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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 9:21 pm 
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Well, I haven't been around in awhile for a few different reasons. First it is football season and I usually take a small break around the start of the season. Second I have been running my tail off and don't have as much free time as I have had in the past.

But, the number one reason is I am beside myself about the upcoming election. Early voting in SC has started and the next time I am in home I am going to vote for HRC. Something I am truly regretting more and more each day. As I am of the opinion that as poor of a campaign as she has run and as much negative press she has been getting the only person she can beat is Trump.

As much of an asshat that Cruz is I believe had he been the nominee he would have defeated her. All it would take is a professional politician running a disciplined campaign. And no I would not vote for Cruz but, I would feel more comfortable with him in the WH than Trump.

Now I said all of that to basically say this. Without looking I am pretty sure there have been many posts about Trump that are pure [or at least 50%] horsecrap and I would find myself defending him. That and I am also fairly sure I would find myself posting and responding to HRC in a negative light. Which would no doubt cause many if not most here to think and perhaps call me a liar about who I am casting my ballot for.

Something that would really piss me off. Because while I might not always be correct and do have conflicting views from time to time I never intentionally lie. So my leftwing progressive and possibly socialist online family [ hey the socialist deal is a joke get over it] I may be gone but not for much longer and will shortly return and pick up to not only leading lefties to the fountain of knowledge but, doing the impossible once there. Which as we all know is getting them to take a sip.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2016 10:54 pm 
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I had noticed you were gone. I'm glad you're back. Glad you are going to vote for Clinton.

This is that time in an election when there is nothing to be gained by trying to correct folks for exaggerating silly time nonsense.

For instance that Carrie Fisher thread, who knows, why speculate, a waste of finger mobility used to type. I haven't bothered posting in it. There are a lot of threads I've been ignoring beneath me, that thread just happens to be the one which I had noticed on the masthead and came to mind.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:54 am 
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Well, I haven't been around in awhile for a few different reasons. First it is football season and I usually take a small break around the start of the season. Second I have been running my tail off and don't have as much free time as I have had in the past.

But, the number one reason is I am beside myself about the upcoming election. Early voting in SC has started and the next time I am in home I am going to vote for HRC. Something I am truly regretting more and more each day. As I am of the opinion that as poor of a campaign as she has run and as much negative press she has been getting the only person she can beat is Trump.

As much of an asshat that Cruz is I believe had he been the nominee he would have defeated her. All it would take is a professional politician running a disciplined campaign. And no I would not vote for Cruz but, I would feel more comfortable with him in the WH than Trump.

Now I said all of that to basically say this. Without looking I am pretty sure there have been many posts about Trump that are pure [or at least 50%] horsecrap and I would find myself defending him. That and I am also fairly sure I would find myself posting and responding to HRC in a negative light. Which would no doubt cause many if not most here to think and perhaps call me a liar about who I am casting my ballot for.

Something that would really piss me off. Because while I might not always be correct and do have conflicting views from time to time I never intentionally lie. So my leftwing progressive and possibly socialist online family [ hey the socialist deal is a joke get over it] I may be gone but not for much longer and will shortly return and pick up to not only leading lefties to the fountain of knowledge but, doing the impossible once there. Which as we all know is getting them to take a sip.


I noticed you were gone but I figured you're on the road. Didn't think about football, though it makes sense.

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Without looking I am pretty sure there have been many posts about Trump that are pure [or at least 50%] horsecrap and I would find myself defending him. That and I am also fairly sure I would find myself posting and responding to HRC in a negative light. Which would no doubt cause many if not most here to think and perhaps call me a liar about who I am casting my ballot for.


Not really. Personally, I don't expect consistency from conservatives even or especially when they do the right thing. I don't think you're necessarily a liar, but I don't understand the pretense of saying you're voting for the person you despise, when you'll defend him knowing what you know.

I mean, vote for her, or don't. Meanwhile, you are defensive of a guy with rapist mentality, attitude, behavior, and tons of either pending or settled lawsuits about sexual assault and discrimination.

And that's leaving aside the ridiculous Muslim bans, mosque surveillance, nationalized stop and frisk, idiotic promises of a wall paid for by Mexico, free passes to Putin in Ukraine and Syria, Judge Curiel, overturning the SCOTUS ruling on samesex marriage, and the choice of Pretty Hair Mike Pence as runningmate. What'd I leave off?

Guys like you, normal men, could never get away with the whole world knowing about routine sexual and physical assaults of women, while applying for a job and still be a candidate. And yet, conservatives like you defend an alleged rapist of a 13 year old, while conservatives like Paul Ryan and plenty of others won't rescind their endorsement. It's expected, and demanded of better men like you.

Most people call this Stockholm Syndrome, but like voting for the better candidate, it's a choice. Literally the worst people in the country are also defensive of Trump.

Trump’s White Nationalist Supporters Find Culprit For Sexual Assault Tape Release: “The Jews Did It” - yes, Media Matters; posted for the actual tweets

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The website frequently leads anti-Semitic attacks on Jewish people. It started the virulently anti-Semitic “parenthesis meme” in which Jewish names are surrounded by parentheses -- “(((name)))” -- often to target them for online abuse on social media. The Anti-Defamation League has added the symbol to its online database of hate symbols, with CEO Jonathan Greenblatt stating: “The echo symbol is the online equivalent of tagging a building with anti-Semitic graffiti or taunting someone verbally.”

Senior Trump adviser A.J. Delgado recently retweeted an endorsement of Trump from The Right Stuff.

Radio host and infamous racist David Duke wrote an October 11 tweet with Senor’s name in parentheses: “Looks like top Paul Ryan advisor (((Dan Senor))) probably leaked the #TrumpTape--America, are you at least beginning to see a pattern? #MAGA.”


Donald is such a victim. Most sexually insane bullies truly think they are.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:40 am 
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Since this election is a referendum on whether this country should dump the sandbox by electing a psycho president, I am in rare agreement with glen. Just about anyone else would have beaten Hillary in a year so traditionally favoring the Republican Party.

But they didn't win.

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Since this election is a referendum on whether this country should dump the sandbox by electing a psycho president, I am in rare agreement with glen. Just about anyone else would have beaten Hillary in a year so traditionally favoring the Republican Party.

But they didn't win.


Well to me, Trump is evidently the best conservatives can do.

Were they capable of doing better, they would have. Why didn't they?

I think a good example of why is evident in glen's own actions. They are cowed by bullies like Trump. How self-loathing do you have to be to believe one of the biggest bullies in modern political history needs defending?

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Well to me, Trump is evidently the best conservatives can do.

Were the capable of doing better, they would have. Why didn't they?

I think a good example of why is evident in glen's own actions. They are cowed by bullies like Trump. How self-loathing do you have to be to believe one of the biggest bullies in modern political history need defending?



This is such a GREAT point.

GOP was sickened by Jeb, they HATED him almost as much as Hillary.

He wasnt a know nothing and bully, you have to be a know nothing to be successful in today's GOP.

Cruz is a know nothing and bully but not enough for them.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:43 pm 
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Well, I haven't been around in awhile for a few different reasons. First it is football season and I usually take a small break around the start of the season. Second I have been running my tail off and don't have as much free time as I have had in the past.

But, the number one reason is I am beside myself about the upcoming election. Early voting in SC has started and the next time I am in home I am going to vote for HRC. Something I am truly regretting more and more each day. As I am of the opinion that as poor of a campaign as she has run and as much negative press she has been getting the only person she can beat is Trump.

As much of an asshat that Cruz is I believe had he been the nominee he would have defeated her. All it would take is a professional politician running a disciplined campaign. And no I would not vote for Cruz but, I would feel more comfortable with him in the WH than Trump.

Now I said all of that to basically say this. Without looking I am pretty sure there have been many posts about Trump that are pure [or at least 50%] horsecrap and I would find myself defending him. That and I am also fairly sure I would find myself posting and responding to HRC in a negative light. Which would no doubt cause many if not most here to think and perhaps call me a liar about who I am casting my ballot for.

Something that would really piss me off. Because while I might not always be correct and do have conflicting views from time to time I never intentionally lie. So my leftwing progressive and possibly socialist online family [ hey the socialist deal is a joke get over it] I may be gone but not for much longer and will shortly return and pick up to not only leading lefties to the fountain of knowledge but, doing the impossible once there. Which as we all know is getting them to take a sip.

The fact of the matter is both political parties chose their candidates through a democratic process. We have the candidates the members of their parties chose and those are the choices we will vote on. Think of it like you're interviewing people for a job and of the finalists, you must choose only one of them for the job. How do you choose?

As for which candidate could/would have been better, let's look at who the choices were in the primaries.

On the republican side, you had wacko candidates like Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Carson and extreme conservatives like Santorum, Huckabee, Paul, and about the only moderate-conservative, Jeb Bush, who had the misfortune to be W's brother so it wasn't like there was a particularly strong field of candidates.

On the Democratic party side, you had Hillary Clinton as the alpha candidate, with Sanders and little known O'Malley. Sanders proved surprisingly strong but in the end, Clinton proved stronger. Clinton's biggest weakness is her image with has been shaped by over 30 years of attacks, lies, smears, and conspiracy theories by conservatives and the conservative media and that has, for many people, defined who she is regardless of what the truth is. But if you look at her policies, she's definitely better than Trump or any of the other republicans who were running this year.

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As much of an asshat that Cruz is I believe had he been the nominee he would have defeated her. All it would take is a professional politician running a disciplined campaign. And no I would not vote for Cruz but, I would feel more comfortable with him in the WH than Trump.

Now I said all of that to basically say this. Without looking I am pretty sure there have been many posts about Trump that are pure [or at least 50%] horsecrap and I would find myself defending him. That and I am also fairly sure I would find myself posting and responding to HRC in a negative light. Which would no doubt cause many if not most here to think and perhaps call me a liar about who I am casting my ballot for.

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Honestly, I don't think Cruz could beat Hillary. Sorry the guy is a bat shit crazy religious fanatic and a total coward. Hillary is trouncing Trump in the polls as she should, since people have finally woken up. Prior to that, when Trump was viewed in a more favorable light and things were tight, Hillary still had the edge and was winning even though she sagged in the polls. She's never been behind. A good chunk of that negative stuff about Hillary is bullshit.

As for as Trump, it figures you'd want to defend him. No dude. most of the stuff posted about him is not pure bullshit. Part of your problem is you believe what you want to believe. You've been shown time and time again when you're wrong. A lot of the time you just make assumptions without facts based on what you want to believe. I think you find yourself defending Trump because he's part of the establishment you were brought up to cheer for and you can't shake it. You're a dye in the wool republican and can't help yourself.

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Honestly, I don't think Cruz could beat Hillary. Sorry the guy is a bat shit crazy religious fanatic and a total coward. Hillary is trouncing Trump in the polls as she should, since people have finally woken up. Prior to that, when Trump was viewed in a more favorable light and things were tight, Hillary still had the edge and was winning even though she sagged in the polls. She's never been behind. A good chunk of that negative stuff about Hillary is bullshit.

As for as Trump, it figures you'd want to defend him. No dude. most of the stuff posted about him is not pure bullshit. Part of your problem is you believe what you want to believe. You've been shown time and time again when you're wrong. A lot of the time you just make assumptions without facts based on what you want to believe. I think you find yourself defending Trump because he's part of the establishment you were brought up to cheer for and you can't shake it. You're a dye in the wool republican and can't help yourself.


And promptly runs away when that happens.

Like what will happen with this very thread, if it hasn't happened already.

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Does it matter? I think not. We have a Republican voting for Clinton. Give him an Ice Cream Cone. And some respect. Glen is respecting reality.


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Does it matter? I think not. We have a Republican voting for Clinton. Give him an Ice Cream Cone. And some respect. Glen is respecting reality.



Disagree. I don't think people deserve special treatment for doing what they ought to be doing already.

Same goes for Glenn Beck, Condoleeza Rice, Ana Navarro, the Bush family etc., who have the good sense to use their public platforms to question the Trump candidacy. They're not alone, but this is what they ought to be doing in the first place.

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How do Republicans become Democrats?

How do people become friends?


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How do Republicans become Democrats?

How do people become friends?


Every person's journey out of the shackles of conservatism is their own. But I can tell you from direct experience how I personally became a Republican turned Democrat. It was from:

  • Waking up to the fact that the propaganda I had been fed was just propaganda

  • Taking a good look around me at fellow Republicans and their miserable lives that more than anything seemed to me to be based in resentment, envy and jealousy. I did not want to end up like them

  • Understanding that the Republican lifestyle choice centered on eliminating people exactly like myself

  • The realization that trying to hammer and saw myself into the forced, narrow trajectory and compulsory conformity of life for conservative women would never work for me

And true to liberal fashion, it's never been a path with a fixed, absolute endpoint.

I'm not interested in converting anyone, including conservative friends, to liberalism. It's not an endpoint for me.

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How do Republicans become Democrats?

I wish I could remember the name of the woman who joined our Democratic Club about 1 or 2 years ago. She was in her late 60s or early 70s and stood up and said she was a new member as well as a new Democrat after spending 50 years as a republican. Her reasoning was the republicans were making outrageous claims about Democrats and when she thought about it the claims were actually about the republicans. That's when she started looking at what Democrats stand for and she had her epiphany moment and realized she was actually a Democrat.

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