Mass Shootings/Gun Control Reform Thread
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Speaking of technology, this is what really puzzles me. The Uvalde PD is claiming they thought all the students in rooms 111-112 where Ramos had locked himself in were already dead. Hence why they switched strategy from "active shooter" to "barricaded suspect".
K. But we now know there were several 911 calls from students in that room on their cell who were still alive during that time period. They hid under tables and covered themselves in blood. Sigh. I thought police had these 20th century technologies called radios? Why weren't they told?
BTW, I also read this morning that the Bortac team basically went in at 12:50 PM of their own initiative, as they were tired of waiting for the rest of the Uvalde PD to organize an entry. ... good for them. It still boggles my mind, though, that a tac team had no door breaching tools, no battering ram, they had to find the janitor with the key. Good thing he wasn't dead or fled.
K. But we now know there were several 911 calls from students in that room on their cell who were still alive during that time period. They hid under tables and covered themselves in blood. Sigh. I thought police had these 20th century technologies called radios? Why weren't they told?
BTW, I also read this morning that the Bortac team basically went in at 12:50 PM of their own initiative, as they were tired of waiting for the rest of the Uvalde PD to organize an entry. ... good for them. It still boggles my mind, though, that a tac team had no door breaching tools, no battering ram, they had to find the janitor with the key. Good thing he wasn't dead or fled.
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Wasnt there a report that the cops didnt want to go in and face the mass killing gun that only soldiers in war should have? If so, then the childish "good guy with a gun" is total bullshit if even the COPS wont risk engagement.ProfX wrote: ↑Sat May 28, 2022 6:58 am Speaking of technology, this is what really puzzles me. The Uvalde PD is claiming they thought all the students in rooms 111-112 where Ramos had locked himself in were already dead. Hence why they switched strategy from "active shooter" to "barricaded suspect".
K. But we now know there were several 911 calls from students in that room on their cell who were still alive during that time period. They hid under tables and covered themselves in blood. Sigh. I thought police had these 20th century technologies called radios? Why weren't they told?
BTW, I also read this morning that the Bortac team basically went in at 12:50 PM of their own initiative, as they were tired of waiting for the rest of the Uvalde PD to organize an entry. ... good for them. It still boggles my mind, though, that a tac team had no door breaching tools, no battering ram, they had to find the janitor with the key. Good thing he wasn't dead or fled.
And THIS video cant be shown enough
https://youtu.be/Eya_k4P-iEo
I sigh in your general direction.
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Don't tell me nothing can be done.
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I sigh in your general direction.
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This poor little guy
White conservatism is destroying their own children.
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they are teaching their babies to be killers.
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White conservatism is destroying their own children.
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they are teaching their babies to be killers.
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Letter submitted to Science magazine - a leading journal in the physical and social sciences (not just the latter), and definitely not a radical leftist publication.
We know what the problem is
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sci ... DY.twitter
America is reeling from yet another devastating spate of mass shootings. In the last 10 days, shooters have targeted a Taiwanese church in California, a grocery store in a Black neighborhood in New York, and an elementary school in Texas. Although opponents of sensible gun control—the kind that prevails throughout most of the civilized world—continue to put the spotlight on the shooters’ motivations or unstable mental states, these are cynical diversions from the one obvious truth: The common thread in all of the country’s revolting mass shootings is the absurdly easy access to guns. The science is clear: Restrictions work, and it’s likely that even more limitations would save thousands of lives. So why not take the laws much further, as other countries have done? The alternative is painfully obvious—living with more and more senseless carnage, courtesy of the National Rifle Association and their well-funded political lackeys.
One argument used to justify continued gun ownership is that mass shootings are often the result of shooters with severe mental illness. No doubt that mental health is a factor. But the rates of mental illness in the United States are similar to those in other countries where mass shootings rarely occur. It’s access to guns that is the problem. Alan Leshner, an expert in mental health research and policy (also the former chief executive officer of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the publisher of Science), wrote about the fallacy of blaming gun violence on mental illness in the wake of another mass shooting tragedy in 2019. Among Leshner’s points are the fact that less than a third of the people who commit mass shootings have a diagnosable mental disorder.
Another argument is that however strict we make gun control laws, would-be shooters would find ways to get around them. This is also misleading. As the 2017 analysis of Cook and Donohue conclusively shows, extending criminal sentences for gun use in violent crime, prohibiting gun ownership by individuals convicted of domestic violence, and restricting the concealed carry of firearms lead to demonstrable reductions in gun violence. It’s not a stretch to assume that further restrictions would save even more lives.
[snip]
Scientists should not sit on the sidelines and watch others fight this out. More research into the public health impacts of gun ownership will provide further evidence of its deadly consequences. Science can show that gun restrictions make societies safer. Science can show that mental illness is not a determinative factor in mass shootings. And science can show that racism is measurable and leads to violence.
[snip][end]
Once again, I think a scientific consensus is being stated. We know the real problem - we know the solutions that work - only thing lacking at this point is the political will (and maybe a proper understanding of the real meaning of the 2nd amendment.)
Nobody's guns need to be taken away, and nobody (well nobody notable) is calling for banning all firearms. Rational conversations on what types of weapons and ammo should be sold, who should not be allowed to have them (red flags, permits, etc.), yes, even Scalia in Heller said those were possible.
On my list of things that should be done away with yesterday, it is ridiculous that CDC, NIH, and other agencies are in many cases prohibited from funding or conducting research on gun violence - a pervasive public health problem. Those bans need to go.
We know what the problem is
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sci ... DY.twitter
America is reeling from yet another devastating spate of mass shootings. In the last 10 days, shooters have targeted a Taiwanese church in California, a grocery store in a Black neighborhood in New York, and an elementary school in Texas. Although opponents of sensible gun control—the kind that prevails throughout most of the civilized world—continue to put the spotlight on the shooters’ motivations or unstable mental states, these are cynical diversions from the one obvious truth: The common thread in all of the country’s revolting mass shootings is the absurdly easy access to guns. The science is clear: Restrictions work, and it’s likely that even more limitations would save thousands of lives. So why not take the laws much further, as other countries have done? The alternative is painfully obvious—living with more and more senseless carnage, courtesy of the National Rifle Association and their well-funded political lackeys.
One argument used to justify continued gun ownership is that mass shootings are often the result of shooters with severe mental illness. No doubt that mental health is a factor. But the rates of mental illness in the United States are similar to those in other countries where mass shootings rarely occur. It’s access to guns that is the problem. Alan Leshner, an expert in mental health research and policy (also the former chief executive officer of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the publisher of Science), wrote about the fallacy of blaming gun violence on mental illness in the wake of another mass shooting tragedy in 2019. Among Leshner’s points are the fact that less than a third of the people who commit mass shootings have a diagnosable mental disorder.
Another argument is that however strict we make gun control laws, would-be shooters would find ways to get around them. This is also misleading. As the 2017 analysis of Cook and Donohue conclusively shows, extending criminal sentences for gun use in violent crime, prohibiting gun ownership by individuals convicted of domestic violence, and restricting the concealed carry of firearms lead to demonstrable reductions in gun violence. It’s not a stretch to assume that further restrictions would save even more lives.
[snip]
Scientists should not sit on the sidelines and watch others fight this out. More research into the public health impacts of gun ownership will provide further evidence of its deadly consequences. Science can show that gun restrictions make societies safer. Science can show that mental illness is not a determinative factor in mass shootings. And science can show that racism is measurable and leads to violence.
[snip][end]
Once again, I think a scientific consensus is being stated. We know the real problem - we know the solutions that work - only thing lacking at this point is the political will (and maybe a proper understanding of the real meaning of the 2nd amendment.)
Nobody's guns need to be taken away, and nobody (well nobody notable) is calling for banning all firearms. Rational conversations on what types of weapons and ammo should be sold, who should not be allowed to have them (red flags, permits, etc.), yes, even Scalia in Heller said those were possible.
On my list of things that should be done away with yesterday, it is ridiculous that CDC, NIH, and other agencies are in many cases prohibited from funding or conducting research on gun violence - a pervasive public health problem. Those bans need to go.
"Don't believe every quote attributed to people on the Internet" -- Abraham Lincoln
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6 injured in Tennessee shooting, police say
At least six people were injured on Saturday night during an exchange of gunfire in downtown Chattanooga, Tennessee, police said.
Chattanooga Police officers were patrolling downtown at about 10:48 p.m. local time when they "observed multiple parties exchanging gunfire and numerous people fleeing the area" near 100 Cherry St.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/mu ... li=BBnb7Kz
At least six people were injured on Saturday night during an exchange of gunfire in downtown Chattanooga, Tennessee, police said.
Chattanooga Police officers were patrolling downtown at about 10:48 p.m. local time when they "observed multiple parties exchanging gunfire and numerous people fleeing the area" near 100 Cherry St.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/mu ... li=BBnb7Kz
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https://twitter.com/LifeIndiscreet/stat ... ZiLpzpHJhQ
This is good.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1530579942651600896
And my latest tweet
https://twitter.com/DidTheyLetUVote/sta ... rDcHgXVVpw
I told her she is NOT safe there, to be constantly on the watch. She said she was already thinking that.
America is broken.
This is good.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1530579942651600896
And my latest tweet
https://twitter.com/DidTheyLetUVote/sta ... rDcHgXVVpw
My relative has two of my grandsons camping with them about 3 hours from me, she says they get supplies in this small town with population 4000, there are two gun and ammo stores in this tiny town. Entering the town is a billboard TRUMP 2024.If police are afraid to go against these weapons of war, and for the moment I am making no judgement on the police, then only an INSANE society would allow people to own them.
I told her she is NOT safe there, to be constantly on the watch. She said she was already thinking that.
America is broken.
I sigh in your general direction.
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This is how the company that made the weapon used in the Texas shooting to kill children actually markets their guns. This ad is REAL.
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So at what age should a father start teaching his son about guns.
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If he wants to take a young son, say 14 or 15, hunting with a hunting rifle - no problem there.
If you let your toddler play with assault weapons like a toy, someone should call Child Protective Services.
Speaking of "age appropriate" behavior.
If you let your toddler play with assault weapons like a toy, someone should call Child Protective Services.
Speaking of "age appropriate" behavior.
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I don't have guns so.it wasn't an issue in.my home. But, one of my son in laws has hunting and hand guns.
It seems to.me if you are going to have guns you should start teaching them at a very early age.
So I would say around age 4 so they know how deadly and lethal they are. Hopefully that would lesson the chances of accidents
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So you support the advertisingGlennfs wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 7:28 pm I don't have guns so.it wasn't an issue in.my home. But, one of my son in laws has hunting and hand guns.
It seems to.me if you are going to have guns you should start teaching them at a very early age.
So I would say around age 4 so they know how deadly and lethal they are. Hopefully that would lesson the chances of accidents
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Glennfs wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 7:28 pm I don't have guns so.it wasn't an issue in.my home. But, one of my son in laws has hunting and hand guns.
It seems to.me if you are going to have guns you should start teaching them at a very early age.
So I would say around age 4 so they know how deadly and lethal they are. Hopefully that would lesson the chances of accidents
Teach them forcible coercion by murder machines as soon as possible. Yes, it’s a conservative white male.
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No the ad is stupid. The ammo clip should not be in the frame and that child is to young for a rifle that powerful.
However if it were a single shot 22 I would have no problem with it.
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This baby is being groomed by people who are supposed to be loving him and taking care of him. Yes, Glennfs is fine with it because conservatives have extremely perverse definitions of what love is, in the first place.
But oh my, some teacher might talk about his husband to 1st graders.
These cons have nothing to say about classroom after classroom after school after school being shot up by these NRA target markets.
That’s free dumb and libburddy to them.
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If you are going to have weapons in your home then it is your responsibility to teach your children about them.carmenjonze wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 7:51 pm
Teach them forcible coercion by murder machines as soon as possible. Yes, it’s a conservative white male.
As for me I had a pistol when I had a store. Got rid of the gun when I got rid of the store. So it was not an issue.
Other than that I am pro choice. While I don't approve of guns in my home. I don't believe I have the right to force my beliefs on others
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Your WS, misogynist ideology is trash on its own. But you readily vote for the dirtiest extremists in the country, since you guys are intent on the government coercing everyone with a womb into forced childbirth and forcing LGBTQs back into the closet.Glennfs wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 7:56 pm If you are going to have weapons in your home then it is your responsibility to teach your children about them.
As for me I had a pistol when I had a store. Got rid of the gun when I got rid of the store. So it was not an issue.
Other than that I am pro choice. While I don't approve of guns in my home. I don't believe I have the right to force my beliefs on others
Must be difficult for you, all that self-gaslighting and cognitive dissonance.
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Now I see nothing wrong in that belief. In fact it parallels my belief about the left.carmenjonze wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 8:02 pm Your WS, misogynist ideology is trash on its own. But you readily vote for the dirtiest extremists in the country, since you guys are intent on the government coercing everyone with a womb into forced childbirth and forcing LGBTQs back into the closet.
Must be difficult for you, all that self-gaslighting and cognitive dissonance.
While I do not believe the left intentionally wants to destroy our country. I do believe that the policies of the left would shut down the voice of any and all opposition. Which imo would end our country.
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Glennfs wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 8:12 pm Now I see nothing wrong in that belief. In fact it parallels my belief about the left.
While I do not believe the left intentionally wants to destroy our country. I do believe that the policies of the left would shut down the voice of any and all opposition. Which imo would end our country.
Go tell the people of East Buffalo about your personal f’ed up WS beliefs.
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Anytime you put a gun in the hands of a young child that child sees it as a toy and he will remember as being a toy until they grow into an adult.
No wonder firearms are the leading cause of death of people age 1 - 19.
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/22/10943649 ... n-children
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You know what really lessens the chance of accidents? Keeping them locked, out of reach of kids, and their ammo properly secured.
I think you should tell kids all guns are dangerous, at an early age. You can tell and explain without putting it in their hands.
A hunting rifle, if you are going to take the kid hunting, fine, maybe start showing him how to use it in late teens.
IMHO, an AR-15 belongs in nobody's hands, but for f's sake, there is definitely no reason to put it in the hands of your toddler. ESPECIALLY loaded.
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If just seems to me that if you are going to have them you need to educate your kids that thet aren't toys.Number6 wrote: ↑Sun May 29, 2022 9:25 pm Anytime you put a gun in the hands of a young child that child sees it as a toy and he will remember as being a toy until they grow into an adult.
No wonder firearms are the leading cause of death of people age 1 - 19.
https://www.npr.org/2022/04/22/10943649 ... n-children
I wonder how many of those deaths are because tug he children didn't know that guns are deadly
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