What was Chicago Thinking

[Glennfs]

They went from Mayor Lightfoot whose liberal policies were an unmitigated disaster. To electing a person who is even further to the left than she is. Doubling down on losing.

Good luck Chicago but, not to worry. I am not sure how but I am sure the disaster of Lightfoot and the disasters to come are somehow the fault of Republicans

[gounion]

They went from Mayor Lightfoot whose liberal policies were an unmitigated disaster. To electing a person who is even further to the left than she is. Doubling down on losing.

Good luck Chicago but, not to worry. I am not sure how but I am sure the disaster of Lightfoot and the disasters to come are somehow the fault of Republicans

They didn't want a Republican pretending to be a Democrat.

[bird]

They went from Mayor Lightfoot whose liberal policies were an unmitigated disaster. To electing a person who is even further to the left than she is. Doubling down on losing.

Good luck Chicago but, not to worry. I am not sure how but I am sure the disaster of Lightfoot and the disasters to come are somehow the fault of Republicans

Why are South Carolina’s crime rates higher than average?

https://247wallst.com/state/how-the-mur ... e-country/

[Drak]

Why are South Carolina’s crime rates higher than average?

https://247wallst.com/state/how-the-mur ... e-country/

One of the highest murder rates in the country.

[gounion]

Why are South Carolina’s crime rates higher than average?

https://247wallst.com/state/how-the-mur ... e-country/

When we point to the crime rates in the south, the right says it's because of all the blacks in the south. Same for poverty.

[Glennfs]

One of the highest murder rates in the country.

Proving once again that figures don't lie but liars figure.
Last year there were about 550 murders in the South Carolina. In Chicago over 700.

What you are doing is comparing a micro population with a macro population

[Glennfs]

When we point to the crime rates in the south, the right says it's because of all the blacks in the south. Same for poverty.

Link please

[gounion]

Proving once again that figures don't lie but liars figure.
Last year there were about 550 murders in the South Carolina. In Chicago over 700.

What you are doing is comparing a micro population with a macro population

No, it's because you deny the crime rate in South Carolina.

[bradman]

Bukele has more or less stated that these criminals were being sent to a place from which they will never return. Some say it's as simple as that. Problem solved.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism ... ent_Center
Terrorism Confinement Center

In March 2022, the Salvadoran government began a large-scale crackdown against criminal gangs, which the government considers to be terrorist organizations.[1][2] Due to the large number of alleged gang members being arrested by the country's security forces, the government announced in July 2022 that a new prison with a capacity of 40,000 would be built to house those who were arrested,[3] as well as relieve El Salvador's overcrowded prisons, such as the Zacatecoluca prison.[4] The contract to build the prison was awarded to two Salvadoran firms, OMNI and DISA, and the Mexican firm Contratista General de América Latina S.A. de C.V.[5] At the time of its opening, over 62,000 people had been arrested during the crackdown.[6]

Each cell contains only two toilets, two sinks, and 80 bunks with no mattresses for the more than 100 inmates assigned per cell.[9][13] According to Financial Times, on average, each prisoner is given 0.6 square meters (6.5 sq ft) of space. There are factories for the prisoners to produce fabric.[10]

The prison is secured by 1,000 guards, 600 soldiers, and 250 police officers; there are 40 inmates per guard.[14] Its nineteen guard towers—seven on the perimeter and twelve on the interior—are staffed by seven soldiers each.[10]

Reactions

Bukele has described the Terrorism Confinement Center as the "the most criticized prison in the world".[15]

The prison's construction was criticized by the Farabundo Martí National Liberation Front (FMLN) and Vamos (V) political parties, stating that constructing universities and hospitals should take priority over constructing prisons.[7] Human Rights Watch (HRW) criticized the prison for having such a high capacity, stating that the Standard Minimum Rules for the Treatment of Prisoners suggest a prison should not exceed a population higher than 500.[4] Amnesty International criticized the government, stating that the prison doesn't "address the root causes of violence" and that it only allows the government to continue its "policy of mass incarceration".[16]

After the prison accepted its first 2,000 inmates, Colombian President Gustavo Petro and some human rights experts claimed that the prison resembled a concentration camp.[17][18] According to Martin Horn, a former New York City prison administrator, "forty thousand [prisoners] is too many to manage in one place, period. Under any circumstances". According to Gustavo Fondevila, a professor at the Center for Research and Teaching in Economics (CIDE), "what we're going to have is a gigantic prison that will become a small city of crime [...] for me, it's a political campaign project, the typical campaign project of pure, hard penal populism".[10]

According to a poll conduced by CIESCA in March 2023, 96.4 percent of respondents supports the construction of CECOT, while 3.6 percent opposed it.[19]

Lock 'em up and don't let them out has also become a battle cry here. Problem is, it's only going to lead to the building of yet another prison. And then another, and another, and another.

Seems to me it's one of two choices. It's either a "policy of mass incarceration" or we "address the root causes of violence". i vote for the second choice. Thing is, to address the "root causes" of the problem we'd have to bring the socioeconomic status into the conversation. A conversation some would rather, for the sake of their children (or so they say), sweep under the rug for future generations to tackle. Ruby Bridges? Move along, move along, there's nothing to see there.......And it perpetuates.

Baldwin-Buckley race debate still resonates 55 years on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRzkHgMaPL4

[Drak]

Proving once again that figures don't lie but liars figure.
Last year there were about 550 murders in the South Carolina. In Chicago over 700.

What you are doing is comparing a micro population with a macro population

Nope. There's this thing called facts. South Carolina has one of the higher murder rates in the USA. It's not the highest, but it's been in the top 10 for years. Here are recent stats from the last few years and the current year. Too bad you can't deal with reality. Using Google isn't difficult.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... e-by-state

https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/mu ... -by-state/

https://247wallst.com/state/how-the-mur ... e-country/

https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-d ... -in-the-us

[gounion]

Nope. There's this thing called facts. South Carolina has one of the higher murder rates in the USA. It's not the highest, but it's been in the top 10 for years. Here are recent stats from the last few years and the current year. Too bad you can't deal with reality. Using Google isn't difficult.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state ... e-by-state

https://wisevoter.com/state-rankings/mu ... -by-state/

https://247wallst.com/state/how-the-mur ... e-country/

https://propertyclub.nyc/article/most-d ... -in-the-us

I just picked your second link, wisevoter, and South Carolina is number 3. Illinois is number 24.

[bird]

No, crime is not rampant.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022 ... e-data-say

[Glennfs]

No, crime is not rampant.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022 ... e-data-say

700 murders on Chicago last year

[Glennfs]

I just picked your second link, wisevoter, and South Carolina is number 3. Illinois is number 24.

You are comparing a micro population with a macro population. But, if you want to believe that Chicago is safer than South Carolina have at it.

In fact York SC probably has more murders per capita than New York City. I suppose that NY City is safer than York SC

[gounion]

You are comparing a micro population with a macro population. But, if you want to believe that Chicago is safer than South Carolina have at it.

In fact York SC probably has more murders per capita than New York City. I suppose that NY City is safer than York SC

Um, that would be a yes.

[bird]

700 murders on Chicago last year

Did you read the link or was it beyond you?

Crime is less than it was in the 1990’s.

Take your Reich Wing fascist talking points and stuff them straight up your ass.

[bird]

Proving once again that figures don't lie but liars figure.
Last year there were about 550 murders in the South Carolina. In Chicago over 700.

What you are doing is comparing a micro population with a macro population

That is why they use per 100,000.

Fercryinoutloud.

[Glennfs]

Um, that would be a yes.

Such is leftwing logic. New York City is safer than York SC

[gounion]

Such is leftwing logic. New York City is safer than York SC

I’ve been to New York, felt perfectly safe. There were many places in the south I did NOT feel safe, and was not safe.

[Glennfs]

I’ve been to New York, felt perfectly safe. There were many places in the south I did NOT feel safe, and was not safe.

York had 1 murder in 2021 but according ti you it is more dangerous than New York City and maybe Chicago

[Glennfs]

That is why they use per 100,000.

Fercryinoutloud.

8600 people 1 murder or 11.62 per 100 000.

Which is why comparing micro populations to macro populations is incorrect and illogical

[gounion]

York had 1 murder in 2021 but according ti you it is more dangerous than New York City and maybe Chicago

Look, you have your talking points, and that’s all it is.

I haven’t been to York. But again, I’ve been to LOTS of places that are VERY dangerous in the south.

[Glennfs]

Look, you have your talking points, and that’s all it is.

I haven’t been to York. But again, I’ve been to LOTS of places that are VERY dangerous in the south.

Well back to Chicago. They just suffered through one of the most leftist and terrible mayor's in the USA. Then turned around and elected a mayor that is to the left of Lightfoot.
What were they thinking. A rhetorical question they obviously weren't thinking

[gounion]

Well back to Chicago. They just suffered through one of the most leftist and terrible mayor's in the USA. Then turned around and elected a mayor that is to the left of Lightfoot.
What were they thinking. A rhetorical question they obviously weren't thinking

What is the GOP thinking when Donald Trump is the likely GOP nominee in 2024? Hell, what were they thinking in 2016? 2020?

[Glennfs]

What is the GOP thinking when Donald Trump is the likely GOP nominee in 2024? Hell, what were they thinking in 2016? 2020?

The same as Chicago voters when they elected another leftist