Racist/Corrupt/Immoral Police Thread.

[JoeMemphis]

Again, you don’t give a fuck for anyone’s rights but Trump.

Glad that YOU know who all the habitual criminals are, and if they were guilty of the new accusations. You need to go to the courts and let them know that you are clairvoyant.

I’m sorry, there’s a REASON for our justice system. You are just against it and don’t think it applies to black people, do you?

I never mentioned race. I say “habitual criminals” and you automatically think about black people. Sounds like you are the one with some kind of racial bias.

I do have to laugh when you accuse me of being clairvoyant. I always call for investigations. You pronounce people guilty based on little more than hearsay and often before they’ve been charged. You should follow your own advice and wait on the facts. After all, you say there’s a reason for our justice system. You just haven’t figured out what it is.

[gounion]

I never mentioned race. I say “habitual criminals” and you automatically think about black people. Sounds like you are the one with some kind of racial bias.

I do have to laugh when you accuse me of being clairvoyant. I always call for investigations. You pronounce people guilty based on little more than hearsay and often before they’ve been charged. You should follow your own advice and wait on the facts. After all, you say there’s a reason for our justice system. You just haven’t figured out what it is.

Yes, Joe, you do. Don’t pretend. Blacks are who the cops go after. Just like Rudy’s “stop and frisk” in New York that was found unconstitutional because they targeted young black men. You don’t want a justice system, You do NOT want investigations you want them JAILED without bail for months and months. You don’t give a shit what that would do to a person that isn’t guilty but instead just accused by cops. You don’t care if it ruins their lives.

You don’t care that crime is down - you just pretend it isn’t. You ignore THOSE facts. You just want people imprisoned without bail. Tell me Joe, what crimes have you been a victim of?

You have no problem with the habitual criminal that’s the head of your party running free.

[JoeMemphis]

Yes, Joe, you do. Don’t pretend. Blacks are who the cops go after. Just like Rudy’s “stop and frisk” in New York that was found unconstitutional because they targeted young black men. You don’t want a justice system, You do NOT want investigations you want them JAILED without bail for months and months. You don’t give a shit what that would do to a person that isn’t guilty but instead just accused by cops. You don’t care if it ruins their lives.

You don’t care that crime is down - you just pretend it isn’t. You ignore THOSE facts. You just want people imprisoned without bail. Tell me Joe, what crimes have you been a victim of?

You have no problem with the habitual criminal that’s the head of your party running free.

Awww. There you go trying to be clairvoyant again. You are a regular Dionne Warwick. You can’t even read your own mind much less anyone else. In one post you bitch about clairvoyants and then in another you claim to be one. You are nothing but a habitual chronic hypocrite and a dumbass to boot. You demonstrate it with each and every thread. You have done so for years.

[gounion]

Awww. There you go trying to be clairvoyant again. You are a regular Dionne Warwick. You can’t even read your own mind much less anyone else. In one post you bitch about clairvoyants and then in another you claim to be one. You are nothing but a habitual chronic hypocrite and a dumbass to boot. You demonstrate it with each and every thread. You have done so for years.

You’re the one that knows if people are guilty without being found guilty. Not me.

[Glennfs]

Yes, his callouts are. If they are attacked, it'll be because Trump has been attacking them. He will be responsible.

I am glad to see you finally agree with me about people making violent callouts. Even though it took you a while to realize the dangers involved. Good to know you are man enough to admit you've been wrong about those pre Trump callouts.

[JoeMemphis]

You’re the one that knows if people are guilty without being found guilty. Not me.

Didn’t say they were guilty. I said they were habitual criminals with multiple arrests. There is a difference. I don’t expect you to get it?

Is bail unconstitutional in your view? Sounds like you see no reason for bail. Release everybody until after trial? Is that your proposal? If not, then exactly what is it you propose? Haven’t heard that. Only heard baseless accusations implying fellow board members are somehow racists if they don’t agree with your views on law enforcement. So tell us what YOU propose.

[Glennfs]

Didn’t say they were guilty. I said they were habitual criminals with multiple arrests. There is a difference. I don’t expect you to get it?

Is bail unconstitutional in your view? Sounds like you see no reason for bail. Release everybody until after trial? Is that your proposal? If not, then exactly what is it you propose? Haven’t heard that. Only heard baseless accusations implying fellow board members are somehow racists if they don’t agree with your views on law enforcement. So tell us what YOU propose.

Here is the truth about how this actually works. Most people who get arrested are habitual offenders. Mostly of non violent crimes directly or indirectly related to drugs.

They get booked and sent to county jail with either no bail or an amount they can't afford.

Which dies not bother them because after 30 to 120 days in lockup they finally get a trail date.

At which time their PD comes to then and offers a timed served plea deal.

Which they not only knew was coming but they eagerly accept. A day or two later they are released.

Then rinse and repeat.

People here from all stripes are very nice people who obviously have not had friends or family in the system.

It has been this way for at least the last 3plus decades

[Motor City]

Didn’t say they were guilty. I said they were habitual criminals with multiple arrests. There is a difference. I don’t expect you to get it?

Is bail unconstitutional in your view? Sounds like you see no reason for bail. Release everybody until after trial? Is that your proposal? If not, then exactly what is it you propose? Haven’t heard that. Only heard baseless accusations implying fellow board members are somehow racists if they don’t agree with your views on law enforcement. So tell us what YOU propose.

Some police lie about and embellish charges some departments are administered in corrupt ways by their executives that result in false charges, it could be that a person with multiple arrests reflects that corruption not their own behavior.

[JoeMemphis]

Some police lie about and embellish charges some departments are administered in corrupt ways by their executives that result in false charges, it could be that a person with multiple arrests reflects that corruption not their own behavior.

Or it could mean they are habitual criminals. Not every cop is corrupt. Not every police department is corrupt. So are we going to do away with bail and release everyone back into society no matter the charge and no matter what their arrest record might be? Do you think that will reduce crime or just encourage more people to commit crimes because there is no downside.

I would bet that in every profession you have a few bad actors. Are we to judge the entire profession by the acts or actions of a few. The vast majority of police interactions are peaceful and do not involve violence. The vast majority of those encounters that require force are justified. Let’s try not to throw out the baby with the bath water.

[Motor City]

Or it could mean they are habitual criminals. Not every cop is corrupt. Not every police department is corrupt. So are we going to do away with bail and release everyone back into society no matter the charge and no matter what their arrest record might be? Do you think that will reduce crime or just encourage more people to commit crimes because there is no downside.

I would bet that in every profession you have a few bad actors. Are we to judge the entire profession by the acts or actions of a few. The vast majority of police interactions are peaceful and do not involve violence. The vast majority of those encounters that require force are justified. Let’s try not to throw out the baby with the bath water.

Enough are corrupt to make multiple arrests as a stand alone, inconclusive as a standard to determine a persons worth on the spot, If all those corruptions were non existent and not in the way maybe you take it at face value but that isn't the world we live in. IF you make that the standard as things are you encourage corrupt police or departments or executives to false arrest people as a way to do away with their future rights or ability to defend themselves from further false arrests.

On bail a judge determines who is eligible for that

Doing away with cash bail that places a larger burden on poor defendants than rich ones for the same charge is the right thing to do

[JoeMemphis]

Enough are corrupt to make multiple arrests as a stand alone, inconclusive as a standard to determine a persons worth on the spot, If all those corruptions were non existent and not in the way maybe you take it at face value but that isn't the world we live in. IF you make that the standard as things are you encourage corrupt police or departments or executives to false arrest people as a way to do away with their future rights or ability to defend themselves from further false arrests.

On bail a judge determines who is eligible for that

Doing away with cash bail that places a larger burden on poor defendants than rich ones for the same charge is the right thing to do

A judge has always decided bail. Laws that take away cash bail remove discretion from the judge. We disagree on the widespread corruption you seem to believe exist in law enforcement. Bail is there to protect the public from repeat offenders. Releasing repeat offenders out on the street just creates more victims. Victims that more often than not are the poor and defenseless.

Placing a higher priority on the rights of repeat offenders over the rights of law abiding citizens doesn’t make us safer nor is it more just. It just encourages career criminals.

JMHO.

[ap215]

Los Angeles officer who shot and killed teen girl in dressing room won’t face charges

A Los Angeles police officer who shot and killed a teenage girl with a stray bullet will not be charged over the incident, the California Department of Justice announced Wednesday.

Officer William Dorsey Jones Jr. fired his rifle three times into a Burlington Coat Factory department store when pursuing a man who had attacked two women in December 2021.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... e-charges/

[bird]

Los Angeles officer who shot and killed teen girl in dressing room won’t face charges

A Los Angeles police officer who shot and killed a teenage girl with a stray bullet will not be charged over the incident, the California Department of Justice announced Wednesday.

Officer William Dorsey Jones Jr. fired his rifle three times into a Burlington Coat Factory department store when pursuing a man who had attacked two women in December 2021.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... e-charges/

Just a good guy with a gun.

[gounion]

A judge has always decided bail. Laws that take away cash bail remove discretion from the judge. We disagree on the widespread corruption you seem to believe exist in law enforcement. Bail is there to protect the public from repeat offenders. Releasing repeat offenders out on the street just creates more victims. Victims that more often than not are the poor and defenseless.

Placing a higher priority on the rights of repeat offenders over the rights of law abiding citizens doesn’t make us safer nor is it more just. It just encourages career criminals.

JMHO.

You want to take away the rights of judges to decide. You want to put people into jail for months and months who have not been convicted. You have no caring for those who aren't guilty.

We already have "three strikes" laws. But you want "no strike" laws for poor black men that cops unjustly target.

[JoeMemphis]

You want to take away the rights of judges to decide. You want to put people into jail for months and months who have not been convicted. You have no caring for those who aren't guilty.

We already have "three strikes" laws. But you want "no strike" laws for poor black men that cops unjustly target.

Again. You speak against clairvoyants and then you act like one. How confused are you?

You should stop putting words in the mouths of others. Speak for yourself if you can.

I asked a question, what would you propose? Do you have an answer? Is bail unconstitutional? Should we do away with it altogether and just allow all these repeat offenders to wander the streets until trial? You are full of criticism for law enforcement but I have yet to hear a proposal from you on this matter. So enlighten us as to the GoU theory for public safety and law enforcement.

[gounion]

Again. You speak against clairvoyants and then you act like one. How confused are you?

You should stop putting words in the mouths of others. Speak for yourself if you can.

I asked a question, what would you propose? Do you have an answer? Is bail unconstitutional? Should we do away with it altogether and just allow all these repeat offenders to wander the streets until trial? You are full of criticism for law enforcement but I have yet to hear a proposal from you on this matter. So enlighten us as to the GoU theory for public safety and law enforcement.

I think for the most part our criminal system works for defendants where bail is concerned. As I pointed out, and you refuse to even believe, the FACTS show crime has went way down, so I'd say that part of the system works. You just denied it was true, like you guys do, you don't deal in reality.

And yes, I'm critical of law enforcement when a cop can murder a man and walk free. Like the cop that killed Philando Castile.

Tell me, Joe, take a look at the case which caused you to come here and decide that people YOU don't like should be held without bail. Was the person in that case black? Yes or no?

[Glennfs]

I think for the most part our criminal system works for defendants where bail is concerned. As I pointed out, and you refuse to even believe, the FACTS show crime has went way down, so I'd say that part of the system works. You just denied it was true, like you guys do, you don't deal in reality.

And yes, I'm critical of law enforcement when a cop can murder a man and walk free. Like the cop that killed Philando Castile.

Tell me, Joe, take a look at the case which caused you to come here and decide that people YOU don't like should be held without bail. Was the person in that case black? Yes or no?

So you believe if the person were white with the exact same record he would have been let out on bail?

[gounion]

So you believe if the person were white with the exact same record he would have been let out on bail?

We KNOW that whites are statistically treated FAR more leniently than blacks are, all the time. Duh.

[JoeMemphis]

I think for the most part our criminal system works for defendants where bail is concerned. As I pointed out, and you refuse to even believe, the FACTS show crime has went way down, so I'd say that part of the system works. You just denied it was true, like you guys do, you don't deal in reality.

And yes, I'm critical of law enforcement when a cop can murder a man and walk free. Like the cop that killed Philando Castile.

Tell me, Joe, take a look at the case which caused you to come here and decide that people YOU don't like should be held without bail. Was the person in that case black? Yes or no?

What does race have to do with it? Shouldn’t your question be concerned with his arrest record? Shouldn’t we be concerned with the crimes he was charged with and then released without bail? Isn’t out Justice system supposed to be colorblind? Are you capable of looking at the facts in this case and judging whether is was a wise decision to release this man without bail back into society where he killed a police officer and wounded two other officers. Are you capable of that? Or should we, after years of saying we should judge people as individuals based on their own merits, return to a time where we ignore the actions and merits of an individual and judge people based on race, religion etc etc etc. That appears to be what you are arguing. If someone commits murder, is the victim less dead if he/she was killed by a member of a protected class or should we at least consider the unique facts and circumstances in the case without resorting to class/race warfare. Seems to me if we ever want to get to a system people again will trust, we need to get away from painting every issue by race.

[gounion]

What does race have to do with it? Shouldn’t your question be concerned with his arrest record? Shouldn’t we be concerned with the crimes he was charged with and then released without bail? Isn’t out Justice system supposed to be colorblind? Are you capable of looking at the facts in this case and judging whether is was a wise decision to release this man without bail back into society where he killed a police officer and wounded two other officers. Are you capable of that? Or should we, after years of saying we should judge people as individuals based on their own merits, return to a time where we ignore the actions and merits of an individual and judge people based on race, religion etc etc etc. That appears to be what you are arguing. If someone commits murder, is the victim less dead if he/she was killed by a member of a protected class or should we at least consider the unique facts and circumstances in the case without resorting to class/race warfare. Seems to me if we ever want to get to a system people again will trust, we need to get away from painting every issue by race.

Our justice system ISN'T colorblind. Ask George Floyd. Statistics show that blacks are treated far more harshly for the same crimes that white people are.

So I guess the answer to my question is that, yes, the guy that you're all pissed off about IS black.

[JoeMemphis]

Our justice system ISN'T colorblind. Ask George Floyd. Statistics show that blacks are treated far more harshly for the same crimes that white people are.

So I guess the answer to my question is that, yes, the guy that you're all pissed off about IS black.

Statistics also show that the vast majority of encounters between law enforcement and the public are peaceful. High 90’s percent. Of the encounters that involve use of force, the vast majority of those are justified. So the stats don’t indicate the widespread abuse to which you and MC keep referring. Are there exceptions. Yes. There always are. But they are exceptions and not the rule.

Are we to judge each case on its merits regardless of race or class or not? Is that the standard? Or are you advocating a system biased towards race or protected class as a standard? Which is it?

[gounion]

Statistics also show that the vast majority of encounters between law enforcement and the public are peaceful. High 90’s percent. Of the encounters that involve use of force, the vast majority of those are justified. So the stats don’t indicate the widespread abuse to which you and MC keep referring. Are there exceptions. Yes. There always are. But they are exceptions and not the rule.

Are we to judge each case on its merits regardless of race or class or not? Is that the standard? Or are you advocating a system biased towards race or protected class as a standard? Which is it?

You're not interested in merits of the case. That's what the judge did.

I guess it's fine for the cop that murdered Philando Castile to go free, right?

But hey black people shouldn't even get bail until they are judged.

You're the one refusing to judge cases on merits. If someone has offended before, you judge them guilty this time. That's the reality.

And it's bullshit to say that just because the majority of encounters are peaceful, that the ten percent that aren't are just fine. They aren't. Hell, that's AT LEAST one a week that AREN'T. Black people have to have "the talk" with their children about how to deal with a Police encounter and not turn up dead.

But you don't give a fuck, do you, Joe? You really don't care at all for other people and what they have to endure.

[JoeMemphis]

You're not interested in merits of the case. That's what the judge did.

I guess it's fine for the cop that murdered Philando Castile to go free, right?

But hey black people shouldn't even get bail until they are judged.

You're the one refusing to judge cases on merits. If someone has offended before, you judge them guilty this time. That's the reality.

And it's bullshit to say that just because the majority of encounters are peaceful, that the ten percent that aren't are just fine. They aren't. Hell, that's AT LEAST one a week that AREN'T. Black people have to have "the talk" with their children about how to deal with a Police encounter and not turn up dead.

But you don't give a fuck, do you, Joe? You really don't care at all for other people and what they have to endure.

The percentage of peaceful encounters is in the high 90’s so less than 10 percent involved the use of force. Of the encounters that required use of force, the majority of those were justified. In addition, of the encounters that involved force, many of those involved white people. The vast majority of encounters between law enforcement and the public are peaceful and those that involve force, the vast majority are justified uses of force. Further not all of those encounters are with black people. So the numbers don’t back up what you say.

I think all parents should teach their kids how to interact with law enforcement. Cooperation works best. Resisting isn’t a good idea. It’s been that way for years for people of all races. Teaching kids to be afraid of law enforcement just exacerbates a problem and creates distrust. The numbers clearly don’t justify it.

[gounion]

The percentage of peaceful encounters is in the high 90’s so less than 10 percent involved the use of force. Of the encounters that required use of force, the majority of those were justified. In addition, of the encounters that involved force, many of those involved white people. The vast majority of encounters between law enforcement and the public are peaceful and those that involve force, the vast majority are justified uses of force. Further not all of those encounters are with black people. So the numbers don’t back up what you say.

I think all parents should teach their kids how to interact with law enforcement. Cooperation works best. Resisting isn’t a good idea. It’s been that way for years for people of all races. Teaching kids to be afraid of law enforcement just exacerbates a problem and creates distrust. The numbers clearly don’t justify it.

Was Philando Castile justified? Yes or no?

Again, black people are statistically FAR more in danger during police stops - and are stopped FAR more often than white people. I’ve been stopped about six times in my whole life. I had black co-workers, affluent men, in nice cares, that were stopped more than that in one year. Often on the side of the road, they’d have their car completely unpacked and drug-sniffing dogs brought out.

Ever happen to you? No? Why am I not surprised?

[JoeMemphis]

Was Philando Castile justified? Yes or no?

Again, black people are statistically FAR more in danger during police stops - and are stopped FAR more often than white people. I’ve been stopped about six times in my whole life. I had black co-workers, affluent men, in nice cares, that were stopped more than that in one year. Often on the side of the road, they’d have their car completely unpacked and drug-sniffing dogs brought out.

Ever happen to you? No? Why am I not surprised?

Are there exceptions? Sure. Show me a policy that doesn’t have exceptions. But you don’t throw out a policy that is working based on the exceptions especially when statistically there are few exceptions. If you want to go down that road it only leads to anarchy.