Baldwin Charged Again

[Glennfs]

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/19/12257004 ... w-gun-anal

He made a terrible mistake. Why not let him plead out to something and move on with what is left of his life.

[JoeMemphis]

https://www.npr.org/2024/01/19/12257004 ... w-gun-anal

He made a terrible mistake. Why not let him plead out to something and move on with what is left of his life.

Depends on what Baldwin is prepared to plead to. This sounds like a pretty solid manslaughter case. That probably carries jail time.

[gounion]

I don't see how they can win the case. He had no idea the gun was unsafe.

[JoeMemphis]

I don't see how they can win the case. He had no idea the gun was unsafe.

That will certainly be the defense argument. The trouble is that Baldwin is familiar with firearms and anyone familiar with firearms know that any gun you are handed is assumed to be a loaded weapon until you have checked it yourself. That is the very first thing they teach you. He didn’t bother to check. That is at a minimum negligence. I would say it’s gross negligence. I’m sure that’s what the prosecution will argue. It’s like driving drunk. Nobody intends to run over and kill someone. But it happens and people go to jail for it.

[gounion]

That will certainly be the defense argument. The trouble is that Baldwin is familiar with firearms and anyone familiar with firearms know that any gun you are handed is assumed to be a loaded weapon until you have checked it yourself. That is the very first thing they teach you. He didn’t bother to check. That is at a minimum negligence. I would say it’s gross negligence. I’m sure that’s what the prosecution will argue. It’s like driving drunk. Nobody intends to run over and kill someone. But it happens and people go to jail for it.

No, not really, Joe. It's different when you're in a movie. I have a good friend that did firearms with movies, and once in the eighties he was hired to provide weapons for a TV movie that was shooting in the Denver area. It was a union shoot. You load the guns, his were all built only to take blanks, and many were fully auto weapons. The actors got the guns, they weren't to check the chambers or anything, they did the take, fired them as required, and then he took the guns immediately back, cleaned and reloaded them.

One thing the people doing the weapons is they don't want the actors playing with them.

[JoeMemphis]

No, not really, Joe. It's different when you're in a movie. I have a good friend that did firearms with movies, and once in the eighties he was hired to provide weapons for a TV movie that was shooting in the Denver area. It was a union shoot. You load the guns, his were all built only to take blanks, and many were fully auto weapons. The actors got the guns, they weren't to check the chambers or anything, they did the take, fired them as required, and then he took the guns immediately back, cleaned and reloaded them.

One thing the people doing the weapons is they don't want the actors playing with them.

We shall see in this case.

[gounion]

We shall see in this case.

Yeah, we'll see. We don't know what evidence that the Grand Jury indicted on. But your argument is for gross negligence, which would be quite a bit different than manslaughter. I just don't see what they've got to stand on in that indictment.

[bradman]

Wasn't Baldwin working on the sly? i thought i read something about Baldwin being head of production on a project that was cutting expenses to the bone.

In other words, was he cutting safety procedures when cutting the usual expenses that guaranteed safety?

[Toonces]

I'm perfectly fine with the legal system working through this and establishing proper punishment where necessary.

[bradman]

Cut costs, cut safety...........


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_shooting_incident
Occupational safety criticism

The shooting also sparked debates about working conditions on film sets.[126][127][128] In a speech at a vigil, IATSE vice-president Michael Miller said, "I'm afraid we are also gathered with some frustration and a little bit of anger. Anger that too often the rush to complete productions and the cutting of corners puts safety on the back burner and puts crew members at risk."[129] In a Facebook post, the gaffer on the film set, Serge Svetnoy, said that "to save a dime sometimes [producers] hire people who are not fully qualified for the complicated and dangerous job."[130]

[bradman]

Since Baldwin is up next. That and it was a bit off topic,

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http://www.radiofreeliberal.com/viewtop ... 202#p83202

I dunno. Didn't say. It was about the time some on set walked off the job that a couple blurbs showed up. Rumor has it there was some after hours target practice going on. They didn't say whether it was on set or further off.

They got the weak one. Let's see if Baldwin is more fortunate.