The fix is in, Rittenhouse case...

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Today in MLK White Moderate:
sam lefthand wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:06 pmI've not decided on his guilt of innocence either way as is my personal policy on cases like this.

So insofar as I'm concerned this verdict settles this issue. He is not guilty, and in my mind that's the American way.

When it was OJ it was the same way, he was found not guilty, and I accepted that.
OJ is a red herring. The issues in that trial had nothing to do with this Proud Boy fellow traveler running to somebody else's city and murdering two people in the heat of a protest against police brutality.

Yet, your rightwing friends invoking OJ have spent the past 30 years seething under their collars about OJ.

So, careful how you play that "he's not guilty and I'm settled with it" card. The people currently throwing it do not feel that way about the same OJ trial they keep trying to tie this to, and are fanatically not-settled about OJ.
I accept this verdict as the definition of what is not guilty.

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I'm glad it is over.
Well, it doesn't affect you, so of course you are are glad.
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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:15 pm Today in MLK White Moderate:



OJ is a red herring, and had nothing to do with this Proud Boy fellow traveler running to somebody else's city and murdering two people in the heat of a protest against police brutality.

Yet, your rightwing friends invoking OJ have spent the past 30 years seething under their collars about OJ.

So, careful how you play that "he's not guilty and I'm settled with it" card. The people currently throwing it do not feel that way about the same OJ trial they keep trying to tie this to, and are fanatically not-settled about OJ.


Well, it doesn't affect you, so of course you are are glad.
It's basically saying that if a black man gets away with murder, then white people can too.
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gounion wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:59 pm So I guess that liberals can't get defamed, right?

Do you think Rittenhouse will have a case? Yes or no?

Do you think justice was done?
Of course they can.

Yes or no. A talking head or public figure that says he was guilty, probably not a problem. Talking head or public figure who labeled him a white nationalist, white supremacist , racist, etc., then they could opening the checkbook.

Yes. So did 12 jurors. The evidence speaks for itself. Rittenhouse did not initiate the confrontation.
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gounion wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:17 pm It's basically saying that if a black man gets away with murder, then white people can too.
I think it's saying something somewhat different.

These sudden comparisons to "OJ" are completely ahistorical, because conservative whites, really most whites, were beside themselves with that verdict. They don't believe in it and are yet now trotting it out as if they agree with it, because they agree with this WN getting away with murdering anti-police brutality protesters.

The KKK, White Citizens Councils, neo-Nazis, neo-Confederates, and run-of-the-mill "school choice" "forced busing" anti-Civil Rights white cons spent decades telling their people something like "OJ" was going to be the logical end of the end of their segregationism. :?

Now on this day, WSs like Glennfs are claiming this trial of this WN is "just like" the OJ trial. :?

This is the low level of cognitive dissonance we're confronting with these irrational, violent conservative whites. They're openly gaslighting themselves in real time.
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ProfX wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 12:41 pm BTW, the jury did not acquit him on possession of a firearm illegally by a minor.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/202 ... 640342002/

The judge threw out that charge; the jury never decided on it.
An unartfully written law.
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Bludogdem wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:22 pm Rittenhouse did not initiate the confrontation.
Rittenhouse murdered two protesters and injured a third, and that is very vindicating for conservative whites.

You guys have no business invoking OJ, because that verdict was rather famously not-vindicating for conservative whites, yet here you guys are 25 years later trying to use it as a stick as if you think everybody forgot about infamous white-conservative feelings about it.

You're not stopping those who do, because you agree with them. Actually, are "you" still posting as multiple people?
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Bludogdem wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:24 pm An unartfully written law.
Well, the right wants to arm all the white kids too.

Wonder what would have happened if a black protester would have shown up with an AR-15?

We'll never know, he'd never make it to trial. Hell, he wouldn't have made it out of the protest.
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As the thread title says, the fix is in. Remember back to the epoch of a month ago when the conservative whites around here and their blinkered sycophants threw a fit about this thread title?
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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:31 pm As the thread title says, the fix is in. Remember back to the epoch of a month ago when the conservative whites around here and their blinkered sycophants threw a fit about this thread title?
I just saw one post here that of course the verdict is fully accepted, no problem and onward we go.

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Libertas wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:36 pm I just saw one post here that of course the verdict is fully accepted, no problem and onward we go.

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carmenjonze wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:27 pm Rittenhouse murdered two protesters and injured a third, and that is very vindicating for conservative whites.

You guys have no business invoking OJ, because that verdict was rather famously not-vindicating for conservative whites, yet here you guys are 25 years later trying to use it as a stick as if you think everybody forgot about infamous white-conservative feelings about it.

You're not stopping those who do, because you agree with them. Actually, are "you" still posting as multiple people?
So no need for a trial as you have him guilty even after a jury of his peers say otherwise.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:44 pm So no need for a trial as you have him guilty even after a jury if his peers say otherwise.
They had trials back in the sixties for some - not all - of the whites who killed blacks. The jury of their peers always found them not guilty.

So you say justice was done, right?
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The only legitimate OJ parallel is that they hired the same jury consultant who got OJ off. Otherwise the two cases are as different as night and day.
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gounion wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:45 pm They had trials back in the sixties for some - not all - of the whites who killed blacks. The jury of their peers always found them not guilty.

So you say justice was done, right?
Always as in 100pct no white person who killed a black person was found guilty in the 60s
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:52 pm Always as in 100pct no white person who killed a black person was found guilty in the 60s
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:52 pm Always as in 100pct no white person who killed a black person was found guilty in the 60s
That is 100 percent accurate in the south. Yes.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:52 pm Always as in 100pct no white person who killed a black person was found guilty in the 60s
This verdict is in line with every time some conservative white assassin murderer walked.

One of the main propaganda points of government-forced segregationism was protecting Nicoles from OJs, which is why your friends bought into it for so long.

You have no business comparing this WN person murdering two people and walking, to the OJ trial. Unless you wish to show just how confused and convoluted you guys' thinking on race truly is.
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gounion wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:54 pm That is 100 percent accurate in the south. Yes.
But if one out of a hundred didnt get off, the other 99 were guilty but one didnt get off, this is good enough for cons.
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gounion wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:54 pm That is 100 percent accurate in the south. Yes.
It's not just the south, either.

They did the same thing out here in the far west, the midwest, places like Texas where the Texas Rangers mass-murdered Latinos and Native Americans, and in the current day where even the FBI acknowledges the problem of white supremacists in law enforcement and the military.
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Libertas wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:57 pm But if one out of a hundred didnt get off, the other 99 were guilty but one didnt get off, this is good enough for cons.
In the south in the sixties, no white was convicted of killing a black. As a big hero Supreme Court Justice of the right once said, the black man "had no rights a white man was bound to respect."
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gounion wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:00 pm In the south in the sixties, no white was convicted of killing a black. As a big hero Supreme Court Justice of the right once said, the black man "had no rights a white man was bound to respect."
I believe you, my point was even if just ONE was, that would be enough. As it is, none is enough for the BOARD CONS, you know, the ones who will stand by and say NOTHING when one of US is shot!
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Agreed that the Rittenhouse case proves nothing except that white privilege can still work in favor of a defendant. There's a class element too, given the topnotch and very expensive legal help he got, but mostly it's about race.
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ZoWie wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:16 pm Agreed that the Rittenhouse case proves nothing except that white privilege can still work in favor of a defendant. There's a class element too, given the topnotch and very expensive legal help he got, but mostly it's about race.
I remember thinking MAYBE when cons start killing white people, some will wake up. maybe...we know they love it when Black people are killed.
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Libertas wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:18 pm I remember thinking MAYBE when cons start killing white people, some will wake up. maybe...we know they love it when Black people are killed.
It would be refreshing if just one liberal would say what believed based on the trial and the evidence as it was presented at the trial.
Notice not one progressive here has given anything except an emotional response to the verdict
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Libertas wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 4:18 pm I remember thinking MAYBE when cons start killing white people, some will wake up. maybe...we know they love it when Black people are killed.
White cons have never had any problem with killing nigger lovers.

In fact, those are their first targets.

Anyone in doubt can ask the families of Viola Liuzzo or James Reeb, who gave their lives to these fascists.

Look what these people did to them for being nigger lovers :(

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