Salman Rushdie Attacked

[ProfX]

Author Salman Rushdie attacked at western New York event and a suspect is in custody, police say
https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/12/us/salma ... index.html

NN)Salman Rushdie -- a celebrated author and winner of the world's top literary prizes whose writings generated death threats -- was attacked and apparently stabbed in the neck on stage Friday before giving a lecture at the Chautauqua Institution in western New York, State Police said.

The suspect was taken into custody by a state trooper at the event, police said.

Rushdie was airlifted to a local hospital, police said. His condition is unknown. An interviewer also suffered a minor head injury, police said.
New York Gov. Kathy Hochul told reporters Friday that Rushdie is "alive" and "getting the care he needs." She said a state trooper "stood up and saved his life and protected him as well as the moderator who was attacked as well.

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Iran never lifted the fatwa on his life.

[Libertas]

Iran is not looking good lately.

I hope this good man recovers.

[ProfX]

Crap. Really doesn't look good. He's likely to survive, BUT ...

Salman Rushdie is on ventilator and may lose an eye after attack, agent says – latest updates
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... st-updates

Nerves in his arm were really damaged and he was stabbed in the liver, which might have taken a lot of damage.

[Libertas]

https://apnews.com/article/salman-rushd ... f7b0fb5fea

Agent: Rushdie off ventilator and talking, day after attack


MAYVILLE, N.Y. (AP) — “The Satanic Verses” author Salman Rushdie was taken off a ventilator and able to talk Saturday, a day after he was stabbed as he prepared to give a lecture in upstate New York.

Rushdie remained hospitalized with serious injuries, but fellow author Aatish Taseer tweeted in the evening that he was “off the ventilator and talking (and joking).” Rushdie’s agent, Andrew Wylie, confirmed that information without offering further details.

What was his crime again (using that word loosely)? In 25 words or less I mean, what specifically did he say in his book that resulted in the fatwa? Is that what it is called?

[carmenjonze]

https://apnews.com/article/salman-rushd ... f7b0fb5fea



What was his crime again (using that word loosely)? In 25 words or less I mean, what specifically did he say in his book that resulted in the fatwa? Is that what it is called?

Yes a fatwa is a ruling according to Muslim law. Be advised that there are many forms of Muslim law.

In the US, because we are propagandized as hell, "fatwa" = some kind of assassination sentence, but that's not what a fatwa is.
Rushdie wrote a book that fictionalized the life of the prophet Muhammad. It was seen by Khomeni and other similar-minded people that the book is an affront to Islam. Being fundamenalist whackodoodles, they issued as part of their fatwa declaration that Rushdie was worthy of death for having wrote it.

Fatwa - Britannica

[Libertas]

Yes a fatwa is a ruling according to Muslim law. Be advised that there are many forms of Muslim law.

In the US, because we are propagandized as hell, "fatwa" = some kind of assassination sentence, but that's not what a fatwa is.
Rushdie wrote a book that fictionalized the life of the prophet Muhammad. It was seen by Khomeni and other similar-minded people that the book is an affront to Islam. Being fundamenalist whackodoodles, they issued as part of their fatwa declaration that Rushdie was worthy of death for having wrote it.

Fatwa - Britannica

So did the book disrespect "The Prophet" or was it just that you aren't supposed to fictionalize it in anyway, in their minds?

I looked up "fatwa" before I wrote that and I didnt see anything about assasination when I did, which is why I asked if I had the right word.




ps I still say an American version of

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0923293/

"Little Mosque On The Prairie" needs to be made, the way that show treats the subject is amazing. By subject I mean how propagandized westerner christians are when it comes to the religion.

[carmenjonze]

So did the book disrespect "The Prophet" or was it just that you aren't supposed to fictionalize it in anyway, in their minds?

I looked up "fatwa" before I wrote that and I didnt see anything about assasination when I did, which is why I asked if I had the right word.




ps I still say an American version of

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0923293/

"Little Mosque On The Prairie" needs to be made, the way that show treats the subject is amazing. By subject I mean how propagandized westerner christians are when it comes to the religion.

I have not read it so I don't know. I did meet him in person once, very randomly, in line at a bookstore in the city that no longer exists. I had just bought a CD of raï music (Algerian pop/hip hop) from one of the mom and pop stores in the neighborhood - their kid was selling them. i asked him if he liked raï and he said, "yes of course!" and I asked him to sign it, and he did!

Re: "Little Mosque on the Prairie," thanks for the rec - I was not familiar with the show.

There's a book out on the subject by Edward Curtis that I've been meaning to get called Muslims of the Heartland: How Syrian Immigrants Made A Home in the Midwest.



He has a lot of interesting books on related subjects. https://edward-curtis.com/my-books/

[ProfX]

So did the book disrespect "The Prophet" or was it just that you aren't supposed to fictionalize it in anyway, in their minds?

People already have been killed over it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Verses

The Satanic Verses is the fourth novel of British-Indian writer Salman Rushdie. First published in September 1988, the book was inspired by the life of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. As with his previous books, Rushdie used magical realism and relied on contemporary events and people to create his characters. The title refers to the Satanic Verses, a group of Quranic verses that refer to three pagan Meccan goddesses: Allāt, Al-Uzza, and Manāt.[1] The part of the story that deals with the "satanic verses" was based on accounts from the historians al-Waqidi and al-Tabari.[1]

In the United Kingdom, The Satanic Verses received positive reviews, was a 1988 Booker Prize finalist (losing to Peter Carey's Oscar and Lucinda) and won the 1988 Whitbread Award for novel of the year.[2] However, major controversy ensued as Muslims accused it of blasphemy and mocking their faith. The outrage among Muslims resulted in Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, then Supreme Leader of Iran, calling for Rushdie's death on 14 February 1989. The result was several failed assassination attempts on Rushdie, who was placed under police protection by the UK government, and attacks on several connected individuals, including the murder of translator Hitoshi Igarashi. Rushdie was later stabbed in August 2022 during a public talk in New York, United States.

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One of the sequences is a fictionalised narration of the life of Muhammad (called "Mahound" or "the Messenger" in the novel) in Jahilia. At its centre is the episode of the so-called satanic verses, in which the prophet first proclaims a revelation in adopting three of the old polytheistic deities, but later renounces this as an error induced by the Devil. There are also two opponents of the "Messenger": a heathen priestess, Hind, and a skeptic and satirical poet, Baal. When the prophet returns to Mecca in triumph, Baal goes into hiding in an underground brothel, where the prostitutes assume the identities of the prophet's wives. Also, one of the prophet's companions claims that he, doubting the authenticity of the "Messenger," has subtly altered portions of the Quran as they were dictated to him.

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Hitoshi Igarashi, Rushdie's Japanese translator, was found by a cleaning lady, stabbed to death on 13 July 1991 on the college campus where he taught near Tokyo. Ten days prior to Igarashi's killing, Rushdie's Italian translator Ettore Capriolo was seriously injured by an attacker at his home in Milan by being stabbed multiple times on 3 July 1991.[19] William Nygaard, the Norwegian publisher of The Satanic Verses, was critically injured by being shot three times in the back by an assailant on 11 October 1993 in Oslo. Nygaard survived, but spent months in the hospital recovering. The book's Turkish translator Aziz Nesin was the intended target of a mob of arsonists who set fire to the Madimak Hotel after Friday prayers on 2 July 1993 in Sivas, Turkey, killing 37 people, mostly Alevi scholars, poets and musicians. Nesin escaped death when the fundamentalist mob failed to recognize him early in the attack. Known as the Sivas massacre, it is remembered by Alevi Turks who gather in Sivas annually and hold silent marches, commemorations and vigils for the slain,

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So, the "satanic verses" do not appear in the Quran today, but there are several tafsir who attribute them to Muhammad nonetheless. Essentially, it's him praising the pagan goddesses of Mecca. Almost all Muslims claim they are false revelations attributable to Shaitan (they call him "Iblis" in the Quran). However, scholars consider them believable. After all, before Muhammad conquered Mecca, he might have needed to make an uneasy peace with the pagans there. Seems this might be an early phase of Muslim history they now want to cover up, to me. Also, it raises the disturbing question of the Quran being edited (which, of course, it has, just like the Bible, it's just the fundies attribute the "edits" to ... you know who.)

All in all, yeah, it doesn't seem like something you'd kill over. Rushdie's book essentially contains a dream sequence where one narrator has a vision of Muhammad writing down these verses. That's it. A fatwa is just a ruling as CJ said. Unfortunately, Khomeini's ruling was that it was the duty of all Muslims worldwide to kill Rushdie ... and others associated with the book.

What ticks me off is a few liberals have said Rushdie should "compromise" or change the book somehow so that it's less offensive to Muslims. I have some passages for them: fuck you. They have not just killed people associated with the book, they set fire to a hotel where people connected to the book were staying, killing 37 other people. Freedom of religion has never meant we should censor what people consider offensive to their faith, nor should it ever.

Religion poisons the mind of literalists, fanatics, and fundamentalists. It should NEVER be free of criticism. Nor, in the 21st century, should critics have to fear for their lives.

[Glennfs]

I have not read it so I don't know. I did meet him in person once, very randomly, in line at a bookstore in the city that no longer exists. I had just bought a CD of raï music (Algerian pop/hip hop) from one of the mom and pop stores in the neighborhood - their kid was selling them. i asked him if he liked raï and he said, "yes of course!" and I asked him to sign it, and he did!

Re: "Little Mosque on the Prairie," thanks for the rec - I was not familiar with the show.

There's a book out on the subject by Edward Curtis that I've been meaning to get called Muslims of the Heartland: How Syrian Immigrants Made A Home in the Midwest.



He has a lot of interesting books on related subjects. https://edward-curtis.com/my-books/

Imagine your response had he been attacked by a white conservative male.

[gounion]

Imagine your response had he been attacked by a white conservative male.

Do you have anything but a personal attack? No? I didn't think so.

[ProfX]

“You Are Next”: J.K.Rowling Receives Death Threat From Supporter Of Salman Rushdie’s Alleged Attacker
https://deadline.com/2022/08/rowling-de ... 235091660/

Harry Potter creator JK Rowling has received a public threat from an Iran-backing extremist, following her denunciation of yesterday’s attack on fellow British author Salman Rushdie.

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Meer Asif Aziz, described in his Twitter bio as ‘student, social activist, political activist and research activist’ responded, “Don’t worry you are next.”

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Msr. Aziz, that's not activism, that's malignancy.

And I want to make just one point - some people think the Harry Potter books promote "devil worship and occultism". Loons. I mostly ignore that stuff. But yes, they have threatened her over that.

Now look, I have some issues with her TERF-based "gender advocacy" (which I view as essentially transphobic.) I have discussed that. However, I would never call for her books to be censored (although such themes really don't make their way into them), and of course ... threats ... never.

Either freedom of expression means what it does, or it doesn't. And as has been pointed out since day one, it's not inoffensive or mild speech that needs protection. I respond to JK Rowling because her assertions should be challenged; that doesn't mean I question her right to make them.

You have to have the freedom to offend others - which is why also, BTW, I believe teachers should not be put under an omertà in the classroom over discussing things that some could find offensive. As states like Florida are increasingly doing.

If you are not interested in having your beliefs challenged - religious, political, philosophical - even in ways that might offend you - you shouldn't GO to college.

[Libertas]

Jesus profx, that is some crazy stuff for fucks sake.

[carmenjonze]

Imagine your response had he been attacked by a white conservative male.

Salman Rushdie is fighting for his life, and in your Citizens Council mind, conservative white males are the victims. Okay.

[ProfX]

It was a conservative, pro-Iranian/Shi'ite Islamist who attacked him.

But as was posted in another thread, it was a MAGA white conservative who shrugged off the attack and said, since he had criticized Trump (oh my), he was not gonna care and just go have tacos.

[Libertas]

It was a conservative, pro-Iranian/Shi'ite Islamist who attacked him.

But as was posted in another thread, it was a MAGA white conservative who shrugged off the attack and said, since he had criticized Trump (oh my), he was not gonna care and just go have tacos.

Which fuck said that?

[carmenjonze]

“You Are Next”: J.K.Rowling Receives Death Threat From Supporter Of Salman Rushdie’s Alleged Attacker
https://deadline.com/2022/08/rowling-de ... 235091660/

Harry Potter creator JK Rowling has received a public threat from an Iran-backing extremist, following her denunciation of yesterday’s attack on fellow British author Salman Rushdie.

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Meer Asif Aziz, described in his Twitter bio as ‘student, social activist, political activist and research activist’ responded, “Don’t worry you are next.”

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Msr. Aziz, that's not activism, that's malignancy.

And I want to make just one point - some people think the Harry Potter books promote "devil worship and occultism". Loons. I mostly ignore that stuff. But yes, they have threatened her over that.

Now look, I have some issues with her TERF-based "gender advocacy" (which I view as essentially transphobic.) I have discussed that.

She is openly, overtly anti-trans.

The UK has an epidemic of anti-trans laws and virulence led by so-called feminists like her, and their far-right conservative cohorts.

However, I would never call for her books to be censored (although such themes really don't make their way into them), and of course ... threats ... never.

Either freedom of expression means what it does, or it doesn't. And as has been pointed out since day one, it's not inoffensive or mild speech that needs protection. I respond to JK Rowling because her assertions should be challenged; that doesn't mean I question her right to make them.

You have to have the freedom to offend others - which is why also, BTW, I believe teachers should not be put under an omertà in the classroom over discussing things that some could find offensive. As states like Florida are increasingly doing.

If you are not interested in having your beliefs challenged - religious, political, philosophical - even in ways that might offend you - you shouldn't GO to college.

This person is an Islamist student who very likely shares Ms. Rowlings’s anti-trans sociopathy, along with his Christian rightwing counterparts.

That said, his account was suspended, as it should have been, immediately, and his ass is being investigated, as he should be.

[Libertas]

It's like an alien race has determined we cant be trusted not to fuck up the universe and they have sprinklered stupid dust over the planet and only those already stupid are affected.

[ProfX]

CJ posted this in another thread.



Schlicter appears to be a conservative columnist at Townhall. "Ho hum, gonna go have tacos."

[carmenjonze]

It was a conservative, pro-Iranian/Shi'ite Islamist who attacked him.

But as was posted in another thread, it was a MAGA white conservative who shrugged off the attack and said, since he had criticized Trump (oh my), he was not gonna care and just go have tacos.

MAGA and Glenn and these other miserable ethnonationalist-lites only hate Islam because it’s the competition. They only wish they could force their type of WN Christianity on everyone else like they do in places like Iran and Saudi Arabia.

They despise us for disallowing them to second-class us.

Sux to be them.

[carmenjonze]

CJ posted this in another thread.



Schlicter appears to be a conservative columnist at Townhall. "Ho hum, gonna go have tacos."

These people are psychos.

Glennfs thinks these perps are victims of a Black person on the internet.

[Libertas]

CJ posted this in another thread.



Schlicter appears to be a conservative columnist at Townhall. "Ho hum, gonna go have tacos."

OK, thanks...I assumed it was a board con, because it is the attitude one in particular would have almost exactly, if you know what I mean.

[Libertas]

These people are psychos.

Glennfs thinks these perps are victims of a Black person on the internet.

Like i said to profx, the flippant comment sounded like one in particular here who never knows any of the news of the day and doesnt care and also never denounces the fascism of his party that he says he isnt a member of.

[carmenjonze]

Like i said to profx, the flippant comment sounded like one in particular here who never knows any of the news of the day and doesnt care and also never denounces the fascism of his party that he says he isnt a member of.

None of them are saying anything about and are staying miles away from it because they agree with it.

It’s what they vote for, putting these dirty conservatives in office.

[carmenjonze]

Do you have anything but a personal attack? No? I didn't think so.

Yes he does.

Sighs of relief that it indeed was not another conservative white male.