you demand far-left purity, and won't try to build a majority, you'll be a permanent minority.

Look, here's the thing. You have to change hearts and minds. And if you put your whole existence on Bernie, you're in trouble. It's about progressive ideas, not one person. I'm not really into that political worship thing.


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