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......the royal family bullshit?
Even if they weren't a family of inbred trashy Germans. Other than I guess it is good for tourism I can't understand why average everyday Britons don't stand uo and say enough is enough and do away with the Monarch Bullshit.
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Same reason that the inbred, trashy Trumps are still around?
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"74 year old man finally finds real job after sponging off his mother for all this time" ...

Yeah, this monarchy stuff. Coronationpalooza. FLOTUS Jill Biden is there; our President is not. (Good for him, no POTUS has ever attended a coronation.) The Constitution even forbids politicians from receiving titles of nobility. We had enough of that.

Unfortunately, seems like we developed our own system of aristocracy to replace it. Complete with its own royal pretensions and drama.
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Toonces wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 8:25 am Same reason that the inbred, trashy Trumps are still around?
Trump wants to crown himself the king of America and republicans have no problem with it.
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Drak wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 9:00 am Trump wants to crown himself the king of America and republicans have no problem with it.
Yea right
I read that the coronation is costing 125 million
Let me clarify I wouldn't be surprised if Trump doesn't make some assine statement about he (Trump) making a great king.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 8:10 am ......the royal family bullshit?
Even if they weren't a family of inbred trashy Germans. Other than I guess it is good for tourism I can't understand why average everyday Britons don't stand uo and say enough is enough and do away with the Monarch Bullshit.
The origins of the British monarchy goes back over a thousand years and while the monarchy is mainly for public show in British life it's part of their tradition and traditions die hard. Queen Elizabeth and now King Charles were/are figureheads without much authority but they do have influence on British policies. Doing away with the monarchy in Britain would be like doing away with Halloween or Christmas in the U.S., it would very hard because our culture has included them into our traditions.
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We used to sing God Save the Queen when I was a kid in elementary school. They stopped at some point but I can't remember when.
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Number6 wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 2:04 pm The origins of the British monarchy goes back over a thousand years and while the monarchy is mainly for public show in British life it's part of their tradition and traditions die hard. Queen Elizabeth and now King Charles were/are figureheads without much authority but they do have influence on British policies. Doing away with the monarchy in Britain would be like doing away with Halloween or Christmas in the U.S., it would very hard because our culture has included them into our traditions.
I deal with a number of folks in Britain on a regular basis. I haven’t talked to any of them that didn’t like the Queen and now King Charles. As you say, traditions die hard and they are surely proud of that tradition. They do know how to throw a coronation. Can of makes our inauguration look like little league. Of course they don’t replace the monarch quite as often as we do Presidents.
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I watched all the interesting parts of the coronation, having recorded them in the dead of night off the BBC. Two takeaways:

1) They sure know how to throw a party over there.

2) The smartest thing our founders did was to separate church and state. The actual investiture was an Anglican mass in front of a consecrated high altar, including drinking the wine and eating the wafer. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. Could you imagine having to sit through drumpf being anointed with holy oil, handed a ceremonial crown, orb, and scepters with jewels worth hundreds of millions of dollars, while the crowd chanted "God save the crook?"
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Separation of Church and State, while mandated in the Constitution, no longer exists here.
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Libertas wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 5:35 pm Separation of Church and State, while mandated in the Constitution, no longer exists here.
Actually you couldn't be more wrong. Uo until the late 60s the separation between church and state barely existed
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ZoWie wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 4:48 pm I watched all the interesting parts of the coronation, having recorded them in the dead of night off the BBC. Two takeaways:

1) They sure know how to throw a party over there.

2) The smartest thing our founders did was to separate church and state. The actual investiture was an Anglican mass in front of a consecrated high altar, including drinking the wine and eating the wafer. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. Could you imagine having to sit through drumpf being anointed with holy oil, handed a ceremonial crown, orb, and scepters with jewels worth hundreds of millions of dollars, while the crowd chanted "God save the crook?"

I never understood why the queen didn't step down so she could see her son crowned.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 7:16 pm Actually you couldn't be more wrong. Uo until the late 60s the separation between church and state barely existed
And the people you vote for want a theocracy. Hence their attacks on gays, trans people and abortions.

Making whatever they say the Bible says into law.

And that's the truth - you couldn't prove that abortion is wrong by what the Bible says - it doesn't mention abortion, even though people did get abortions when the Bible was written.
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Glennfs wrote: Sat May 06, 2023 7:16 pm Actually you couldn't be more wrong. Uo until the late 60s the separation between church and state barely existed
It did and it didn’t. Depended on where you lived. It took the SCOTUS decision on school prayer to start to move things to where they should have been in the first place.
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As regards the monarchy in the UK, I would say a couple of things.

It is the people of the UK’s business.

People here complain long and loud about abolishing the monarchy due to colonization atrocities. Should we abolish the government here?

The other issue is mythology. Mythology is strong in humans. It will take a huge lift to deprogram people regarding mythology.

The same thing applies to our mythology.
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Until there is an Establishment church (Episcopalian, most likely), and the inauguration is in its archdiocese right next to the Capitol, and the incoming president is anointed with holy oil from some sacred mountain halfway around the world, and the assembled congregation is required to answer certain lines from the priests with "God save the President," and the president is introduced with, "By the grace of God, President of the United States, Commander-in-Chief, Lord of Puerto Rico and the US Virgin Islands, defender of the Faith," we have separation of church and state.

It may not be complete, but in the UK the state exists with the consent of the church. This means essentially nothing, but with an unwritten constitution, anything's possible. Not likely, but possible.

I've spent plenty of time in the UK. The biggest difference from the US is that you can go shopping without a real concern about what to do if some other shopper opens up with a military rifle and heads start blowing off people around you. It relaxes things no end.
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The better question is why do people in the USA put up with the Trumps.
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That's a very easy question to answer. They are beaten down economically, lacking a supportive cosmology, and propagandized by foreign intelligence services who have exploited the best communication system ever invented. They are told nightly that their lives suck, and that people not like them are to blame, and now a word from our sponsor who will use your existential angst to sell you some useless product.

Their brains have been fouled by ideological pollution and too many doom prophecies, they have lost faith in the future, and some of them have gone over to The Dark Side.
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bird wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 11:45 am It did and it didn’t. Depended on where you lived. It took the SCOTUS decision on school prayer to start to move things to where they should have been in the first place.
I grew up and went to school in the 50s and 60s and there was a difference in the region of the country we were in. I remember being in grade school in Millington, TN. where a student was selected to read a daily passage from the Bible. In Rhode Island and Connecticut, that didn't take place. If I had kids in school, I wouldn't want them to be subjected to mandatory religious indoctrination of any religion. If someone wants to teach their children their religion they can do so in their home, church, temple, etc..
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I was thinking, last night, about the coronation and its purpose and came to this conclusion. The coronation was a means to let the people of a kingdom know about the transfer power for a previous sovereign to a new sovereign. The traditions, the military parade, and the rest of the spectacle is introduce the new sovereign the people of Britain than it is for the new king or queen.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/20 ... at-anfield

Watching a soccer match in the UK has always been on my bucket list.
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Number6 wrote: Sun May 07, 2023 2:19 pm I was thinking, last night, about the coronation and its purpose and came to this conclusion. The coronation was a means to let the people of a kingdom know about the transfer power for a previous sovereign to a new sovereign. The traditions, the military parade, and the rest of the spectacle is introduce the new sovereign the people of Britain than it is for the new king or queen.
Besides the monetary system, a smooth transition of power is a faith that's needed to carry on.

On a side note.........Charles still has a problem with his second kid. Odd that given Camilla.
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They have their expensive politically correct spectacles, and we have ours. Not much difference, really, except their spectacles come from an earlier paradigm of government evolved from feudalism, where the lucky sperm wins. Ours, on the other hand, come from a tendency to equate athletic or acting success with character, where the person with the most successful performance is considered to be a superior human being.

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