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ProfX wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:57 am OK, while I generally also am very reluctant to see any censorship of art - I hope you were defending when controversial works like Mapplethrope's Piss Christ were being removed from galleries, for example - public monuments are put up for the public to honor people at public expense.

This idea is just silly. Statues of Stalin were taken down in much of Eastern Europe after the fall of the Soviet Union. Swastikas and statues of Hitler and other Nazi Party members were taken down after 1945. I could keep going. I won't even get into the U.S. soldiers who assisted taking down a very prominent statue of Saddam Hussein in Iraq in 2003.... monuments maintained at public expense are not just "works of art". In most cases, these statues of Confederate leaders were taken down and moved to museums where viewing them is a CHOICE and discussed in proper historical context ... I am perfectly fine with that.

Oh, and if they were just destroyed, well again for purposes of historical records, I at least hope photos and other documentation were kept, because all history, including how it's chosen to be remembered (historiography), needs to be documented, but I won't lose much sleep. :D

BTW, CRT is not a "college elective". Undergraduates who go on to law school might encounter it, but it's not even a core part of law school curriculum. It's something that might be covered IN a course (probably on race and the law), there are no courses on/in/of "CRT" as a subject.
Piss Christ is not art and if in your opinion it is it certainly doesn't rate having tax dollars pay for it.
Most if not all of the Confederate monuments were put up with donations. Plus there is no doubt about those statues being art by any standard.
Your comparisons to people like Hitler is just not an accurate or truthful comparison.

As for CRT yes the left would like to get it into public schools k-12. Which would be ok depending on the text book and how it is taught and you could get the political agenda removed from same.
Lastly I know of no Confederate statues which were removed to a museum
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marindem01 wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 12:45 pm How stupid Glenn is comes to mind.
http://www.radiofreeliberal.com/viewtop ... lies#p8212

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Glennfs wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:47 pm Piss Christ is not art
I disagree. Of course, that whole subject, of what is or isn't, won't get settled until one of us takes a urinal and paints it blue and puts it in a gallery.

But I digress. (Hat tip to Marcel Duchamp.)

In some semi-seriousness, the what is art question is one that can't be answered on a MB, but I kinda definitely wonder about someone who says Mapplethorpe's work isn't, whereas he thinks crap like this is worth defending.

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C'mon, regardless of who it's depicting, the artist should have just shit on the lawn, it would have been a better "work of art". (P.S. it WAS taken down in Dec. of 2021.)
Most if not all of the Confederate monuments were put up with donations.
Source? If they are displayed on public lands and property, they are maintained with public tax dollars.
Plus there is no doubt about those statues being art by any standard.
Many of the ones in cities throughout the South are actually identical to each other, because they were literally cast out of a single mold.
Your comparisons to people like Hitler is just not an accurate or truthful comparison.
You can ask some of the slaves they had whipped and executed how they feel about it.
As for CRT yes the left would like to get it into public schools k-12. Which would be ok depending on the text book and how it is taught and you could get the political agenda removed from same.
You really have no idea what you're talking about.
Lastly I know of no Confederate statues which were removed to a museum
Your ignorance of events is your problem.

Richmond's Robert E. Lee statue will move to the city's Black History Museum
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/30/10690810 ... ory-museum
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A high percentage of the Confederate statues were mail ordered from makers in the northeast US. Hundreds were mass produced, cast from the same molds. If these are to be considered as art, then we should similarly honor plastic Chinese lawn flamingos. Actually, they were merchandise, and could be ordered in identical versions with Union uniforms if the customer so desired.

Most were placed many years after the war, and with no intent to honor its veterans or casualties. Sometimes you find references to "Southern heritage." In many cases, the underlying symbolism eventually came to be a more tasteful WHITES ONLY sign.
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Let’s talk about hypocrisy. Glenn wants to keep blacks having to pay tax dollars to maintain statues dedicated to people who fought to keep their ancestors enslaved. He doesn’t give a shit for their feelings. He just doesn’t care.

But he supports censoring the teaching of the history of the civil rights era, because it might hurt the fee-fees of white kids when they find out what THEIR grandpas and grandmas did to attack Ruby Bridges, a little girl who wanted to go to a decent school.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:37 am As for one and two I agree and wasn't talking about that. I was talking about the false reactions and opinions CJ said I had about those incidents.
Your reaction is still currently that George Floyd would still be alive if he wasn’t a criminal.

Same for Michael Brown.

Your white supremacist culture has trained you from birth to believe in negro crime as a personal existential threat. Nice job.
As for 3 I supported the removal of the flag and thought putting it at the state Confederate memorial was an excellent compromise.
State/government memorials to dead, racist, slavery-enabling traitors should not exist, anywhere in this country.
As for 4 you are simply wrong. I have no problem with CRT being an elective in college.
:lol:

Well now you’re just lying, imitating fellow undereducated cons like JoeMemphis.

These are your exact words about CRT.

Geniuses like you and JoeMemphis could keep from humiliating yourselves in print by simply reading critical race theory. You’ve never read any of it, so how can you claim you “have no problem with it”?

We at RFL who have actually read CRT have told you several times over the course of at least a year that CRT is not “an elective” “in college.”

It’s an entire field of study with study centers, curricula, hundreds of texts, by dozens of professors over the past 40 years. But since you guys are just now hearing about it from white-is-right propagandists like Chris Rufo, Heritage Foundation, Manhattan Institute, and amplified by Donald Trump and every other rightwing outlet, you say stupid, ignorant things like this.
As for 5 …
These confederate truckers keep flying the slavery flag in 2022, like Republicans at Trump and tea party rallies.

You bought the shirt at the same time your state kept making headline news, thanks to you WSs who support the main symbol of USian whites-rule.

Today, you vote for the party that had embraced not only this symbol of white supremacy, but that passes white supremacist, anti-minority laws made by WNs like MGT, Bieber’s, Greene, Brown, Johnson, Jordan, Cruz, etc.

That’s because you are one.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:47 pm Piss Christ is not art and if in your opinion it is it certainly doesn't rate having tax dollars pay for it.
"Public tax dollars" pay for you guys's memorials to dead racists, slavedrivers, and the rest of the stupid run-of-the-mill f#cks who fought to keep the slavery economy intact.

"Public tax dollars" paid for you guys's government-forced white supremacism for centuries.

You'll live if something like Piss Christ was funded by the NEA 30+ years ago. Or anything else like it that comes after it.
Most if not all of the Confederate monuments were put up with donations.
This is a lie.

Start with the public monuments, memorials, state parks, schools, just in your own state.

List of Confederate monuments and memorials in South Carolina - wiki

Black people's "public tax dollars" pay for this trash. That form of white supremacism, where we're forced to bankroll memories of your amoral behavior and monuments to your race-based mass murder, is the entire point.

Your contention has nothing whatsoever to do with "art," stop gaslighting yourself. And cry me a river about the NEA funding Piss Christ, lmao.
Plus there is no doubt about those statues being art by any standard.
Your comparisons to people like Hitler is just not an accurate or truthful comparison.
Yes, it is.

Slavery and segregation -- what you WSs call states rights -- was totalitarian government imposed with mass violence and legal madate.

It just wasn't a totalitarian state for you and your relatives.
As for CRT yes the left would like to get it into public schools k-12. Which would be ok depending on the text book and how it ...
:lol:

You don't know anything about it, becuase you've never read it, and couldn't reconize it if you saw it.


What political agenda are you referring to?

Pro tip: sit down and read some actual CRT before trying to answer.

After that, go ahead and tell us where you guys get this idea that "the left would like to get it into public schools k-12."

This ought to be good for a laugh or two.
Lastly I know of no Confederate statues which were removed to a museum
Well, you don't know about a lot of things. It shows.
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gounion wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:55 pm Let’s talk about hypocrisy. Glenn wants to keep blacks having to pay tax dollars to maintain statues dedicated to people who fought to keep their ancestors enslaved. He doesn’t give a shit for their feelings. He just doesn’t care.

But he supports censoring the teaching of the history of the civil rights era, because it might hurt the fee-fees of white kids when they find out what THEIR grandpas and grandmas did to attack Ruby Bridges, a little girl who wanted to go to a decent school.
Conservative whites of the era had no issues with their own "public tax dollars" or anyone else's going to pay for government-forced educational inequality, government-forced housing discrimination, Equalization Schools (a uniquely South Carolina attempt at maintaining forced race-based segregation)...and they still have ZERO issues with us having to pay the salaries of gang members with guns and badges continuing to murder our people.

None. They DEEPLY resent any protest or attempt to change these conditions because they think their miserable lives depend on it.

This is how present-day white supremacism works.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:47 pm Piss Christ is not art and if in your opinion it is it certainly doesn't rate having tax dollars pay for it.
Art is subjective and not everyone will agree on what is and what isn't art.
Most if not all of the Confederate monuments were put up with donations. Plus there is no doubt about those statues being art by any standard.
Those statues were put up on public property honoring those who wanted to destroy they United States.
Your comparisons to people like Hitler is just not an accurate or truthful comparison.
Why isn't the comparison accurate or truthful?
As for CRT yes the left would like to get it into public schools k-12. Which would be ok depending on the text book and how it is taught and you could get the political agenda removed from same.
Of course, CRT is a graduate level course meaning the students have already earned a college degree so why do you think children who haven't graduated from elementary, middle school, or high school will be taught a college graduate level coarse?
Lastly I know of no Confederate statues which were removed to a museum
Now you will. The statue of Robert E. Lee that was in Richmond, VA, will be moved to the Black History and Cultural Center of Virginia.
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/30/10690810 ... ory-museum
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Glennfs wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:53 pm http://www.radiofreeliberal.com/viewtop ... lies#p8212

Alex I'll take hypocrisy for 1000
What does this post with the word "bullies" highlighted have to do with what marindem wrote?
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Number6 wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:04 pm
Of course, CRT is a graduate level course meaning the students have already earned a college degree so why do you think children who haven't graduated from elementary, middle school, or high school will be taught a college graduate level coarse?
It's not a course. It's a whole field of study, js.
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carmenjonze wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:19 pm It's not a course. It's a whole field of study, js.
I stand corrected.
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Let me put it this way. While I certainly agree "theory" has different meanings in physical and social science, ...

you don't learn "string theory" in a string theory course, you might perhaps in a class on cosmology, astrophysics, etc.

Likewise, there are no courses in/on "critical race theory," but as CJ keeps noting, it's a field of study/theory you will most likely encounter in law school.... where it evolved out of the critical legal studies of the 60s and 70s.

The key concept is one that's very relevant to many of our debates here, but essentially it is that law is not neutral, not to class, or race, or ... well a variety of other things, as well. That institutional and structural racism exists within our legal and judicial systems (and not just law enforcement). Justice in this country is not colorblind.

People may want to debate this concept, but nobody who formulated this was interested in simply making white kids (or anybody) feel bad about themselves or their ancestors. Indeed, focusing on institutions removes the focus of simply looking at individuals and what they do or don't think or feel.
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Number6 wrote: Sat Mar 19, 2022 7:04 pm Those statues were put up on public property honoring those who wanted to destroy they United States.
It's kind of hilarious to me that Glennfs believes there has to be any "compromise" with them, including about their publically-bankrolled idolatry to whites-rule.

Hey, confederates! You lost!

:lol: There's your compromise!
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Board cons would crawl across cut glass to vote for this lying, stupid hypocrite.


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He also repeatedly rails against fatherless homes in the Black community, and says the greatest achievement of his life is being a good dad. Me
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