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[Glennfs]

Ah, the "power of positive thinking".

Ignore the reality. And if you fail, then it's YOUR fault, and people like Glenn can ignore the reality of what black people actually face. That way nothing needs to change, right, Glenn?

If you are rejected at Harvard, it's YOUR fault. Never mind that legacies get the door wide open for them.

Again you bring up Harvard which is ridiculous.
Again we are speaking about universities on the level of land grant schools.
There are very few students in our country who are qualified to attend Ivy League schools

[gounion]

Again you bring up Harvard which is ridiculous.
Again we are speaking about universities on the level of land grant schools.
There are very few students in our country who are qualified to attend Ivy League schools

And suddenly, if the SC knocks down Affirmative Action, there will be a lot fewer black students at such schools, which, of course, will STILL allow under-qualified legacy student attend. But that will be fine with you.

[Glennfs]

And suddenly, if the SC knocks down Affirmative Action, there will be a lot fewer black students at such schools, which, of course, will STILL allow under-qualified legacy student attend. But that will be fine with you.

You are assuming that African Americans aren't getting accepted based on their own merit.
You are basically saying the white kids have better qualifications. I disagree I believe African American children are just as qualified and can get in on their merit.
Those who can't can go to community colleges to hone up on subjects they are behind in.
Like my daughter did between graduating College of Charleston with a degree in communications and getting into MUSC.

[gounion]

You are assuming that African Americans aren't getting accepted based on their own merit.
You are basically saying the white kids have better qualifications. I disagree I believe African American children are just as qualified and can get in on their merit.
Those who can't can go to community colleges to hone up on subjects they are behind in.
Like my daughter did between graduating College of Charleston with a degree in communications and getting into MUSC.

So you’re saying if the black kids can’t get in “On their own merit”, that they are therefore intellectually inferior? Yes or no?

And do you think G W Bush was accepted in Harvard and Yale under his own merit? Hell, he was rejected at a Texas College.

[Glennfs]

So you’re saying if the black kids can’t get in “On their own merit”, that they are therefore intellectually inferior? Yes or no?

And do you think G W Bush was accepted in Harvard and Yale under his own merit? Hell, he was rejected at a Texas College.

No that is what you are saying. I am saying that minority children are equal to every other child and can stand and be judged on their own merits.
While you are say they can't compete against white children and need an extra boost.
And
If they do have trouble getting in there are other avenues available. Many kids go to community college to get caught up. It has nothing to do with race.

[gounion]

No that is what you are saying. I am saying that minority children are equal to every other child and can stand and be judged on their own merits.
While you are say they can't compete against white children and need an extra boost.
And
If they do have trouble getting in there are other avenues available. Many kids go to community college to get caught up. It has nothing to do with race.

You're saying you're fine with undeserving white students getting in front of more-deserving black students. Legacy admissions.

We have a system that discriminates against black students. And you're fine with that. You want the best colleges to refuse most black students in favor of less-deserving whites.

Just looked it up, Affirmative Action admissions at Harvard are less than 10%, but legacy admissions are about 30%. That says it all.

[Glennfs]

You're saying you're fine with undeserving white students getting in front of more-deserving black students. Legacy admissions.

We have a system that discriminates against black students. And you're fine with that. You want the best colleges to refuse most black students in favor of less-deserving whites.

Just looked it up, Affirmative Action admissions at Harvard are less than 10%, but legacy admissions are about 30%. That says it all.

Those same legacy admissions get in front of better qualified white students also.
Bottom line is you believe minority students are inferior and therefore need special rules.
Again Harvard has nothing to do with the subject we are talking about.

[gounion]

Those same legacy admissions get in front of better qualified white students also.
Bottom line is you believe minority students are inferior and therefore need special rules.
Again Harvard has nothing to do with the subject we are talking about.

So you're fine with underqualified whites getting in front of other whites.

But NOT in favor of any blacks getting in front of whites.

Again, explain to my why you see blacks as inferior to whites. Why do blacks have lower test scores?

[Bludogdem]

Those same legacy admissions get in front of better qualified white students also.

Apparently not.


“ Academically, legacy applicants tended to have slightly lower high school grades. But the lower achieving legacy applicants were generally rejected. Among the admitted legacies, grades and test scores were indistinguishable from non-legacy students. Both groups had an average SAT score that surpassed 1430. Once on campus, legacy students tended to have slightly higher college grades, but their involvement in campus activities, merit awards, academic recognition and on-time graduation rates were indistinguishable from non-legacy students. In sum, legacy students, on average, were about as academically strong as non-legacy students, neither superior nor inferior.”

https://hechingerreport.org/proof-point ... dmissions/

[gounion]

Apparently not.


“ Academically, legacy applicants tended to have slightly lower high school grades. But the lower achieving legacy applicants were generally rejected. Among the admitted legacies, grades and test scores were indistinguishable from non-legacy students. Both groups had an average SAT score that surpassed 1430. Once on campus, legacy students tended to have slightly higher college grades, but their involvement in campus activities, merit awards, academic recognition and on-time graduation rates were indistinguishable from non-legacy students. In sum, legacy students, on average, were about as academically strong as non-legacy students, neither superior nor inferior.”

https://hechingerreport.org/proof-point ... dmissions/

Affirmative Action students usually do quite well too.

But let’s remember C student GW Bush getting into both Harvard and Yale.

It’s all about keeping the upper class pure and those damned blacks out.

[Glennfs]

Affirmative Action students usually do quite well too.

But let’s remember C student GW Bush getting into both Harvard and Yale.

It’s all about keeping the upper class pure and those damned blacks out.

Again with the Ivy League shit. That has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

Yes wealthy privileged children from powerful families like Al Gore get special treatment.

BFD that is not keeping minorities or poor whites from getting into Akron U or Wichita State.

The Ivy League has nothing to do with this discussion

[gounion]

Again with the Ivy League shit. That has nothing to do with what we are discussing.

Yes wealthy privileged children from powerful families like Al Gore get special treatment.

BFD that is not keeping minorities or poor whites from getting into Akron U or Wichita State.

The Ivy League has nothing to do with this discussion

Actually, Affirmative Action is ALL about the Ivys. Those schools are the entry to the halls of power and major corporations. A Ivy-League degree gets you into the best law firms and such. Look at all the people at the top of government that have Ivy League degrees. Where did Clarence Thomas go to school? YALE. And he wouldn’t have done so without Affirmative Action.

I mean, loosing Affirmative Action doesn’t keep kids out of the community college. It keeps them out of the top schools, and keeps the Bushes in. If getting into these schools were all about merit, then GW Bush would never have went to either. But it would probably have meant that a bi-racial kid from Hawaii would never have made it.

[hottentot venus]

No I think you should tell teach and convince your nephew that we live in a racist country.

One where he has no chance at being successful.

One where the police are out to kill him.
One where he will probably get sent to

prison for a crime he didn't commit

I didn't have to teach him that at all...this society that you make excuses for on the regular did...

As opposed to teaching him that we live in the greatest country in the history of mankind.

One where 28pct of African Americans over age 25 have a bachelor's degree or better.

One where the only limits on how far he can go in life is based upon his own abilities and ambition

One where hard work and dedication always pays off.

THIS I taught him on the regular until I could not any more....

No you tell and teach him he has no chance in this racist terrible country that you and most other liberals hate and despise.

Liberals don't h8 and despise this country. We see it's potential and know it can do better...

Then when your self projecting profecy comes true be sure and blame Republicans and conservatives.

No need to, y'all step on those rakes all on your own, G...

[Glennfs]

Actually, Affirmative Action is ALL about the Ivys. Those schools are the entry to the halls of power and major corporations. A Ivy-League degree gets you into the best law firms and such. Look at all the people at the top of government that have Ivy League degrees. Where did Clarence Thomas go to school? YALE. And he wouldn’t have done so without Affirmative Action.

I mean, loosing Affirmative Action doesn’t keep kids out of the community college. It keeps them out of the top schools, and keeps the Bushes in. If getting into these schools were all about merit, then GW Bush would never have went to either. But it would probably have meant that a bi-racial kid from Hawaii would never have made it.

You just can't have an honest and reasonable discussion.
You harp on Ivy League schools because you know you are wrong.
I doubt more than 1pct of HS graduates are qualified to go to Ivy League schools.
Even fewer for graduates from public high schools.
Again we are talking about land grant schools where the other 99pct go.

[gounion]

You just can't have an honest and reasonable discussion.
You harp on Ivy League schools because you know you are wrong.
I doubt more than 1pct of HS graduates are qualified to go to Ivy League schools.
Even fewer for graduates from public high schools.
Again we are talking about land grant schools where the other 99pct go.

No, the case before the Supreme Court is about Harvard.

[Bludogdem]

It’s two cases.

On October 31, 2022, the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral arguments in two cases about the consideration of race in college admissions: SFFA v. UNC and SFFA v. Harvard.

It’s interesting that California and several other states ban race based admissions. Seem to be doing ok.

The problem here is colleges discriminating against a race because they are just too smart. But it is discrimination and that’s just flat wrong.

[gounion]

It’s two cases.

On October 31, 2022, the U.S. Supreme Court heard oral arguments in two cases about the consideration of race in college admissions: SFFA v. UNC and SFFA v. Harvard.

It’s interesting that California and several other states ban race based admissions. Seem to be doing ok.

The problem here is colleges discriminating against a race because they are just too smart. But it is discrimination and that’s just flat wrong.

That is true, there are two cases. But obviously Glenn can’t say “they isn’t about Harvard”.

Ah, so one race is genetically superior, smarter than other races.

Not surprised you feel that way. Not surprised at all.

And yeah, California Universities are turning out just the way you want: https://edsource.org/2022/as-supreme-co ... ale/679692

UC has since implemented a number of policies designed to increase diversity, from outreach efforts targeted at low-income students to admission guarantees to more students. But while those policies improved geographic diversity and increased enrollment among low-income students, they have failed to bring racial diversity to UC’s student body that’s representative of the state, UC acknowledged in an amicus brief it filed to the Supreme Court this summer.

UC told the Supreme Court that “despite its extensive efforts, UC struggles to enroll a student body that is sufficiently racially diverse to attain the educational benefits of diversity. The shortfall is especially apparent at UC’s most selective campuses, where African American, Native American, and Latinx students are underrepresented and widely report struggling with feelings of racial isolation.”

The state’s high school seniors in 2021 were 54% Latino and 5.4% Black. But that fall, UC’s incoming freshmen were 26% Latino, and 4.4% Black.

[Bludogdem]

That is true, there are two cases. But obviously Glenn can’t say “they isn’t about Harvard”.

Ah, so one race is genetically superior, smarter than other races.

Not surprised you feel that way. Not surprised at all.

And yeah, California Universities are turning out just the way you want: https://edsource.org/2022/as-supreme-co ... ale/679692

Nothing genetic. They’re simply committed to education and work harder.

4.4% of student body from 5.4% of the population is extraordinary.

[gounion]

Nothing genetic. They’re simply committed to education and work harder.

4.4% of student body from 5.4% of the population is extraordinary.

Ah, blacks are lazy. Got it. That’s why they can’t get into the good schools - too lazy.

You can’t tell me that GW Bush worked harder than other students to get into Harvard and Yale.

[Bludogdem]

Ah, blacks are lazy. Got it. That’s why they can’t get into the good schools - too lazy.

You can’t tell me that GW Bush worked harder than other students to get into Harvard and Yale.

Not lazy. Just stuck in bad schools.

GW Bush isn’t a member of the race that is culturally committed to education and does the hard work to attain it.

You have no idea why the lawsuit was brought and who brought it do you?

[gounion]

Not lazy. Just stuck in bad schools.

GW Bush isn’t a member of the race that is culturally committed to education and does the hard work to attain it.

You have no idea why the lawsuit was brought and who brought it do you?

Yep. It was Asians that brought it. Thought you'd set a little trap, didn't you? Idiot.

[Bludogdem]

Yep. It was Asians that brought it. Thought you'd set a little trap, didn't you? Idiot.

So you finally figured it out.

When you throw Bush out there you should include John Kerry.

[gounion]

So you finally figured it out.

When you throw Bush out there you should include John Kerry.

Didn't figure it out. Always knew it. You're not half as clever as you think you are.

As for Bush, he's a singular example. His application to the University of Texas Law School was rejected, but Yale accepted him. He was also a mediocre student at Phillips Academy in Andover. He was always scared of flunking out and embarrassing the family.

Prior to college, John Kerry was a a good student at the private boarding schools he attended. I don't know, his grades may have been good enough to make it to Yale without being a legacy. It's certain that it was the ONLY reason Bush went to Harvard and Yale.

But which is it - blacks are just lazy, as you insinuated at first, or that they are just in crummy schools in our segregated nation, where the rich white kids ALWAYS have the best of schools and teachers?

Or is it that black kids are just genetically less intelligent?

Because it's got to be something.

[Bludogdem]

Didn't figure it out. Always knew it. You're not half as clever as you think you are.

As for Bush, he's a singular example. His application to the University of Texas Law School was rejected, but Yale accepted him. He was also a mediocre student at Phillips Academy in Andover. He was always scared of flunking out and embarrassing the family.

Prior to college, John Kerry was a a good student at the private boarding schools he attended. I don't know, his grades may have been good enough to make it to Yale without being a legacy. It's certain that it was the ONLY reason Bush went to Harvard and Yale.

But which is it - blacks are just lazy, as you insinuated at first, or that they are just in crummy schools in our segregated nation, where the rich white kids ALWAYS have the best of schools and teachers?

Or is it that black kids are just genetically less intelligent?

Because it's got to be something.

It’s schools.

And Kerry wouldn’t release his Sat scores.

Bush had higher grades (by 1 point) at Yale than Kerry. Kerry was a legacy.

[gounion]

It’s schools.

And Kerry wouldn’t release his Sat scores.

Bush had higher grades (by 1 point) at Yale than Kerry. Kerry was a legacy.

But Bush was rejected by the University of Texas! So he had ZERO chance of ever getting into Yale and Harvard on his own merits.

Again, we’re talking about getting admitted, not about their grades AFTER admission.