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Don't think for a minute that the Supreme Court doesn't watch the polls and worry about the election. The five far-right-wing justices, who want to change the face of our nation by electoral decree, want to keep their power and make it so they won't be overturned for a generation.

Justice Thomas speaks for the majority, and he's the one pushing for change. And while he and his wife are Trumpers through and through, others of that majority aren't. I think last week Justice Thomas didn't back Trump's demand for the Court to intervene against the Department of Justice was because he knew if he did, the entire Court would have overruled him. While it's clear that the three Justices that Trump appointed had to make outlandish promises of complete fealty and defense of Trump forevermore, they didn't mean it, and will not defend Trump's indefensible actions.

Their plans for changing the face of America for decades don't include Donald Trump.

Their ultimate plan, which includes taking down all decisions based upon the reading of the Right of Privacy into our Constitution, including the right to abortion, mixed marriage, gay marriage and the right to contraception, is in their crosshairs. They're ultimate plan is to make all these things illegal in our nation by judicial decree. They also want to re-write what the Equal Protection Clause means. It's only for rich white people and corporations, not women, gays or people of color.

But I think they were freaked out by the reaction to Dobbs. When deep-red conservative Kansas voted overwhelmingly to protect the right of women to an abortion, they worried that it would carry over to giving Dems power in the Congress and Senate in November.

So, they've had the chance in a couple of cases to uphold giving zygotes rights under the Constitution at conception, thereby banning all abortion and making women baby factories with no rights whatsoever. They did not, refusing to take the cases up. Did they do that because they don't agree with the cases?

Of course not.

They did so because they knew that taking such a case would let the nation know that was their ultimate plan, and would turn this election into a rout for the Dems. I do think chances are good that turnout among pro-choice women will be far larger than the polls show, just as it was in Kansas, and could still give Dems control, but we'll have to wait and see.

But they knew this would cement the Dem's chances, and decided to wait till after the election to accept such a case, of which there are still plenty in the pipeline.

That's how I see it.
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Ultimate plan....I think their ultimate plan is to interpret the constitutionally of the the cases before them.
While yours is an interesting conspiracy theory what we are seeing is no different than what we saw back in the days of when we had a liberal court.
Which is people get cases before the court which they know our elected leaders don't have the intestinal fortitude to make laws on.
Case in point abortion. Gay marriage and so many more.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:51 am Ultimate plan....I think their ultimate plan is to interpret the constitutionally of the the cases before them.
While yours is an interesting conspiracy theory what we are seeing is no different than what we saw back in the days of when we had a liberal court.
Which is people get cases before the court which they know our elected leaders don't have the intestinal fortitude to make laws on.
Case in point abortion. Gay marriage and so many more.
They didn’t Constitutionally interpret Dobbs. They were bring up stuff from Medieval England.

And you want them to do away with abortion, gay marriage, hell, gay sexuality and contraception.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:51 am ... intestinal fortitude ...
:lol:

What would a conservative white male know about "intestinal fortitude"?

Everything you have was handed to you by government, skewed laws, and the vigilante violence of others.

Now you guys wish to re-criminalize abortion, samesex marriage, contraception, and not-white/not-conservative voters.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:51 am Ultimate plan....I think their ultimate plan is to interpret the constitutionally of the the cases before them.
While yours is an interesting conspiracy theory what we are seeing is no different than what we saw back in the days of when we had a liberal court.
Which is people get cases before the court which they know our elected leaders don't have the intestinal fortitude to make laws on.
Case in point abortion. Gay marriage and so many more.
Glenn, do you believe you have a Constitutional right to privacy? Yes or no?
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gounion wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:27 am Glenn, do you believe you have a Constitutional right to privacy? Yes or no?
Of course we have a right to privacy but all of our rights come with reasonable restrictions.
Of course as a liberal Democrat you support being able to kill an unborn child up to the moment of birth.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 1:16 pm Of course we have a right to privacy but all of our rights come with reasonable restrictions.
Of course as a liberal Democrat you support being able to kill an unborn child up to the moment of birth.
According to the judges you champion, we do NOT have a right to privacy. Nor a right to love who you want or to even to buy contraceptives.

And no one wants to kill a child at moment of birth. Of course your side doesn't give a fuck if they die the moment AFTER birth.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 1:16 pm Of course we have a right to privacy but
Authoritarian, totalitarian.
Of course as a liberal Democrat you support being able to kill an unborn child up to the moment of birth.
You seek to criminalize all abortion, all miscarriage, all missed periods with your voting choices.

You seek to overturn samesex marriage with your voting choices.

You seek to rescind bedroom privacy rights, even for heterosexual married couples and return to pre-Griswold days with your voting choices.

That's also synonymous with Jim Crow days. So that's not all you Confederate flagwavers are looking to return to.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 1:16 pm Of course we have a right to privacy but all of our rights come with reasonable restrictions.
Of course as a liberal Democrat you support being able to kill an unborn child up to the moment of birth.



Word for word redneck hillbilly MAGAT talking points! ALMOST NO HUMAN BEING BELIEVES THIS ASSHOLE!!!! And almost no medical facility will perform an abortion at the time of birth! SOOOOO take that and shove it where the sun don't shine MF'R!
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bengal59 wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:24 pm Word for word redneck hillbilly MAGAT talking points! ALMOST NO HUMAN BEING BELIEVES THIS ASSHOLE!!!! And almost no medical facility will perform an abortion at the time of birth! SOOOOO take that and shove it where the sun don't shine MF'R!
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Ask the con if taking away welfare and food stamps is Ok with him.

hypocrites, all of em.
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Libertas wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:44 pm Ask the con if taking away welfare and food stamps is Ok with him.

hypocrites, all of em.
It is.

They love anything that destroys families they don't approve of, and punishes poor and public school children. Such hateful people.

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Where is that dumbshit that thinks people are aborting babies



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Libertas wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:39 pm Where is that dumbshit that thinks people are aborting babies
He is busy voting for pro-rapist government-forced childbearing laws.
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Libertas wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 7:39 pm Where is that dumbshit that thinks people are aborting babies



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Wow, that sure hits the nail on the head.

They don't really care about life. It's all about sexual control of women.
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carmenjonze wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:08 pm He is busy voting for pro-rapist government-forced childbearing laws.
Men deciding what Women can and cannot do with their own bodies infuriates me. Makes me tremble with rage.

I hope I am not the only one.
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Glennfs wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 1:16 pm Of course we have a right to privacy but all of our rights come with reasonable restrictions.
Of course as a liberal Democrat you support being able to kill an unborn child up to the moment of birth.
S.4132 - Women’s Health Protection Act of 2022

SEC. 3. PERMITTED SERVICES.

(a) General Rule.—A health care provider has a statutory right under this Act to provide abortion services, and may provide abortion services, and that provider’s patient has a corresponding right to receive such services, without any of the following limitations or requirements:

(8) A prohibition on abortion at any point or points in time prior to fetal viability, including a prohibition or restriction on a particular abortion procedure.

(9) A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health.

So, 8 says a state can restrict after viability (24 weeks)

9 says anytime if there is a threat to life or health.

This is a Democratic drafted bill. So they don’t endorse abortion until birth

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con ... /4132/text
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Bludogdem wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:33 pm
This is a Democratic drafted bill. So they don’t endorse abortion until birth
We’ll, yer wrong because Donald Trump said democrat party is killing babies and all want abortion three or four days until due date!

And everybody knows whatever conservative white males say about topical they know nothing about, those are facts simply because they say so!
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Libertas wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:11 pm Men deciding what Women can and cannot do with their own bodies infuriates me. Makes me tremble with rage.

I hope I am not the only one.
We’re just sluts, whores, and breeders to them.

It’s why they forced childbearing during slavery, onwards. Starting with their own miserable women.

And yet, when white women once again vote majority-Republican in November, utterly no one will be surprised.

We are on our own.

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Bludogdem wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:33 pm S.4132 - Women’s Health Protection Act of 2022

SEC. 3. PERMITTED SERVICES.

(a) General Rule.—A health care provider has a statutory right under this Act to provide abortion services, and may provide abortion services, and that provider’s patient has a corresponding right to receive such services, without any of the following limitations or requirements:

(8) A prohibition on abortion at any point or points in time prior to fetal viability, including a prohibition or restriction on a particular abortion procedure.

(9) A prohibition on abortion after fetal viability when, in the good-faith medical judgment of the treating health care provider, continuation of the pregnancy would pose a risk to the pregnant patient’s life or health.

So, 8 says a state can restrict after viability (24 weeks)

9 says anytime if there is a threat to life or health.

This is a Democratic drafted bill. So they don’t endorse abortion until birth

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-con ... /4132/text



And you inbred hillbillies all say that once the babies are born they all better have jobs and if they need financial help FUCK THEM!!!
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bengal59 wrote: Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:26 pm And you inbred hillbillies all say that once the babies are born they all better have jobs and if they need financial help FUCK THEM!!!
They are so self-loathing and misanthropic, they do this to their own children.

Abort Black babies and the crime rate will go down is their motto.
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