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Motor City wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 4:18 pm
In Detroit charter school management companies have shut down 2 weeks before the school year began and run off with the assets the public paid for, leaving the students to try and find another. It totaly matters who runs a school, that they be accountable to the public.
I don’t disagree. In Memphis we have had 20 to 30 years of failed public schools in the inner city. We are graduating high school seniors who can’t fill it a job application. So we have spent millions upon millions of dollars and have little to show for it.

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ProfessorX wrote:
Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:51 am
I'm perfectly fine with people choosing whatever they want to in K-12 ... homeschool, private, public, online-only ... as I said, as long as it meets state accreditation. We have choice already. The government only says your kid must be educated up to age 16, but not how.

What bothers me is charter schools get some public funding without having all the same accountability to the public as other public schools. There's too many charter schools that seem to be cheating the system, their pupils, and mostly lining the pockets of operators (I'm looking at you Lincoln-Marti.) Needs to be more oversight.

Furthermore, if by "school choice" you mean government-provided vouchers to attend private schools, particularly religious education, I am against. We have choice already, but it's weird how people who say they oppose socialism now think this is one choice government should support financially, regardless of the cost or nature of your choice.

All this I've said before, but since we're here again... the government supports the Post Office, but does not support FedEx or UPS. You can send your package any way you want, you don't HAVE to use the Post Office, but government funds only go to one system. Public education is government-supported, private is not ... same way it works everywhere else, and I'm fine with that.

If poor people also live in areas with struggling schools, my position is we strengthen those public schools. It's a nature of the beast problem as we fund schools with local property taxes, and thus poor people in poor neighborhoods will have a low tax base and poorly funded schools. That, BTW, is an argument for outside support, as I see it. But you knew that.
Shipping a package from a to b is the same as educating a child? Really? 14 to 15 bucks a package versus thousands of dollars. Yep. That’s an apples to apples comparison. So the government gives money to the post office, a quasi government institution. So when the post office pays its vendors, I’m assuming they are using some of that government money. When you send that overnight envelope by USPS, ever wonder how it gets from A to B? I’ll give you a hint. One of FedEx’s large national accounts is the USPS. In fact you often see Fedex drop boxes at the post office. Fedex doesn’t deliver those packages for free.

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this is a funny discussion. its gone on for over 50years, same talk same result.
its like melting cheese since the consideration of constant growing student population is
usually evaded as well then the cost of the ever growing size of the population expected
to learn in the same setting(s). The Same Settings.

but that was then. now, the more magnificent issue of kids going to any classroom private
or public while also raised with the innernet in their hands 24/7/365 since they could hold
a gadget rages within all school systems.
now, the society expects them to attend the same school systemS theyve been arguing
over the last 50 years.
why, its like a comedy of errors.

i say private schools for all as long as they are publicly owned not traded on wallst.
now, why wouldnt that make everyone happy?

or does the profit motive then sink in...ah so much for intellectualism. :rw)
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My county just announced they are not going to open the schools after all this fall. They will start using what they call a "distance learning model, which provided flexibility for cohorts of in person instruction, on a case by case basis."

I think that last part means there are some kids who's parents face hardships, or are about to go nuts, and for them the school will make accommodation to take them off or their parents hands for respite, nutrition, or hardship. Last spring they did continue to offer breakfast and lunch services for some at risk children.

Some respite accommodations may be needed: :|

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JoeMemphis wrote:
Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:35 pm
I don’t disagree. In Memphis we have had 20 to 30 years of failed public schools in the inner city. We are graduating high school seniors who can’t fill it a job application. So we have spent millions upon millions of dollars and have little to show for it.
you also have a lot of years of differential funding and defunding and sabotaging of the public schools in urban areas. what do you think the purpose of that is? thing to do stop attacking and throwing monkey wrenches into it. Maybe suppressing some future scientists, president, or regular person from bringing some kind of advancement improvement or beauty into the world.

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Motor City wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:08 am
you also have a lot of years of differential funding and defunding and sabotaging of the public schools in urban areas. what do you think the purpose of that is? thing to do stop attacking and throwing monkey wrenches into it. Maybe suppressing some future scientists, president, or regular person from bringing some kind of advancement improvement or beauty into the world.
More excuses. You want accountability and then give excuses when it come to public schools. In this city, funding for education is the responsibility of city and county government. That is who is responsible for funding. If funding is inconsistent then the people to see is the city and county government. I haven’t “sabotaged” anything. I have simply stated the obvious. To you that is sabotage?

Maybe accountability means keeping your mouth shut and accepting whatever you’re given by the government?

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I agree with Sam that this perennial topic of 'school choice' is not the topic of our thread, but rather the issues of returning to school in the Fall.

I think everybody knows each other's positions, and it doesn't seem like anybody's convincing each other, so I'll put the carrots back in the fridge.
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ProfessorX wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:20 pm
I agree with Sam that this perennial topic of 'school choice' is not the topic of our thread, but rather the issues of returning to school in the Fall.

I think everybody knows each other's positions, and it doesn't seem like anybody's convincing each other, so I'll put the carrots back in the fridge.
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ProfessorX wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:20 pm
I agree with Sam that this perennial topic of 'school choice' is not the topic of our thread, but rather the issues of returning to school in the Fall.

I think everybody knows each other's positions, and it doesn't seem like anybody's convincing each other, so I'll put the carrots back in the fridge.


we wouldn't send the kids if we knew a shooting was going to happen that day likewise we shouldn't send them back when we know they will transmit deadly covid virus to each other and families.

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Motor City wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 5:18 pm
we wouldn't send the kids if we knew a shooting was going to happen that day likewise we shouldn't send them back when we know they will transmit deadly covid virus to each other and families.
seriously.

each time a major sports team gets near one another in a work setting half of them fall viral ill.
hey lets send the kids to school buildings and watch the little buggers fall like dominoes. sure!

if adults cant get together in any size group without immediately falling viral then what is
expected by shoving children inside rooms in buildings teachers dont even want to be in.

this is a pointless fight. i know..lets get all the stock traders back inside the stock exchange!!
lets pack them all in those rooms while they play trade. once they do fine then we can send the
little children back to schools---private...or public.

whats with wanting to use the kids as test items?...i dont get it. suffer the children, eh.
Who are these..flag-sucking halfwits fleeced fooled by stupid little rich kids, They speak
for all that is cruel stupid, They are racists hate mongers I piss down the throats of
these Nazis Im too old to worry whether they like it, Fuck them.
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rainwater wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:31 pm
seriously.

each time a major sports team gets near one another in a work setting half of them fall viral ill.
hey lets send the kids to school buildings and watch the little buggers fall like dominoes. sure!

if adults cant get together in any size group without immediately falling viral then what is
expected by shoving children inside rooms in buildings teachers dont even want to be in.

this is a pointless fight. i know..lets get all the stock traders back inside the stock exchange!!
lets pack them all in those rooms while they play trade. once they do fine then we can send the
little children back to schools---private...or public.

whats with wanting to use the kids as test items?...i dont get it. suffer the children, eh.
yea sports I can understand why people miss them and want them back cant imagine playing now would be anything but a disaster though. Your favorite beloved player could die this year or if they waited a little while longer live to a ripe old age.

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Motor City wrote:
Tue Jul 28, 2020 7:29 pm
yea sports I can understand why people miss them and want them back cant imagine playing now would be anything but a disaster though. Your favorite beloved player could die this year or if they waited a little while longer live to a ripe old age.
agree. im not saying humans dont miss things. of course they miss sports and bars and life in
general but so far it aint coming back as shown by each and every attempt to normalize which
ends in a huge rise of virus cases. from churchs to bars to locker rooms AND tests, the WH tests
CONSTANTLY and they still get cases.

the rising numbers all show the results of the latest 'openings' and now the closings, again, since
so many got sick from the "openings".
just cuz the sadist wants revenue rolling in doesnt mean its safe to resume life as it was.
the numbers Clearly show this.

some AirBNB got 700 people sick recently.
capitalism wants money flow which now shows its inherent weakness: it is totally dependent.
why, its addicted.
Who are these..flag-sucking halfwits fleeced fooled by stupid little rich kids, They speak
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This article should make people stop and think about reopening schools. A new study shows children may carry the coronavirus at higher levels than previously thought. Although the study is small it is significant enough to do similar studies to confirm this conclusion.
Infected children have at least as much of the coronavirus in their noses and throats as infected adults, according to the research. Indeed, children younger than age 5 may host up to 100 times as much of the virus in the upper respiratory tract as adults, the authors found.

That measurement does not necessarily prove children are passing the virus to others. Still, the findings should influence the debate over reopening schools, several experts said.

“But one takeaway from this is that we can’t assume that just because kids aren’t getting sick, or very sick, that they don’t have the virus.”

The study is not without caveats: It was small, and did not specify the participants’ race or sex, or whether they had underlying conditions. The tests looked for viral RNA, genetic pieces of the coronavirus, rather than the live virus itself. (Its genetic material is RNA, not DNA.)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/child ... li=BBnb7Kz
If duplicate studies confirm the findings then we're putting teachers, teacher aides, school administration, and support staff as well as the parents of the kids at an unnecessary risk by reopening schools.
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Number6 wrote:
Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:14 pm
This article should make people stop and think about reopening schools. A new study shows children may carry the coronavirus at higher levels than previously thought. Although the study is small it is significant enough to do similar studies to confirm this conclusion.


If duplicate studies confirm the findings then we're putting teachers, teacher aides, school administration, and support staff as well as the parents of the kids at an unnecessary risk by reopening schools.
thats just the kids.
then theres the sports teams...all bumping into one another in some form or another.
how does football not spread "droplets"....how about BBall??

baseball i can sorta see. these others?...yah even the players are backing away just
like teachers are retiring.

the US cant keep pretending yet we do it so well. pretense and pretending pays well.
like a sadist WH game show.
Who are these..flag-sucking halfwits fleeced fooled by stupid little rich kids, They speak
for all that is cruel stupid, They are racists hate mongers I piss down the throats of
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We have a plan.....

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/07/3 ... ed-to-know
Gov. Tim Walz has announced guidelines for how public K-12 and charter schools should reopen during the COVID-19 pandemic.

Walz said the plan is based on local needs and data. It calls for prioritizing a return to in-person classroom instruction, but leaves it up to districts to decide whether their schools will begin the year in buildings, online or in a hybrid model of the two.

It also gives parents the latitude to keep their children home from school if they aren’t comfortable returning to in-person instruction. Staff who don't want to return to in-person instruction can also work from home.

The state’s reopening plan involves two primary components: First, it asks school leaders to root their approach in the available data assessing the severity of the COVID-19 pandemic in their communities.

Second, it requires schools to configure their buildings and processes to allow for social distancing — and to provide students, teachers and staff with masks and other tools meant to prevent the spread of the disease.

Walz said the guidelines follow the latest research and are designed to keep schools safe for students and staff. He also reiterated his desire for children to get back into the classroom, saying they thrive when they’re fostering connections with others.

Here’s what you need to know about the new guidance — and what it might mean for you, your child or your community.
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State health officials have created a guide that uses county-level data to help schools decide which route to take — and when to adjust. It considers the number of cases within a county per 10,000 people over a 14-day average. If there are more than 50 cases during that timeline, all schools in the impacted district should switch to distance learning for all grades.

State officials clarified that these are only recommendations, and that in addition to the number of cases in their surrounding area, schools should consider how well equipped their facilities are to implement safety measures.

A district may also decide to implement different strategies by age group, with health officials urging them to prioritize in-person learning for younger students.

There are certain requirements schools must meet in their plans if they go the in-person or hybrid learning route.
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The state’s plan requires school districts and charter schools to give families the option to choose distance learning for their student, regardless of their district’s plans. The state said teachers will be given similar options.

For parents who don’t want their children to go back to in-person instruction but are unable to stay home, the state plans to provide child care resources.

For parents who want to continue distance learning and can’t return to work for health reasons, the state is also offering some unemployment insurance benefits, Lt. Gov. Peggy Flanagan said.

Districts implementing distance or hybrid learning plans will also need to continue providing child care to the children of Tier 1 critical workers at no cost during regular hours.
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Each district will make its own decision on which approach to take, but they will need to consult with the state Health Department along the way.

As part of the process, public schools will work with public health officials to form a plan that meets health requirements and recommended best practices. It is up to each district to communicate their plans to students and families.

In addition, the state education commissioner has the right to order schools to transition to distance learning if it’s determined their in-person model is no longer safe. The commissioner would make this decision in consultation with the Health Department, which will be monitoring the impact of COVID-19 on schools and the surrounding community.


This one has been a concern of mine for quite some time now........

What are the safety precautions for school buses?
The requirements for school transportation change according to the model each district adopts.

But: Face coverings are required on the bus, no matter what.

Limited capacity to allow for distancing between passengers is only recommended under an in-person educational model, but required under a hybrid approach.


It's difficult to imagine safe social distancing on a school bus. It does not compute.
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Thanks for the comments.

Many of them were enlightening. A few of them will be very useful. Some of them were from Libertas.

We have a back to school plan drafted and I expect some additional input at our regular board meeting to be held the second Monday in August before school starts on August 18.

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ted wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:35 pm
Thanks for the comments.

Many of them were enlightening. A few of them will be very useful. Some of them were from Libertas.

We have a back to school plan drafted and I expect some additional input at our regular board meeting to be held the second Monday in August before school starts on August 18.
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ted wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:35 pm
Thanks for the comments.

Many of them were enlightening. A few of them will be very useful. Some of them were from Libertas.

We have a back to school plan drafted and I expect some additional input at our regular board meeting to be held the second Monday in August before school starts on August 18.
This is a private school. Pre-k through 12.

We are going full open school. Temps at the door. Spaced desks. Acrylic panels around the desks. Sports.

Kids can opt to be at home online and teachers can teach from a remote location.

The school has had the technology for this for awhile.

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thinning out the herd. jared knows it.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/georgia- ... bfc8833269
260 Kids, Staffers Tested Positive For COVID-19 In Outbreak At Georgia Summer Camp---
The CDC report is not good news for school reopenings.
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28 University of Michigan student-athletes, 1 staff member test positive for COVID-19 in past month
......The figures above are the culmination of COVID-19 testing that began at the end of June and include this week's nine positive cases.....
so 9 cases this week

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rainwater wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:22 am
thinning out the herd. jared knows it.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/georgia- ... bfc8833269
260 Kids, Staffers Tested Positive For COVID-19 In Outbreak At Georgia Summer Camp---
The CDC report is not good news for school reopenings.
Jared and the White House and their defenders on message boards want us all dead.

Now that we know that what can we do about it?

I sure hope the Democratic leadership is assuming the Republican party will ignore the law and the constitution and our rights and plan accordingly.
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Doremus Jessup wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 6:01 pm
This is a private school. Pre-k through 12. -
We are going full open school. Temps at the door. Spaced desks. Acrylic panels around the desks. Sports.

Kids can opt to be at home online and teachers can teach from a remote location.

The school has had the technology for this for awhile.
Seems everything i've read so far allows private schools to do as the please. Here in Mn, i'd wonder if it's a wise move to let them self-monitor. i'd at least feel comfortable knowing private schools are being hooked into the track and trace system. (given the failure of the current track and trace, maybe we can start a new one that actually works. Ya know, for the kids sake.)

i saw some of that technology last spring. It needs work. More importantly, it needs a solid home support system to work. Here it took the parents, grandparents, and even a few aunts and uncles to make it work for the three grand kids. i can see how it'd be very difficult for those families without that support.
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I saw a meme that said something like "If we can't make adults socially distance how are we going to make kindergartners socially distance?"
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i was glad when we found out that distance learning was an option here. We took a vote and it's the one our family is going with for now. Until we know more about the long term effects on children, it'll stay that way. There's just to much science missing at this point in time. Prove it's safe. Until then, this family is set at general quarters for the upcoming school season. i get to run the shop class.
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bradman wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 1:10 pm
Seems everything i've read so far allows private schools to do as the please. Here in Mn, i'd wonder if it's a wise move to let them self-monitor. i'd at least feel comfortable knowing private schools are being hooked into the track and trace system. (given the failure of the current track and trace, maybe we can start a new one that actually works. Ya know, for the kids sake.)

i saw some of that technology last spring. It needs work. More importantly, it needs a solid home support system to work. Here it took the parents, grandparents, and even a few aunts and uncles to make it work for the three grand kids. i can see how it'd be very difficult for those families without that support.
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