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https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3916 ... of-rights/

Virtually every democrat in the House opposed this and Schumer has announced it DOA.
Odd how the democrats do not want parents to have even basic rights about their children's education.

I can see no reason for anyone to oppose this Bill.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:48 pm https://thehill.com/homenews/house/3916 ... of-rights/

Virtually every democrat in the House opposed this and Schumer has announced it DOA.
Odd how the democrats do not want parents to have even basic rights about their children's education.

I can see no reason for anyone to oppose this Bill.
Let’s be clear: In Florida a parent wanted a video about Ruby Bridges removed from school. That’s censorship, and I’m not interested in one parent deciding what children can or can’t get in school.

But that’s what you’re for.
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gounion wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:52 pm Let’s be clear: In Florida a parent wanted a video about Ruby Bridges removed from school. That’s censorship, and I’m not interested in one parent deciding what children can or can’t get in school.

But that’s what you’re for.
That has nothing to do with this bill. But of course the last thing people with your agenda can have is transparency and parents knowing what is being taught in school.
Again no reason to oppose this bill
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:55 pm That has nothing to do with this bill. But of course the last thing people with your agenda can have is transparency and parents knowing what is being taught in school.
Again no reason to oppose this bill
Yes, it does, Glenn. You wouldn’t know, you’ve admitted to NEVER reading ANY bill.

The article points out that over 1,600 books have been banned in Texas and Florida. That’s what you’re for.
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gounion wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:59 pm Yes, it does, Glenn. You wouldn’t know, you’ve admitted to NEVER reading ANY bill.

The article points out that over 1,600 books have been banned in Texas and Florida. That’s what you’re for.
Nope you know that your agenda needs to be hidden from parents and that the government knows what is best for children not their parents
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:02 pm Nope you know that your agenda needs to be hidden from parents and that the government knows what is best for children not their parents
So you don’t think kids should learn about Ruby Bridges, right?

BURN those books, right?
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gounion wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:03 pm So you don’t think kids should learn about Ruby Bridges, right?

BURN those books, right?
See you cannot have a reasonable discussion.
On Ruby Bridges there is not a binary yes or no answer.
It depends on two things.
First the age of the children

Second if the individual parents are opposed to their child being taught about Bridges then they should have the right to exclude their child from the class.

At what age do you believe that subject is acceptable. Personally I believe 5th grade.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:11 pm See you cannot have a reasonable discussion.
On Ruby Bridges there is not a binary yes or no answer.
It depends on two things.
First the age of the children

Second if the individual parents are opposed to their child being taught about Bridges then they should have the right to exclude their child from the class.

At what age do you believe that subject is acceptable. Personally I believe 5th grade.
Really? Ruby Bridges was SIX YEARS old when she was subjected to the hate of the racists. Why the fuck wouldn’t they say “we shouldn’t hate six year olds”?

I think if they wanted to direct hatred to a six-year-old, then six year olds are old enough to hear about it.

And this isn’t about keeping your child out of something, it’s about making sure NO kids get to learn about her. Censorship.

And I guess you think parents should be about to go line by line about what a teacher can and can’t teach their children? Exactly how is that going to work?
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gounion wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:21 pm Really? Ruby Bridges was SIX YEARS old when she was subjected to the hate of the racists. Why the fuck wouldn’t they say “we shouldn’t hate six year olds”?

I think if they wanted to direct hatred to a six-year-old, then six year olds are old enough to hear about it.

And this isn’t about keeping your child out of something, it’s about making sure NO kids get to learn about her. Censorship.

And I guess you think parents should be about to go line by line about what a teacher can and can’t teach their children? Exactly how is that going to work?
So you believe that children 6 years old should be taught about what happened ti Ruby Bridges.
That 6 year old children have the ability to understand and comprehend what happened
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:29 pm So you believe that children 6 years old should be taught about what happened ti Ruby Bridges.
That 6 year old children have the ability to understand and comprehend what happened
Do you think Ruby Bridges was able to understand what was happening to her? Do you think those bastards gave a fucking shit?

Don’t you think they should have said “wait a minute, we shouldn’t do that to a little girl”?

Wait a minute, they didn’t mind bombing four little girls in a church basement. I think they enjoyed it.

So, yes, little kids don’t need to be censored. The video was age-appropriate.

But you’ll defend any censorship, won’t you? Just like you defended the “don’t say gay” law, saying it was just about third grade and under (which it wasn’t) - but now DeSantis wants to have the law cover through high school.

And you’ll support that too.
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gounion wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:32 pm Do you think Ruby Bridges was able to understand what was happening to her? Do you think those bastards gave a fucking shit?

Don’t you think they should have said “wait a minute, we shouldn’t do that to a little girl”?

Wait a minute, they didn’t mind bombing four little girls in a church basement. I think they enjoyed it.

So, yes, little kids don’t need to be censored. The video was age-appropriate.

But you’ll defend any censorship, won’t you? Just like you defended the “don’t say gay” law, saying it was just about third grade and under (which it wasn’t) - but now DeSantis wants to have the law cover through high school.

And you’ll support that too.

Ruby Bridges happened in 1960. Just because her and other children were traumatized 63 years ago is no reason to traumatize 6 year olds today.
Unbelievable that you actually believe that 6 year olds should be exposed to this and I am sure other topics they are far to young to comprehend.
No offense but you really haven't been around children in a long time. 6 year olds watch Pound Patrol and definitely are not ready for such heavy topics.
Proving why the parents bill of rights is so important. To protect children from people with your mindset.
Let them be innocent children for as long as possible.
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Glennfs wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 7:42 pm Ruby Bridges happened in 1960. Just because her and other children were traumatized 63 years ago is no reason to traumatize 6 year olds today.
Unbelievable that you actually believe that 6 year olds should be exposed to this and I am sure other topics they are far to young to comprehend.
No offense but you really haven't been around children in a long time. 6 year olds watch Pound Patrol and definitely are not ready for such heavy topics.
Proving why the parents bill of rights is so important. To protect children from people with your mindset.
Let them be innocent children for as long as possible.
The truth isn’t going to traumatize them. It’s a children’s book about her. It’s age-appropriate.

Look, I learned about the Civil War and slavery in school. It never traumatized me, nor made me feel guilty. That’s just a stupid talking point.

You want to censor all learning to erase history and gay people. You say you want gay marriage, but I guess they are only supposed to be married in closets.
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Parents already have the right to ask the school library what books are there. All they have to do is ask a librarian. Nothing is being hidden. I DO oppose the idea that one parent can remove a book from the library over their objections, when most of the other parents in the district are fine with it. That isn't how this should work.

They can already withdraw their kids from lessons they do not want them to participate in.

They have every ability to go to school board meetings and meet with board members and teachers and discuss - politely - the curriculum and make constructive suggestions. Nobody is stopping them from doing it. The only time they have been removed from such meetings has been due to violence or disruption of the proceedings.

Which parents does this bill support? Many LGBTQ+ parenting organizations oppose it.

I find it ironic that some of the same people who say they want no federal role in education, are in turn supporting a federal bill which would impose these initiatives not just on some states, but parents and schools nationwide. Are parents in, say, Oregon, asking for it? Ultimately, when these decisions are being made, it should be at the local level.
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Glenn, Here is the Ruby Bridges book the right wants removed. https://www.amazon.com/This-Your-Time-R ... 275&sr=1-1

It’s recommended for fifth grade and above. Now here’s another one, that’s more simplified, for ages 6-9. Why are you in favor of censorship?
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gounion wrote: Fri Mar 31, 2023 8:48 pm Glenn, Here is the Ruby Bridges book the right wants removed. https://www.amazon.com/This-Your-Time-R ... 275&sr=1-1

It’s recommended for fifth grade and above. Now here’s another one, that’s more simplified, for ages 6-9. Why are you in favor of censorship?
Why do you want to traumatize 6 year olds with subjects they are to young to comprehend.
Oh, that's right because your are a groomer. Get them to hate our country young.
You have no clue as to the mindset of 6 year old children.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 7:50 am Why do you want to traumatize 6 year olds with subjects they are to young to comprehend.
Oh, that's right because your are a groomer. Get them to hate our country young.
You have no clue as to the mindset of 6 year old children.
It won't traumatize them. You're just making that up.

I mean, I used to watch Gunsmoke and such shows when I was very young. I saw people get MURDERED on TV all the time. Didn't traumatize me. I'm betting your grandson sees the same.

You just want to pretend those things never happened, and you don't want it taught in schools.
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gounion wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 8:16 am It won't traumatize them. You're just making that up.

I mean, I used to watch Gunsmoke and such shows when I was very young. I saw people get MURDERED on TV all the time. Didn't traumatize me. I'm betting your grandson sees the same.

You just want to pretend those things never happened, and you don't want it taught in schools.
Yep watching Gunsmoke is exactly like teaching 6 year old children about the ugliness of 60 years ago.
Parenting advice from a guy who hasn't been around children since he was a child.

It takes a special kind of ignorance to believe teaching 6 year olds about Ruby Bridges is appropriate.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 12:29 pm Yep watching Gunsmoke is exactly like teaching 6 year old children about the ugliness of 60 years ago.
Parenting advice from a guy who hasn't been around children since he was a child.

It takes a special kind of ignorance to believe teaching 6 year olds about Ruby Bridges is appropriate.
It takes a special kind of arrogant stupidity to hide history because snowflake white people and their precious kids might get their feelings hurt.

6 year olds know damn more about what goes on around them then you are even vaguely capable of understanding.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 12:29 pm Yep watching Gunsmoke is exactly like teaching 6 year old children about the ugliness of 60 years ago.
Parenting advice from a guy who hasn't been around children since he was a child.

It takes a special kind of ignorance to believe teaching 6 year olds about Ruby Bridges is appropriate.
Actually, one of my girlfriends had a 4-year-old and co-parented for five years in the nineties. So your assertion isn’t exactly true, but you don’t care, you lie about me all the time now.

I saw that and worse in TV Shows and movies from a young age. I mean, it’s not like she was beaten and killed. She was yelled at and the police had to protect her.

Again, it won’t make anyone feel guilty. And children need to understand not everyone is friendly.

Now, we KNOW you don’t shield your grandson like that. You’re just spewing the talking points that the GOP gives you without thinking anything through. But then, you’re no good at thinking anything through, are you?
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bird wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 12:59 pm It takes a special kind of arrogant stupidity to hide history because snowflake white people and their precious kids might get their feelings hurt.

6 year olds know damn more about what goes on around them then you are even vaguely capable of understanding.
So why is it more important to teach them about the bigotry in the 60s at age 6 as opposed to waiting until 5th grade when they will be in a much better position to comprehend
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gounion wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:10 pm Actually, one of my girlfriends had a 4-year-old and co-parented for five years in the nineties. So your assertion isn’t exactly true, but you don’t care, you lie about me all the time now.

I saw that and worse in TV Shows and movies from a young age. I mean, it’s not like she was beaten and killed. She was yelled at and the police had to protect her.

Again, it won’t make anyone feel guilty. And children need to understand not everyone is friendly.

Now, we KNOW you don’t shield your grandson like that. You’re just spewing the talking points that the GOP gives you without thinking anything through. But then, you’re no good at thinking anything through, are you?
6 years old is to young to be taught about the violence of the past.
Anyone who does not realize that is just plain stupid.
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:14 pm 6 years old is to young to be taught about the violence of the past.
Anyone who does not realize that is just plain stupid.
Bullshit. You’re a fucking snowflake.

You don’t raise your grandson like that and we all know it. But I’m SURE you’ll never say a word to him about slavery or Civil Rights, will you?

It’s funny how your side don’t want six year olds to learn about what your side DID to six year olds, do you? Or that they blew up little girls at church.
But that’s all okay for your side to do.
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gounion wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:20 pm Bullshit. You’re a fucking snowflake.

You don’t raise your grandson like that and we all know it. But I’m SURE you’ll never say a word to him about slavery or Civil Rights, will you?

It’s funny how your side don’t want six year olds to learn about what your side DID to six year olds, do you? Or that they blew up little girls at church.
But that’s all okay for your side to do.
6 year olds are to young for that type of information.
You are just once again wrong

But, getting back to the parents bill of rights. You along with the leftist party and your fellow liberals oppose it because you believe the government is better equipped to raise children and that parents should have no rights.
Giving parents rights interferes to much with your leftist grooming process.

But, I welcome your honesty about opposing parents having rights
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Glennfs wrote: Sun Apr 02, 2023 1:27 pm 6 year olds are to young for that type of information.
You are just once again wrong

But, getting back to the parents bill of rights. You along with the leftist party and your fellow liberals oppose it because you believe the government is better equipped to raise children and that parents should have no rights.
Giving parents rights interferes to much with your leftist grooming process.

But, I welcome your honesty about opposing parents having rights
No, TEACHERS are better equipped. Not idiots like you that wants to take any mention of black history out of the schools, and not let anyone at school mention homosexuality or trans at any time.

HItler would be proud of your book burning.
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I'm very much in favor of parental rights.

I support parents who want gender-affirming care for their trans children.
I support Black parents who want their kids being able to read about Ruby Bridges. Weird, I have never seen a black so-called "Mom for Liberty" saying that book would be inappropriate for their kids.
I support LGBTQ parents who don't want their kids to be forced to not discuss their family until .. what is it now at this point? 8th grade?
If parents want to take their kids to a drag queen story hour at the local library, Proud Boys and legislators should leave them alone.

It very much bugs me this is usually framed in a very specific way, as if "Moms for Liberty" speaks for all parents.
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