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Great Bill that would help with future energy costs. Which I am sure will be opposed by the liberal party.
For 2 reasons;
First it was proposed by Republicans
Second it makes sense and would probably work. Which could lead to democrats losing votes
Here is your link

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-con ... use-bill/1
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Cool. Here's mine.

Why the Republican "Lower Energy Costs Act" won't lower energy costs
https://newrepublic.com/article/171454/ ... ergy-costs
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ProfX wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:10 pm Cool. Here's mine.

Why the Republican "Lower Energy Costs Act" won't lower energy costs
https://newrepublic.com/article/171454/ ... ergy-costs
From your link......
Conservative Climate Caucus Chairs John Curtis and Mariannette Miller-Meeks co-authored a recent Washington Examiner op-ed that presented H.R. 1 as a must-have for environmentalists, casting existing regulations as a core barrier to reducing emissions. “A clean energy future,” they write, “is impossible without permitting reform,” seemingly to imply that renewable energy plans—rather than, say, pipelines and drilling projects—would be first in line to reap the rewards of a streamlined approval process. Even the argument that statutes like the National Environmental Protection Act are to blame for slow-rolling clean energy deployment, experts say, deserves a closer look. It becomes particularly hard to swallow when you consider Curtis’s and Miller-Meeks’s material interests: This cycle alone, Miller-Meeks has gotten $35,000 from oil and gas industry PACs. Curtis has raked in $97,500, and the industry is his fourth-biggest donor over the course of his congressional career.
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Well.if a far leftist environmental extremist author and staff writer for the a left wing extremist site like the New Republic says it won't work.........
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Ya cut the crap. You know better than that.
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bradman wrote: Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:41 pm Ya cut the crap. You know better than that.
That is what liberals here do, trash the source.
In all seriousness the writer of that article is a pretty far left environmentalists and would oppose anything proposed by Republicans and most of what would be passed by democrats.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:57 am That is what liberals here do, trash the source.
In all seriousness the writer of that article is a pretty far left environmentalists and would oppose anything proposed by Republicans and most of what would be passed by democrats.
Glen, here is your problem in a nutshell:

Anything put forth by Republicans no matter what it is, is automatically excellent and will do whatever they say it will.

Anything put forth by Democrats is automatically far-left, socialist and thereby bad for everyone except a few LWWJs.

Perhaps drop the snide.
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Those radical leftists at New Republic ... wow. :roll: (I remember when they were big cheerleaders for the Iraq War.)

Some more radical leftists ... National Parks Conservation Association.

5 Reasons the ‘Lower Energy Costs Act’ Is a Bad Idea
https://www.npca.org/articles/3418-5-re ... a-bad-idea

A proposed new energy bill expands mining and fossil fuel production at the expense of our public lands, hurting our national parks and some of the most irreplaceable resources they protect. Let’s not let it become law – the long-term price is too great.

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It'd be cool if it DID simply the permitting process for Green energy ... but it doesn't, which is not surprising, as it was mostly written by lobbyists from the oil industry.
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Glenn loves ANY bill that destroys our National Parks. He's for paving paradise to put in a parking lot.
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bird wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:40 am Glen, here is your problem in a nutshell:

Anything put forth by Republicans no matter what it is, is automatically excellent and will do whatever they say it will.

Anything put forth by Democrats is automatically far-left, socialist and thereby bad for everyone except a few LWWJs.

Perhaps drop the snide.
No you have confused me with you folks on the left and the democratic party.
Even when Biden made a good decision lately about oil. One which I am sure you all would have been outraged about had it come from a republican. All we had here was crickets
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gounion wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:10 pm Glenn loves ANY bill that destroys our National Parks. He's for paving paradise to put in a parking lot.


In retrospect your comments are typical of you. Instead of engaging in an actual conversation you went with your typical bullshit.
The exact thing you used to accuse others of doing. Zero substance just another attack.
You should apologize to Sam Lefthand fir becoming what you accused him of being.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:00 pm In retrospect your comments are typical of you. Instead of engaging in an actual conversation you went with your typical bullshit.
The exact thing you used to accuse others of doing. Zero substance just another attack.
You should apologize to Sam Lefthand fir becoming what you accused him of being.
I haven’t said a word to Sam. Hadn’t seen in on the board in forever. Guess you’re deflecting again.

But you are championing a bill that would open National Parks to drilling, instead of leaving them for our future generations, as President Theodore Roosevelt intended. Of course, you want to deflect.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 2:59 pm No you have confused me with you folks on the left and the democratic party.
Even when Biden made a good decision lately about oil. One which I am sure you all would have been outraged about had it come from a republican. All we had here was crickets
Sigh. Bullshit. All you can bleat is RW crap and socialism. When it comes time to take social security or Medicare, don’t.

Biden’s decision was and is shortsighted. Just like DeWhine’s stupid decision in Ohio.
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bird wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:06 pm Sigh. Bullshit. All you can bleat is RW crap and socialism. When it comes time to take social security or Medicare, don’t.

Biden’s decision was and is shortsighted. Just like DeWhine’s stupid decision in Ohio.
Social Security and Medicare are insurance programs (according to liberals) which I was forced to pay into for close to 50 years.

Now if the government were to offer me all the money I paid in plus the money my employer paid in plus compound interest based upon the DJIA every April beginning in 1973 the year I turned 15 you got a deal.
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gounion wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 3:40 pm I haven’t said a word to Sam. Hadn’t seen in on the board in forever. Guess you’re deflecting again.

But you are championing a bill that would open National Parks to drilling, instead of leaving them for our future generations, as President Theodore Roosevelt intended. Of course, you want to deflect.
OK then the democratic party if they were actually concerned about fixing a problem instead of having a campaign issue would negotiate that out of the Bill.
Instead of demagoguery and faux outrage.

However I am sure the republican party is speaking about places like the Alaskan wilderness or in stares like Utah where president Clinton declared land to be federally protected against the will of the people who live there
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:40 pm Social Security and Medicare are insurance programs (according to liberals) which I was forced to pay into for close to 50 years.

Now if the government were to offer me all the money I paid in plus the money my employer paid in plus compound interest based upon the DJIA every April beginning in 1973 the year I turned 15 you got a deal.
HAHAHAHAHA! Republicans won’t let you see a dime of that money, if they shut down Social Security and Medicare. They don’t give a fuck about you. You need to hope there are enough Dems to keep that from happening.

BTW, does the insurance company refund all your payments if you don’t use it? Are you that special kind of stupid?
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:42 pm OK then the democratic party if they were actually concerned about fixing a problem instead of having a campaign issue would negotiate that out of the Bill.
Instead of demagoguery and faux outrage.
The Demagogues are in YOUR party. Starting with the guy who owns the party, Donald J. Trump.
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gounion wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:43 pm HAHAHAHAHA! Republicans won’t let you see a dime of that money, if they shut down Social Security and Medicare. They don’t give a fuck about you. You need to hope there are enough Dems to keep that from happening.

BTW, does the insurance company refund all your payments if you don’t use it? Are you that special kind of stupid?
Again refusing to have an actual conversation as proved in this and your next response.
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gounion wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:43 pm HAHAHAHAHA! Republicans won’t let you see a dime of that money, if they shut down Social Security and Medicare. They don’t give a fuck about you. You need to hope there are enough Dems to keep that from happening.

BTW, does the insurance company refund all your payments if you don’t use it? Are you that special kind of stupid?
Here is the truth about the republican party and social security. Believing what you hear from the democratic party news media and democratic party demagogues is making you look and sound like a fool.

https://www.wral.com/fact-check-do-sena ... /20226958/
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:51 pm Again refusing to have an actual conversation as proved in this and your next response.
You’re the one pretending Trump is an innocent. BTW, your buddy Drudge disagrees with you. He’s linking to this story saying Trump would go to Riker’s Island if convicted in New York.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... gents.html
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 4:55 pm Here is the truth about the republican party and social security. Believing what you hear from the democratic party news media and democratic party demagogues is making you look and sound like a fool.

https://www.wral.com/fact-check-do-sena ... /20226958/
Gee, somehow your gal Nikki Haley is going after Social Security?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/09/politics ... index.html
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gounion wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:00 pm Gee, somehow your gal Nikki Haley is going after Social Security?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/09/politics ... index.html
More demogauging from the left. Proving the democratic party would rather see ssi go broke than to work towards fixing it.

People who are today in there 20s will live far longer and be way healthier than any of us.
Raising the retirement age 40plus years down the road makes sense.
But of course your party leaders lie to low information voters who in return repeat those lies as facts.

The low information lie in this case is the Republicans are coming after your ssi along with the other lie that low information voters believe and repeat, the republican party wants to end ssi
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:29 pm More demogauging from the left. Proving the democratic party would rather see ssi go broke than to work towards fixing it.

People who are today in there 20s will live far longer and be way healthier than any of us.
Raising the retirement age 40plus years down the road makes sense.
But of course your party leaders lie to low information voters who in return repeat those lies as facts.

The low information lie in this case is the Republicans are coming after your ssi along with the other lie that low information voters believe and repeat, the republican party wants to end ssi
So you want YOURS and fuck your grandson, right?

Sorry, but they have said they want to shut the programs down. Senator Mike Lee (video at link): https://www.newsweek.com/video-resurfac ... ty-1756796
"I'm here right now to tell you one thing you probably have never heard from a politician: It will be my objective to phase out Social Security, to pull it up from the roots and get rid of it," Lee said during a campaign stop February 23, 2010, in Cache Valley, Utah. "People who advise me politically always tell me it's dangerous and I tell them, 'In that case it's not worth my running.' That's why I'm doing this, to get rid of that. Medicare and Medicaid are of the same sort, they need to be pulled up."
But again, Glenn, it’s insurance, if you cancel or leave your plan, do they refund your premiums? Yes or no?

You’re just an idiot.
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gounion wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 5:40 pm So you want YOURS and fuck your grandson, right?

Sorry, but they have said they want to shut the programs down. Senator Mike Lee (video at link): https://www.newsweek.com/video-resurfac ... ty-1756796



But again, Glenn, it’s insurance, if you cancel or leave your plan, do they refund your premiums? Yes or no?

You’re just an idiot.
My grandkids are going to have a life expectancy of well into their 80s.
There is no reason that 3 years cannot be added to people who aren't going to collect for 40 or more years.
Of course you would rather see it go broke to help bring on your real goal, socialism.

Of course none of this has anything to do with HR1 which you know you can't honestly discuss
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:45 pm My grandkids are going to have a life expectancy of well into their 80s.
There is no reason that 3 years cannot be added to people who aren't going to collect for 40 or more years.
Of course you would rather see it go broke to help bring on your real goal, socialism.

Of course none of this has anything to do with HR1 which you know you can't honestly discuss
Thanks for proving that you also think that Social Security and Medicare are socialism.
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