Cancel culture, not real..want proof?

[Bludogdem]

Care to prove it?

https://cft-aft.org/docs/2022-2023-cert ... -schedule/

[ProfX]

I don't think there is a "Finnish system" that we can just transplant to the U.S. ... wasn't what I was trying to argue.

That doesn't mean we can't learn some things from how the Finns do education, and borrow the ones that work.

As for utopias, I don't believe in those. But I do think, as I said, problems don't go away if you just ignore them.

[Bludogdem]

I don't blame the "right" but I think right, left, up, or down, we need to recognize the problems with our failing schools.

https://www.check4lead.com/inner-city-p ... -problems/

Why Are Inner City Schools Failing?

1. Lack of Funding & Resources
2. Required Standardized Testing
3. Insufficient Number of Teachers
4. Facilities Are in Poor Condition and Lacking
...
8. Limiting Curriculum
12. Availability of Resources

And, of course, as this article notes, the socio-economic conditions and environments of the students, which affect their ability to learn.

In general, I definitely agree, problems don't get solved if they are not acknowledged. We know why failing inner-city schools are failing.

I guess the other resources that may be lacking is "political will".

Local urban school system built 25 new schools over 15 years. Modern tech and equipment. Marginal academic improvement.

[ProfX]

Anecdotes are not data.

[carmenjonze]

Local urban school system built 25 new schools over 15 years. Modern tech and equipment. Marginal academic improvement.

Source?

[carmenjonze]

Many of the posters here blame the “right”.

You guys are banning books, kicking kids off of sports teams, denying them rest rooms and locker rooms, forbidding curricula that was never even taught, and claiming that's "parents rights."

So my question is why hasn’t the Finnish model been adopted in CA?

Repeating: You sh#ts are banning books, kicking kids off of sports teams, denying them rest rooms and locker rooms, forbidding curricula that was never even taught, and claiming that's "parents rights."

That's the bottom of the barrel you guys have the entire country scraping.

[JoeMemphis]

I don't think there is a "Finnish system" that we can just transplant to the U.S. ... wasn't what I was trying to argue.

That doesn't mean we can't learn some things from how the Finns do education, and borrow the ones that work.

As for utopias, I don't believe in those. But I do think, as I said, problems don't go away if you just ignore them.

Not really an answer. I repeat, implement these ideas or whatever the progressive solution may be in CA. Dems control all the levers of power. Implement M4A. Implement a progressive education system that solves the problems of failing schools and serves as a model for the rest of the country. Prove the concept in this country. There is nothing to stop Dems from working their will in CA. I mean if you can’t pass it in one of the most liberal states where the government is controlled by Democrats, why should any independent or moderate or conservative but into a concept you can’t sell within your own party?

[carmenjonze]

https://cft-aft.org/docs/2022-2023-cert ... -schedule/

Somebody making $60K with a PhD is too much for you munnygrubbers, yet you want to bring in a model where the CEO makes 200 million a year, and get mad when that company's workers want $15/hr.

[carmenjonze]

I repeat, implement these ideas or whatever the progressive solution may be in CA.

Donald Trump loves the undereducated.

This is what is actually happening "in CA," ignoramus.

Sacramento teachers strike as Minneapolis walkout continues - AP News

Hundreds of Sonoma County teachers to go on strike demanding better living wages - ABC 7

SF teacher's union camps out in district headquarters demanding unpaid checks - ABC 7

I should stop posting these stories. They are porn for you. Go get your own porn.

why should any independent or moderate or conservative but into a concept you can’t sell within your own party?

Nobody needs your "but in." You're from a state where conservatives are trying to pass bills eliminating the age of consent for marriage.

[carmenjonze]

Local urban school system built 25 new schools over 15 years. Modern tech and equipment. Marginal academic improvement.

Urban is a euphemism for Black, Latino, and recent immigrant.

You guys have been repeating these tired old lines for the past 120 years.

[carmenjonze]

Today in Even More Undereducated than Glennfs...

So the problem is in your view, how the government manages education?

He literally just said, 'It's not a "management" problem.'

[carmenjonze]

And yet the U,S. Is a leading nation in teacher pay.

https://data.oecd.org/teachers/teachers-salaries.htm

Also, a leader in education spending.

https://data.oecd.org/eduresource/educa ... ending.htm

Your arguments were the ones used to justify segregated education, Indian boarding schools, and denial of education for girls.

[Number6]

We use private contractors funded with public money to perform all sorts of services for government and the public. But not education. No those services we insist be provided by government employees for some reason regardless of outcomes or results.

Where to start to answer the stupidity of your response?

Federal, state, county, city/town governments don't have the resources to produce all the goods and services they need so they have to contract with non-governmental businesses for them. Using Memphis, which you are more familiar with, as an example Joe, does Memphis:

1. Make the concrete pipes it uses for it's sewer system?
2. Make their own police cars?
3. Make the pipes for the city's water system?
4. Build their schools and other city buildings themselves instead of using construction companies?
5. Make their own paper, pens, computers, printers, etc. used in their administration areas?
6. Make their own desks for schools?

Even the federal government, with it's multi-trillion dollar plus budget doesn't produce much of the goods and services it needs so it's no surprise other levels of governments don't either and contact with businesses for what it needs.

American society told their elected representatives long ago public education was to be made available to everyone, hence, the "public" in public education. They paid taxes to build public schools and hired teachers and staff for the purpose of educating the children in their districts. Now, conservatives like you want to make public schools and school children as profit centers for corporations by having school districts give taxpayer dollars to a private school or private charter schools. For every dollar given to a private school or private charter school you're reducing the same amount of money for educating the students in the public schools without reducing the costs for supporting the infrastructure of the school district. The profit a private school or private charter school makes is money that could be used for the entire school districts rather that going to the CEOs and stockholders of the private schools and private charter schools.

Now conservatives talk out of both sides of their mouth when they want "local control" but are willing to give up "local control" to a nameless private schools/private charter school's corporation board. Theoretically, school boards would have "local control" over the private schools/charter schools and the residents would have "local control" over school boards but the private schools/private charter schools would be once removed from the residents. The result is the private schools/private charter schools will, IMO, exploit the the situation by playing the school board against the residents and then do as they wish.

[gounion]

So get all your Dem friends together in CA and tax the rich and use the funds to implement the Finnish education system. While you are at it implement M4A in CA. There is absolutely nothing to stop you from creating the progressive utopia in CA. Democrats control the government in CA and don’t need a single Republican to implement whatever they want.

So do it in CA and show the rest of us just how well it will work in one of our states, under our constitution and laws. I look forward to seeing the results. You can’t blame conservatives for the “left’s” failure to implement your agenda in CA. You have no excuse.

So tell us where your conservative utopia is. Where you do away with taxes and suddenly everything is perfect. Governor Sam Brownback tried to do it in Kansas, and it was an utter disaster.

[gounion]

https://cft-aft.org/docs/2022-2023-cert ... -schedule/

Ah, yes, Green Grass, Ohio IS where you're from isn't it?

Ohio. One of the scam areas for charter schools. If schools are such a failure there, I would be blaming charter schools. Reality check:

ECOT founder Bill Lager cleverly determined that under Ohio’s permissive charter school laws, he didn’t even need an actual school to bill taxpayers for that (now) $7,900 per kid. Just send an $800 PC to a student, offer a few online courses, stage the occasional graduation at a rented event center, and, hocus pocus, the state would send very big checks. To keep those checks flowing, ECOT associates and their families lubricated GOP candidates and committees with more than $2 million in campaign cash. Meanwhile, ECOT collected more than $1 billion from taxpayers since 2000.

For more than a decade, those political donations were a good investment. Cheap computers were shipped out. State dollars flowed. But it turned out that ECOT could not prove that many of its students had ever logged onto their classes. When finally goaded into auditing ECOT’s attendance records, the state discovered ECOT had overbilled about $80 million for seemingly phantom students. Rather than refund the money, ECOT shut down, leaving 12,000 students (if they ever existed) scrambling.

Ohio Democrats gleefully point to the ECOT-related cash received by GOP Lt. Gov. candidate Jon Husted ($36,860), his running mate Mike DeWine ($15,657), and recently exiled GOP House Speaker Cliff Rosenberger ($59,240). (The GOP points to $600 once donated to Democratic Governor candidate Richard Cordray.)

In fact, ECOT is just the tip of the Ohio Charter scandal. The FBI was already investigating 17 Horizon and Noble Academies operated by Concept Schools, an entity controlled by mysterious Turkish cleric Fetallah Gulen. The schools have imported more than 650 teachers from Turkey. Coincidentally, former GOP House Speaker Rosenberger enjoyed a free trip to Turkey compliments of the schools’ operators.

And Green Grass, in an expensive-to-live area like Cincinnati, do you think $90,000 is a great salary for someone with a Master's Degree and 20 years experience?

And to Joe Memphis, this is why we don't want to convert our school system into private hands.

[carmenjonze]

The goal of these cons is depletion and elimination of public schools. Antiwoke anti-CRT and crying cancel culture is the latest commie-baiting ploy to try and do so.

[carmenjonze]

And to Joe Memphis, this is why we don't want to convert our school system into private hands.

Hey wait, does that mean you don’t want a CEO to make $200 million a year and teachers to make $10/hr after selling ad space in the third grade classroom to Proctor and Gamble!?!

Why do you commies hate free enterprise!!

[Glennfs]

Hey wait, does that mean you don’t want a CEO to make $200 million a year and teachers to make $10/hr after selling ad space in the third grade classroom to Proctor and Gamble!?!

Why do you commies hate free enterprise!!

In what state do teachers only earn $10 an hour

[Glennfs]

Hey wait, does that mean you don’t want a CEO to make $200 million a year and teachers to make $10/hr after selling ad space in the third grade classroom to Proctor and Gamble!?!

Why do you commies hate free enterprise!!

https://www.niche.com/blog/teacher-sala ... 2451%2C359.

Average entry level pay 38000
They work about 40 weeks a year at 10 hours a day that works out to 2000 hours

Ir about 20 an hour for entry level with no experience

[carmenjonze]

So while we should respect the views of educators, educators should respect the views of students and parents which they serve. It’s a two way street.

It’s not a two-way street. That’s a stupid metaphor describing a false dilemma, coming from a person trapped in braindead, both-sides, binary thinking.

Teachers/educators are also often parents, sometimes with kids in the districts they work in.

Your facile viewpoint pits educators against parents/students, much like you guys’ policies that target teachers who know a kid is queer and forced them to tattle to parents, or else.

Or policies that discriminate against kids who don’t come from Ozzie and Harriet families.

Public school students are not educators’ to do with as they wish.

And yet, conservative extremists like you are imposing book and curriculum bans in district after district: as long as they’re books about LGBTQs, and Black and other nonwhite people. Banning curricula that was never taught in the first place.

Lol then you guys run around crying cancel culture while being the number one purveyors of it.

Book Banning Efforts Surged in 2021. These Titles Were the Most Targeted. - NYT

Most of the targeted books are about Black and L.G.B.T.Q. people, according to the American Library Association. The country’s polarized politics has fueled the rise.

These policies don’t “respect the views” of parents and students. But then, the goal here is turning the screws on public education by any means necessary.

[carmenjonze]

In what state do teachers only earn $10 an hour

Hey, bright eyes. Do you need the words satire and hyperbole explained to you?

[carmenjonze]

https://www.niche.com/blog/teacher-sala ... 2451%2C359.

Average entry level pay 38000
They work about 40 weeks a year at 10 hours a day that works out to 2000 hours

Ir about 20 an hour for entry level with no experience

$10/hr too much!

Sell the 5th grade to Unilever so a middleman can make a profit!

Don’t forget to ban books, and kick nonconfoming kids off the sports team and cry you’re being canceled while doing it!

[gounion]

https://www.niche.com/blog/teacher-sala ... 2451%2C359.

Average entry level pay 38000
They work about 40 weeks a year at 10 hours a day that works out to 2000 hours

Ir about 20 an hour for entry level with no experience

According to Zip Recruiter, Tennessee Charter School salary starts at $15,000 a year. https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/C ... -Tennessee

[carmenjonze]

According to Zip Recruiter, Tennessee Charter School salary starts at $15,000 a year. https://www.ziprecruiter.com/Salaries/C ... -Tennessee

$5,000/year too much!

Oh my goodness such taxpayer waste!

That munny could be going to some faceless, wife-swapping fatcat school
choice think tank CEO, instead of these woke people grooming conservative white children with nonexistent CRT and all these gay books!

[gounion]

$5,000/year too much!

Oh my goodness such taxpayer waste!

That munny could be going to some faceless, wife-swapping fatcat school
choice think tank CEO, instead of these woke people grooming conservative white children with nonexistent CRT and all these gay books!

Well, since it's Charter School salary, it IS going to a fatcat CEO!!!