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He’s made it harder to vote early or vote by mail. He’s redrawn districts to undermine minority voters. So what does Ron DeSantis do when he wants to suppress turnout even more? He arrests voters. Author and Fairvote senior fellow David Daley and Jasmine Burney-Clark, Orlando-based
All of you cons are truly enemies of the human race. Too bad more Americans dont realize that, yet. Just a matter of time though.


DAY after DAY after DAY after DAY we post stories here outlining the HORRORS of the right, the CRIMES of the right, and it does not bother you cons one bit, does it!
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Libertas wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:43 pm https://youtu.be/G3AU6PbrM9A





All of you cons are truly enemies of the human race. Too bad more Americans dont realize that, yet. Just a matter of time though.


DAY after DAY after DAY after DAY we post stories here outlining the HORRORS of the right, the CRIMES of the right, and it does not bother you cons one bit, does it!



I fear what will happen when one of DeSatan's Gestapo Election suppressors gets a little over-zealous and "in fear of his life" shoots and kills one or more of these voters!
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Libertas wrote: Wed Oct 19, 2022 8:43 pm https://youtu.be/G3AU6PbrM9A





All of you cons are truly enemies of the human race. Too bad more Americans dont realize that, yet. Just a matter of time though.


DAY after DAY after DAY after DAY we post stories here outlining the HORRORS of the right, the CRIMES of the right, and it does not bother you cons one bit, does it!
I know having standards is so terrible. Especially for liberals
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:37 pm I know having standards is so terrible. Especially for liberals
This is KKK vote-suppression rhetoric from the 1860s and the reason the 15th Amendment was passed.

In your state, it got worse by the turn of the century.

You vicious white supremacists have not changed your ideas about minority voting since the Reconstruction era.

When do you start up with nightriding Black voters, again?
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:37 pm I know having standards is so terrible. Especially for liberals
I can see where you as a slavery flag white-supremacist get these vile, racist ideas from.

Lol you guys did not GAS about "standards" when your states gave the world the concept of the "grandfather clause."

Grandfather clauses allowed illterate have-not whites like you to vote while barring African Americans simply on the basis of race classification, since your grandfathers had the right to vote and African Americans' did not.

Grandfather clause
Origin

Southern United States

The term originated in late nineteenth-century legislation and constitutional amendments passed by a number of Southern U.S. states, which created new requirements for literacy tests, payment of poll taxes and residency and property restrictions to register to vote. States in some cases exempted those whose ancestors (i.e., grandfathers) had the right to vote before the American Civil War or as of a particular date from such requirements. The intent and effect of such rules was to prevent former African-American enslaved persons and their descendants from voting but without denying poor and illiterate whites the right to vote.[1] Although these original grandfather clauses were eventually ruled unconstitutional, the terms grandfather clause and grandfather have been adapted to other uses.

The original grandfather clauses were contained in new state constitutions and Jim Crow laws passed between 1890 and 1908 by white-dominated state legislatures including Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, and Virginia.[2] They restricted voter registration, effectively preventing African Americans from voting.[3] Racial restrictions on voting in place before 1870 were nullified by the Fifteenth Amendment.

After Democrats took control of state legislatures again before and after the Compromise of 1877, they began to work to restrict the ability of blacks to vote. Paramilitary groups such as the White League, Red Shirts, and rifle clubs had intimidated blacks or barred them from the polls in numerous elections before what they called the Redemption (restoration of white supremacy). Nonetheless, a coalition of Populists and Republicans in fusion tickets in the 1880s and 1890s gained some seats and won some governor positions. To prevent such coalitions in the future, the Democrats wanted to exclude freedmen and other blacks from voting; in some states they also restricted poor whites to avoid biracial coalitions.

White Democrats developed statutes and passed new constitutions creating restrictive voter registration rules. Examples included imposition of poll taxes and residency and literacy tests. An exemption to such requirements was made for all persons allowed to vote before the American Civil War, and any of their descendants. The term grandfather clause arose from the fact that the laws tied the then-current generation's voting rights to those of their grandfathers. According to Black's Law Dictionary, some Southern states adopted constitutional provisions exempting from the literacy requirements descendants of those who fought in the army or navy of the United States or of the Confederate States during a time of war.

After the U.S. Supreme Court found such provisions unconstitutional in Guinn v. United States (1915), states were forced to stop using the grandfather clauses to provide exemption to literacy tests. Without the grandfather clauses, tens of thousands of poor Southern whites were disenfranchised in the early 20th century. As decades passed, Southern states tended to expand the franchise for poor whites, but most blacks could not vote until after passage of the 1965 Voting Rights Act.[4] Ratification in 1964 of the Twenty-fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibited the use of poll taxes in federal elections, but some states continued to use them in state elections.

The 1965 Voting Rights Act had provisions to protect voter registration and access to elections, with federal enforcement and supervision where necessary. In 1966, the Supreme Court ruled in Harper v. Virginia Board of Elections that poll taxes could not be used in any elections. This secured the franchise for most citizens, and voter registration and turnout climbed dramatically in Southern states.
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Glennfs wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:37 pm I know having standards is so terrible. Especially for liberals
Anti-minority vote suppression is part of your political history.

It's also quite a violent history.

But it's funny to hear conservative whites prattle on about "standards" when your only "standard" for voting eligibility has been classification as so-called white. :problem:

And preferably male.

That said, here's some conservative white male genderbaiting, gender-paranoid propaganda from the turn of last century, towards even your own miserable, f'ed up women.

Thank god I'll never have to be one. But you guys were vicious.

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Glennfs wrote: Thu Oct 20, 2022 9:37 pm I know having standards is so terrible. Especially for liberals
One of your dumb confederate governors was one of this country's most virulent anti-Black vote legislator.

He, too, stoked extremist, vigilante conservative political violence about so-called standards and why whites must disenfranchise African Americans.

Like the grandfather clauses of other southern states, yours included an "understanding" clause so illiterate white males like you were enabled to vote über Alles.

Benjamin Tillman - wiki
Disenfranchising the African American: 1895 state constitutional convention

Throughout his time as governor, Tillman had sought a convention to rewrite South Carolina's Reconstruction-era constitution. His main purpose in doing so was to disenfranchise African Americans. They opposed Tillman's proposal, as did others, who had seen previous efforts to restrict the franchise rebound against white voters. Tillman was successful in getting the legislature to place a referendum for a constitutional convention on the November 1894 general election ballot.[111] It passed by 2,000 votes statewide, the narrow margin gained, according to Kantrowitz, most likely through fraud.[112] John Gary Evans was elected Tillman's successor as governor.[113]

Opponents sued in the courts to overturn the referendum result; they were unsuccessful. During the convention, Tillman hailed it as "a fitting capstone to the triumphal arch which the common people have erected to liberty, progress, and Anglo-Saxon civilization since 1890". To assure white unity, Tillman allowed the election of Conservatives as about a third of delegates. The convention assembled in Columbia in September 1895,[114] consisting of 112 Tillmanites, 42 Conservatives, and six African Americans.[115] Tillman called black disenfranchisement "the sole cause of our being here".[3]

Tillman was the dominant figure of the convention, chairing the Committee on the Rights of Suffrage, which was to craft language to accomplish the disenfranchisement. Constrained by the requirement of the federal Fifteenth Amendment that men of all races be allowed to vote, the committee sought language that though superficially nondiscriminatory would operate or could be used to take the vote from most African Americans.[116]

Tillman spoke to the convention on October 31. In addition to supporting the provisions of the draft document, he recalled 1876:

How did we recover our liberty? By fraud and violence. We tried to overcome the thirty thousand majority by honest methods, which was a mathematical impossibility. After we had borne these indignities for eight years life became worthless under such conditions. Under the leadership and inspiration of Mart[in] Gary ... we won the fight.[117]

The adopted provisions, which came into force after the new constitution was ratified by the convention in December 1895, set a maze of obstacles before prospective voters. Voters had to be a resident of the state two years, the county one year, and the precinct for four months. Many African Americans were itinerant laborers, and this provision disproportionately affected them. A poll tax had to be paid six months in advance of the election, in May when laborers had the least cash.

Each registrant had to prove to the satisfaction of the county board of elections that he could read or write a section of the state constitution (in a literacy or comprehension test), or that he paid taxes on property valued at $300 or more. This allowed white registrars ample discretion to disenfranchise African Americans. Illiterate whites were shielded by the "understanding" clause, that allowed, until 1898, permanent registration to citizens who could "understand" the constitution when read to them. This also allowed officials great leeway to discriminate. Even if an African American maneuvered past all of these blocks, he still faced the manager of the polling place, who could demand proof he had paid all taxes owed—something difficult to show conclusively. Conviction of any of a long list of crimes that whites believed prevalent among African Americans was made the cause of permanent disenfranchisement, including bigamy, adultery, burglary, and arson. Convicted murderers not in prison had their franchise undisturbed.[118]

Tillman defended this on the floor of the Senate:

In my State there were 135,000 negro voters, or negroes of voting age, and some 90,000 or 95,000 white voters.... Now, I want to ask you, with a free vote and a fair count, how are you going to beat 135,000 by 95,000? How are you going to do it? You had set us an impossible task.

We did not disfranchise the negroes until 1895. Then we had a constitutional convention convened which took the matter up calmly, deliberately, and avowedly with the purpose of disfranchising as many of them as we could under the fourteenth and fifteenth amendments. We adopted the educational qualification as the only means left to us, and the negro is as contented and as prosperous and as well protected in South Carolina to-day as in any State of the Union south of the Potomac. He is not meddling with politics, for he found that the more he meddled with them the worse off he got. As to his "rights"—I will not discuss them now. We of the South have never recognized the right of the negro to govern white men, and we never will.... I would to God the last one of them was in Africa and that none of them had ever been brought to our shores.[119]
Nice history of "standards" you guys got.

White conservative male mentality about voting hasn't changed in 120+ years, so no wonder you personally applaud this dirty confederate in Florida grandstanding about arresting voters other than yourselves.

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"Standards".

Watch "Selma". "Oprah" (her character) goes to register to vote. The registrar says fine, if she can name every county seat and its head bureaucrat in the state. Sure. Could anybody without the list in front of them? Or they get asked to say how many jelly beans are in a jar. Grandfather clause, poll tax, "literacy tests" (often meant not just showing you could sign your name but name all the politicians in the state) .... all so-called "standards". Also, residency requirement is fine, that you live in a district, but many states also insisted you needed a deed of property ownership.

Voting Rights Act got rid of those "standards" as they are arbitrary and designed to disenfranchise.

These FL ex-felons who tried to vote had in many cases been told their rights were restored. They did not know any different. They were not told of the outstanding fines they had to pay. It wasn't voter fraud -- It was entrapment, and a stunt. Have any of the guys from the Villages who perp'd real voter fraud been arrested?

Voter ID -- I'd be more OK with it if states made it more universally provided, and didn't play silly games, like refusing to accept student ID as form of ID but letting you use your gun permit in TX. :roll:
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ProfX wrote: Fri Oct 21, 2022 5:37 am "Standards".

Watch "Selma". "Oprah" (her character) goes to register to vote. The registrar says fine, if she can name every county seat and its head bureaucrat in the state. Sure. Could anybody without the list in front of them? Or they get asked to say how many jelly beans are in a jar. Grandfather clause, poll tax, "literacy tests" (often meant not just showing you could sign your name but name all the politicians in the state) .... all so-called "standards". Also, residency requirement is fine, that you live in a district, but many states also insisted you needed a deed of property ownership.

Voting Rights Act got rid of those "standards" as they are arbitrary and designed to disenfranchise.

These FL ex-felons who tried to vote had in many cases been told their rights were restored. They did not know any different. They were not told of the outstanding fines they had to pay. It wasn't voter fraud -- It was entrapment, and a stunt. Have any of the guys from the Villages who perp'd real voter fraud been arrested?

Voter ID -- I'd be more OK with it if states made it more universally provided, and didn't play silly games, like refusing to accept student ID as form of ID but letting you use your gun permit in TX. :roll:
“ Legal experts, including at least one Republican state legislator, have said that many if not all of the 20 arrests appear unjustified because the supposed perpetrators had no idea that they were breaking the law. In Florida, a conviction of voter fraud requires proof of intent.

Some defendants have said they registered to vote only after being wrongly assured that they could cast ballots under the constitutional amendment that restored voting rights to many former felons. In fact, the amendment excluded people convicted of murder or felony sex offenses, who must apply separately to have their rights reinstated.

All of the 20 defendants had been convicted of murder or sex crimes. But each of them was issued a registration card after an application was approved by the secretary of state.

And in each case, the defendants were told they had voted illegally long after their ballots had been cast.

“The statute says they have to willfully vote knowing that they’re not eligible to vote,” said Roger L. Weeden, an Orlando lawyer who represents two of the 20 defendants. “That’s going to be very hard for them to prove.”

Mr. Weeden, who said he was helping coordinate legal help for some defendants, said he was unaware of any of the 20 cases that have been fully adjudicated.

Jonathan Olson, a supervisor in the state attorney’s office in Lake County in central Florida, has said in a letter that his office would not prosecute six people arrested on identical charges because each appears “to have been encouraged to vote by various mailings and misinformation.”

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Conservatives have done nothing beyond suppressing votes, and rabblerousing about woke library books & pronouns.

DeSantis epitomizes this.
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At last night's debate with Crist, dePutin refused to commit to saying he intended to serve his full term as governor.

The real relevance of Crist asking him that question: is dePutin going to act in the best interest of Floridians, or raising his national political profile, as those two things don't align. Floridians, admittedly yes the state is becoming a nut farm, but still, ... they don't deserve a Sarah Palin.

Once again, he wouldn't answer.

He also said he was going to continue human trafficking Venezuelan and other migrants. :evil:

And did not apologize for his voter suppression of ex felons or gerrymandering. :|

They're predicting Miami Dade might go for dePutin, first time ever in 20 years. Please, this time, pundits, be wrong. :cry:
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