Canadian Trucker Protest

[ZoWie]

^ good one

First thing they tell people who are considering civil disobedience is that they must accept the consequences. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time... or worse.

If Carlson had done this kind of rah rah for, say, Occupy Wall Street, he'd be out of a job instead of gaining rating points. Don't start me on social hypocrisy and the media.

[carmenjonze]

It's pretty much of a requirement in what I currently do to have a couple of things happening at once. It's exhausting, mentally and physically. I've noticed that most women do it better than most men, especially when they're writing releases about one client while talking on the phone trying to calm down another one. They don't seem to get headaches as fast as I do.

Each to their own in a "free" culture.

Dunno, the sectors I’ve worked in for my entire working life have been 95+% male and overwhelmingly white male at that. What’s interesting is that I’ve found that ironically, it’s exactly these guys who are pathologized for being good at the kind of multitasking I’m talking about.

The geeks the dweebs the nerds the losers…we can thank those guys for the tech that gave us bbcode and whatever else powers this messageboard and the internet it’s on.

This is purely anecdotal but I think that jobs that requires these skills actually end up being really good for people who are neuodivergent and/or good at systems thinking.

[gounion]

Dunno, the sectors I’ve worked in for my entire working life have been 95+% male and overwhelmingly white male at that. What’s interesting is that I’ve found that ironically, it’s exactly these guys who are pathologized for being good at the kind of multitasking I’m talking about.

The geeks the dweebs the nerds the losers…we can thank those guys for the tech that gave us bbcode and whatever else powers this messageboard and the internet it’s on.

This is purely anecdotal but I think that jobs that requires these skills actually end up being really good for people who are neuodivergent and/or good at systems thinking.

It IS funny to see folks who want to pretend they're real brains but can't figure out how to split quotes on the board.

I started building websites in the Macromedia HomeSite HTML editor. BBCode is a cinch.

But I do not belittle those with mechanical abilities. While I could be good at many things, I can't work on cars. Part of it was my dad, whose idea of teaching was for you to stay over in the corner out of the way, and learn by osmosis or something. That and spending two hours trying to loosen one rusty bolt just drove me nuts. So I've always had a big-time mental block on auto mechanics that would take years of therapy to fix!

Nice thing about tools in a factory. They are made to assemble and disassemble in a flash. You don't spend time on bullshit, you take care of business then you put it back together and roll.

[carmenjonze]

When I was in the shop, we weren't allowed to have cell phones. Now they have them and use them all the time. Yet they learned that productivity doesn't decrease.

And it's funny how you couldn't get a coke or talk on the phone during working hours, but you could ALWAYS stop for a cigarette (alas, I didn't smoke).

I have ADD, and I turned it into a feature, not a bug. When at conferences, I'd be at the back of the room, both taking notes, hearing every word said, and would be checking out social media and the board at the same time. I had to keep up with the news - I'd always be sending out emails when something popped up.

Yes! I was just mentioning neurodivergence!

I do get that for people in bradman’s sectors, multitasking could be a distraction. In our sectors, comms, web development, social media, IT, it’s part of the job. These guys really just don’t have a way of getting that.

One would think Sam Lefthand as a neurodivergent person would be the first to get it, but he’s just grasping at straws for anything to discredit you.

But hey, Sam is more interested in character assassination than he is the truth. He's probably running away as we speak and won't revisit the thread.

Nowadays while watching movies or sports I'll post or just surf the web or social media.

Both of these cons are proven cowards, same for Bluedogdem. Not sure why cowardice is such an integral part of being a conservative white man.

[ZoWie]

I'm inclined to agree with all this.

Before big tech was as big, computers were for hackers and nerds, mostly neurodivergent and then some, and that's who got the damn things to work and turned a DARPA experiment into centuries of social change in a few decades.

Ditto for electronic music... it was an underground nerd scene that got popularized by a guy who had to change his name from Walter to Wendy when he re-gendered. He had advanced degrees in music and physics. Before every DJ was an artist (in their own minds, at least).

Tell you one thing... that's also the kind of people who got the movie business out of the doldrums, with their new ideas and outlook from outside the polluted mainstream. I was there, I saw it, and it's why I rolled the dice in the movie casino. Then of course the corporations regained control, the way they do. Now we have Netflix.

Onward to the next revolution..... can't happen too soon. I'm over this one.

[carmenjonze]

I'm inclined to agree with all this.

Before big tech was as big, computers were for hackers and nerds, mostly neurodivergent and then some, and that's who got the damn things to work and turned a DARPA experiment into centuries of social change in a few decades.

Ditto for electronic music... it was an underground nerd scene that got popularized by a guy who had to change his name from Walter to Wendy when he re-gendered. He had advanced degrees in music and physics. Before every DJ was an artist (in their own minds, at least).

Tell you one thing... that's also the kind of people who got the movie business out of the doldrums, with their new ideas and outlook from outside the polluted mainstream. I was there, I saw it, and it's why I rolled the dice in the movie casino. Then of course the corporations regained control, the way they do. Now we have Netflix.

Onward to the next revolution..... can't happen too soon. I'm over this one.

Yes it’s a really old-school divide between the people who truly do the work (e.g. ditch diggers and truckers) and the nerds, geeks, etc., as if those people do not do any real work. I’m not talking about the bros and certainly not the incels.

Problem is, the ditch diggers and truckers have people every bit as bad as the incels and the bros.

[carmenjonze]

Multitasking has its limits. Beyond a certain point it became a safety problem in my business.

Yes, you've already said that.

But as usual, you're way out of your element Donnie and have no clue about the ideology you're talking about, promoting, or defending.

[carmenjonze]

Good time for a reminder: the only reason Sam Lefthand brought up GoU's timestamps is to discredit GoU. The only reason that person is even posting at all is to discredit GoU.

Sam Lefthand has no idea what happens in current workplaces, and bradman is clueless about it as ever, outside of his myopic, dullard focus on his industry.

But we're getting a really good glimpse at how these conservatives -- everybody's natural and moral superiors -- are so easily taken in by rightwing jobsandtheeconomy propaganda.

They really do think they're the only people who actually do any work. And that any work oustide their narrow vision from 1986, the year they apparently died, isn't REALLY work. Even though they depend on that work to sit around and pontificate on this messageboard.

Lol f these miserable conservative elitists.

Lol how come the dumbest people on this board are always conservative white males and their horseshoe karen wannabes?

[carmenjonze]

Lucas Brown Eyes
@LucasBrownEyes

People just now realizing Canada has a racism problem... clearly have never talked to an Indigenous person.

https://twitter.com/LucasBrownEyes/stat ... 2126716929

[Glennfs]

How to drive a truck.
Keep your eyes moving. Every 8 to 12 seconds you are looking forward. Scanning your right mirror. Scanning your gauges. Scanning your left mirror. Looking forward.
If you drive 600 miles in 10 hours you do that scan between 3500 and 4000 times.

Aim high in steering. You look miles down the road never concentrating on only what is in front of.

Assured clear distance ahead. At 55mph you cover 86 feet per second. You have to continually adjust your following distance.

Make sure they see you. Personally I wave at people all day long. I make eye contact with those passing me.

Leave yourself an out. What are you going to do if the unexpected happens. You always leave yourself an out by constantly knowing what is behind you, to your left, to your right as well as in front of you.

After years you do all of that without really thinking about it
I believe it is called rote. Those first few years while you are developing those habits are exhausting.

Most anyone can steer a truck. Very few can actually drive a truck. Truck driving is a skilled profession the same as plumbing, welding, electrician, carpentry etc.

Finally all the things I listed you do for on average 120 000 miles a year. Personally I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.7 million miles. With another 300 000 to 600,000 to go

[carmenjonze]

How to drive a truck.
Keep your eyes moving. Every 8 to 12 seconds you are looking forward. Scanning your right mirror. Scanning your gauges. Scanning your left mirror. Looking forward.
If you drive 600 miles in 10 hours you do that scan between 3500 and 4000 times.

Aim high in steering. You look miles down the road never concentrating on only what is in front of.

Assured clear distance ahead. At 55mph you cover 86 feet per second. You have to continually adjust your following distance.

Make sure they see you. Personally I wave at people all day long. I make eye contact with those passing me.

Leave yourself an out. What are you going to do if the unexpected happens. You always leave yourself an out by constantly knowing what is behind you, to your left, to your right as well as in front of you.

After years you do all of that without really thinking about it
I believe it is called rote. Those first few years while you are developing those habits are exhausting.

Most anyone can steer a truck. Very few can actually drive a truck. Truck driving is a skilled profession the same as plumbing, welding, electrician, carpentry etc.

Finally all the things I listed you do for on average 120 000 miles a year. Personally I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.7 million miles. With another 300 000 to 600,000 to go

You guys are exporting USian Confederate flags abroad and the whackodoodle, paranoid xenophobia that goes with it.

Proud of yourselves? Have you donated to the go fund me, yet? They're peddling it on Fox Snooze.

[carmenjonze]

Look at these duped conservative brownshirts

https://twitter.com/ConsumerSOS

I’ve been called CBC (I work at Global) claims I am on Trudeau payroll (we don’t receive government money) fake, liars—the whole shebang, just like you.

It is impossible to convince people who don’t listen to facts.
__________

My advice: It's pointless trying. Conservatives are a wasted effort.

[Libertas]

Look at these duped conservative brownshirts

https://twitter.com/ConsumerSOS

I’ve been called CBC (I work at Global) claims I am on Trudeau payroll (we don’t receive government money) fake, liars—the whole shebang, just like you.

It is impossible to convince people who don’t listen to facts.

Not ONE of them even THINKS to oppose vax or mask if not for something said by someone who I have proven is the dumbest human alive.

[bradman]

How to drive a truck.
Keep your eyes moving. Every 8 to 12 seconds you are looking forward. Scanning your right mirror. Scanning your gauges. Scanning your left mirror. Looking forward.
If you drive 600 miles in 10 hours you do that scan between 3500 and 4000 times.

Aim high in steering. You look miles down the road never concentrating on only what is in front of.

Assured clear distance ahead. At 55mph you cover 86 feet per second. You have to continually adjust your following distance.

Make sure they see you. Personally I wave at people all day long. I make eye contact with those passing me.

Leave yourself an out. What are you going to do if the unexpected happens. You always leave yourself an out by constantly knowing what is behind you, to your left, to your right as well as in front of you.

After years you do all of that without really thinking about it
I believe it is called rote. Those first few years while you are developing those habits are exhausting.

Most anyone can steer a truck. Very few can actually drive a truck. Truck driving is a skilled profession the same as plumbing, welding, electrician, carpentry etc.

Finally all the things I listed you do for on average 120 000 miles a year. Personally I have somewhere in the neighborhood of 3.7 million miles. With another 300 000 to 600,000 to go

Two things.

Very few can actually drive a truck.

One, that should be "operate" not "drive." i was once asked about digging a safe hole at a safety meeting. (Another operator had recently been nailed by OSHA for not shoring a pit. Big fine and thus the safety meeting.) He started it off by, "Brad, you've been "digging" holes for years now. Perhaps you can better explain hoe to dig a safe hole. After moment of silence i informed him that i didn't "dig" holes. i have a 4 yr. old that can "dig" holes in the sand box. i am a Operating Engineer. I don't "dig" holes. I "create" them*.
Real truck drivers don't drive trucks. They operate them. Big difference.

Two, You don't mention anything about doing paper work, using your phone or computer while operating your truck. Why is that?

* Which eventually led to the virtues of Unions and safety. It was the one year i worked non-union before i switched out of utilities to road construction. It wasn't supposed to be about unions and it looked like the big wig sitting in from corporates head was going to explode. Got called into the VP's office for that one. Closed door. Wasn't the first time.

[bradman]

When I was in the shop, we weren't allowed to have cell phones. Now they have them and use them all the time. Yet they learned that productivity doesn't decrease.

And it's funny how you couldn't get a coke or talk on the phone during working hours, but you could ALWAYS stop for a cigarette (alas, I didn't smoke).

I have ADD, and I turned it into a feature, not a bug. When at conferences, I'd be at the back of the room, both taking notes, hearing every word said, and would be checking out social media and the board at the same time. I had to keep up with the news - I'd always be sending out emails when something popped up.

But hey, Sam is more interested in character assassination than he is the truth. He's probably running away as we speak and won't revisit the thread.

Nowadays while watching movies or sports I'll post or just surf the web or social media.

[bold] Color me interested. Where i grew up, It wasn't until somewhere around junior high that things like ADD were tested for like it is now. i was never tested but sometimes wonder if i should have been. i do kinda get what you mean by turning a handicap into an asset.

[gounion]

[bold] Color me interested. Where i grew up, It wasn't until somewhere around junior high that things like ADD were tested for like it is now. i was never tested but sometimes wonder if i should have been. i do kinda get what you mean by turning a handicap into an asset.

ADD wasn't even a thing in the sixties and seventies, as far as I know. I was an adult before I think I even heard the term.

But I'm always doing several different things. You don't want to know how many windows I have open on my laptop right now. But hey, it's funny you're pretending to be nice all the sudden, as you enjoyed the hell out of Sam's attack on me, as stupid as it was.

[ZoWie]

Getting back on topic, Canada seems to have run out of patience with the civil disobedience, oops I mean protest, by the covid malcontents, oops I mean the truck drivers. The cops have cleared the route over the Windsor bridge, though right now there are so many cops and armored vehicles and all that there that it remains closed. Presumably, at some point goods will move through, under armed guard if necessary.

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Oh, yes, that operating a truck thing. Well the California driver's license used to be called a motor vehicle operator's license. It's a big enough difference in just a car or motorcycle, let alone a big rig capable of taking out a building if someone messes up.

Yes, big trucks are not driven, they are operated. Yes, there is a difference.

Student pilots learn the same fundamentals. Old pilots have practiced them, otherwise they would not become old. VFR is about the scan. Along with all the other things that one has to master to control a plane in a 3-dimensional environment, the scan is what makes pilots live longer.

It's too bad that teaching good government isn't as manageable as training personnel for dangerous tasks. No one trained drumpf. I am amazed he's even potty trained. The good burghers of the United States elected him their president. (They rejected him for the second term and he says the anarchists stole the ballots or something, but they certainly elected him the first time... with the help of Putin, and the US media who only care about selling ads or streaming subscriptions and inflating the stock price of the parent company, but that's another story.)

[bradman]

ADD wasn't even a thing in the sixties and seventies, as far as I know. I was an adult before I think I even heard the term.

But I'm always doing several different things. You don't want to know how many windows I have open on my laptop right now. But hey, it's funny you're pretending to be nice all the sudden, as you enjoyed the hell out of Sam's attack on me, as stupid as it was.

That's why i was wondering when you were diagnosed with ADD. As they supposedly diagnosed my daughter for ADD in the 3rd grade, i have somewhat of an interest. In the end, we decided not to take their advise of putting her on drugs and instead just let her be her. 30 years later, she's doing just fine.

You may not have noticed. i've been doing my best to stay out of flame wars. i like Sam and overall don't have much of a problem with him. Like what goes on between you and Joe, Bluedog, Glen and now Sam, is between you and Sam.

[ZoWie]

I never got diagnosed with anything, and it's obvious that something got miswired somewhere but not badly enough for the medical people. I just get too distracted by the little stuff.... you know, like a president who couldn't run a chamber of commerce becoming a folk hero and every unrepentant neocolonialist and white-power holdover from the 1920s coming out of the sewer to enthusiastically demonstrate in his favor. It becomes a bigger thing than it should. I know there's a clinical name for that, but I forgot what it is.

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Oh wait, I did hear "hypervigilance" bandied out once or twice.

[Glennfs]

Two things.



One, that should be "operate" not "drive." i was once asked about digging a safe hole at a safety meeting. (Another operator had recently been nailed by OSHA for not shoring a pit. Big fine and thus the safety meeting.) He started it off by, "Brad, you've been "digging" holes for years now. Perhaps you can better explain hoe to dig a safe hole. After moment of silence i informed him that i didn't "dig" holes. i have a 4 yr. old that can "dig" holes in the sand box. i am a Operating Engineer. I don't "dig" holes. I "create" them*.
Real truck drivers don't drive trucks. They operate them. Big difference.

Two, You don't mention anything about doing paper work, using your phone or computer while operating your truck. Why is that?

* Which eventually led to the virtues of Unions and safety. It was the one year i worked non-union before i switched out of utilities to road construction. It wasn't supposed to be about unions and it looked like the big wig sitting in from corporates head was going to explode. Got called into the VP's office for that one. Closed door. Wasn't the first time.

I was going to mention paperwork but left it out because just the basics were very long.
The other day I went through and cleaned up my permit book.
For 1 truck 1 trailer I carry over 50 individual permits. About 45 of them no drivers or dot cops know what they are or why we carry them.
When you get stopped or inspected they only look at your registration, insurance card, e log or paper log,your driver's license, your medical card and your IFTA.
Only 6 different types of credentials.

[gounion]

That's why i was wondering when you were diagnosed with ADD. As they supposedly diagnosed my daughter for ADD in the 3rd grade, i have somewhat of an interest. In the end, we decided not to take their advise of putting her on drugs and instead just let her be her. 30 years later, she's doing just fine.

Diagnosed as an adult in the 90's. I developed coping mechanisms to, again, make it a feature, not a bug. I find that creative people often have such issues. Whether it consumes you, or you harness it, is what's important.

You may not have noticed. i've been doing my best to stay out of flame wars. i like Sam and overall don't have much of a problem with him. Like what goes on between you and Joe, Bluedog, Glen and now Sam, is between you and Sam.

Yeah, you like to sit on the sidelines and make snarky comments, playing passive/aggressive games while pretending you aren't. You've always liked to run and get Sam and drag him in. It's easy to see.

[gounion]

I was going to mention paperwork but left it out because just the basics were very long.
The other day I went through and cleaned up my permit book.
For 1 truck 1 trailer I carry over 50 individual permits. About 45 of them no drivers or dot cops know what they are or why we carry them.
When you get stopped or inspected they only look at your registration, insurance card, e log or paper log,your driver's license, your medical card and your IFTA.
Only 6 different types of credentials.

I would like to point out to everyone that Glenn has successfully gotten through the operations on his eyes and is on the road to recovery, and will one of these days soon go back to working for a living.

[carmenjonze]

ADD wasn't even a thing in the sixties and seventies, as far as I know. I was an adult before I think I even heard the term.

But I'm always doing several different things. You don't want to know how many windows I have open on my laptop right now. But hey, it's funny you're pretending to be nice all the sudden, as you enjoyed the hell out of Sam's attack on me, as stupid as it was.

Fencesitters and so-called moderates cannot be trusted.

[ZoWie]

1. Congratulations, Glenn.

2. I will need eye surgery, but no time soon. My wife got it and it helped her vision to the point where it's the best she's ever had. I don't dread it. I use my eyes in my work too and I look forward to the improvement.

3. Paperwork is inevitable when the government gets involved in anything. You should see all the stuff you are supposed to do before turning on a ham radio. Exact map coordinates of the location (with survey accuracy), compliance with all electrical and building codes, precise distance to the nearest airport runway, spectral purity of the emission, power density in a radius the exact size of which I forget, on and on. Mostly, nobody does them until a neighbor gets upset enough to file something, then you either hire a bunch of expensive experts or go off the air. It becomes not worth doing ham radio in the city. The real hard core move to the desert.

[bradman]

Diagnosed as an adult in the 90's. I developed coping mechanisms to, again, make it a feature, not a bug. I find that creative people often have such issues. Whether it consumes you, or you harness it, is what's important.

Yeah, you like to sit on the sidelines and make snarky comments, playing passive/aggressive games while pretending you aren't. You've always liked to run and get Sam and drag him in. It's easy to see.

[bold] I harnessed it and did my best to use it to my advantage for survival sake.