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[gounion]

Conservatives just can't walk their own walk. Last year Marjorie Taylor Greene got divorced, now Lauren Boebert is filing for divorce.

So much for their Christian families. These people want to make it harder for normal people to get divorced, but they don't live by their own rules.

[Drak]

Both, especially Boebert, constantly preach their faux Christian family values on everyone else. They are both frauds.

[ap215]

All this talk the GOP keeps on saying "Love is between a man & a woman" crap for so long means jack shit to them.

[gounion]

So now, Lauren Boebert is getting divorced, while the GOP wants to ban no-fault divorces.

They only worry about what YOU are doing.

[Glennfs]

So now, Lauren Boebert is getting divorced, while the GOP wants to ban no-fault divorces.

They only worry about what YOU are doing.

Had she only stood by her man like Tammy Wynette taught Hillary to do.

[gounion]

Had she only stood by her man like Tammy Wynette taught Hillary to do.

So who’s better the Clintons with one marriage and raised a great daughter, Or Trump with his 3 marriages with kids by all three?

You sure hate the Clintons.

Why is it that you guys are made that Hillary decided to stay with her marriage but Boebert and Greene go to DC and then divorce their husbands?

[Glennfs]

So who’s better the Clintons with one marriage and raised a great daughter, Or Trump with his 3 marriages with kids by all three?

You sure hate the Clintons.

Why is it that you guys are made that Hillary decided to stay with her marriage but Boebert and Greene go to DC and then divorce their husbands?

I have always said that Bill Clinton is a great father and did a much better job than Reagan when it came to raising kids.

[gounion]

I have always said that Bill Clinton is a great father and did a much better job than Reagan when it came to raising kids.

So why the attack?

[Glennfs]

So why the attack?

Pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.
Clinton's personal life is nobody's business. But those two people's personal life is.
That and who celebrates another person's marriage going south. Pretty low class

[gounion]

Pointing out the hypocrisy of the left.
Clinton's personal life is nobody's business. But those two people's personal life is.
That and who celebrates another person's marriage going south. Pretty low class

No, pointing out the hypocrisy of the right, wanting to ban no-fault divorce.

Please explain why divorce should be harder.

[Glennfs]

No, pointing out the hypocrisy of the right, wanting to ban no-fault divorce.

Please explain why divorce should be harder.

No fault divorce is a states rights issue.

[gounion]

No fault divorce is a states rights issue.

Why? So you’re in favor of banning no-fault divorce?

[Glennfs]

Why? So you’re in favor of banning no-fault divorce?

No I am in favor of states rights and not rejoicing at a person's sorrows.

[gounion]

No I am in favor of states rights and not rejoicing at a person's sorrows.

So you’re for the right of states to keep a woman from getting a divorce?

[Glennfs]

So you’re for the right of states to keep a woman from getting a divorce?

So the proposed laws only prevent women from getting a divorce. I did not know that.

[gounion]

So the proposed laws only prevent women from getting a divorce. I did not know that.

Women are overwhelmingly the people that file for divorce.

So explain why a state needs to make it harder to get divorced?

[gounion]

Opinion piece with interesting info: https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/18/opinions ... index.html

Prominent right-wing commentator Steven Crowder made waves recently when he announced his divorce from his wife, filed in 2021. Emphasizing the fact that his ex-wife initiated the process, Crowder emphasized, “This was not my choice…that is completely permitted.”

As reported by Rolling Stone and others, this news comes on the back of recent proposals by conservative-dominated state legislatures to overturn no-fault divorce in Texas, Nebraska and Louisiana. No-fault divorce – meaning that the filing spouse is not required to show wrongdoing by the other spouse as the reason for dissolution – first began in 1969, when then-Gov. Ronald Reagan of California signed the first law of its kind in the US. Today, every state and the District of Columbia offers no-fault divorce.

As these bills seeking to roll back a spouse’s ability to file for divorce have surfaced, so too has rhetoric about the alleged evils divorce presents to the stability of the American family and women’s agency.

This is hardly surprising. Panic over the “rising” divorce rate – real or imagined – has long been an unjust scapegoat for societal decay. Echoed in the courtrooms, newspapers and other sources of commentary in the 19th century, this conflation of divorce and the doom it spells for families is as American as apple pie.

Women of the 19th century had limited rights, so divorce was one avenue they could assert their independence. Women of the 21st century are currently living through direct, concerted attacks to their rights including reproductive choice. This renewed assault on divorce shows how quickly purported concerns about marriage can become a proxy for a conservative agenda that wants to reinforce women’s subordination to men.

This panic is certainly misplaced if not outright malicious, and it’s worth understanding its parallels with the past. Throughout history, the way people talk about divorce reveals a great deal about the values of the groups who oppose it.

The history of divorce in the US is quite unique because divorce was all but inaccessible in England prior to the Revolutionary War; only an act of Parliament could grant divorces. Beginning with the Puritan settlement in 17th-century Massachusetts, colonies and eventually states individually developed their own grounds. Long before no-fault divorce as we know it today, divorce was fault-based, meaning aggrieved couples had to levy accusations of wrongdoing against one another.

This adversarial system, pitting couples against one another, made 19th-century courtrooms sites of immense drama and media attention. Their scandal is exactly what allured onlookers from across the country. In her book on the history of marriage in the US, historian Nancy F. Cott has observed how “transcripts of juicy divorce trials, especially those involving elite parties, were rushed into publication.”

While states permitted divorces, it did not mean they were encouraged. In 1847, the Missouri Supreme Court noted that “too great a facility in obtaining divorces is exceedingly injurious to the good morals and happiness of domestic life.” Another conservative pundit, Ben Shapiro, likewise condemned divorce as the root cause of “family breakdown” earlier this year.

As states expanded grounds for divorce, so did the fear of widespread divorce. On this very sentiment, a journalist for the San Francisco Chronicle in 1854 remarked that “marriage among us seems to be regarded as a pleasant farce.” Commentator Matt Walsh made similar comments in February 2023, claiming that divorce has “downgraded the marital contract to something less binding than the agreement you have with your cell phone carrier.” To these critics, divorce desensitized the importance of marriage rather than providing an outlet for those hoping to escape distress.

This sentiment echoes one that was shared by many in the latter half of the 19th century as divorce rates did increase. Judges, legislators and lawyers were also confronted with the problem of migratory divorce, the phenomenon of couples traveling to states with less restrictive divorce grounds. In fact, my home state of Indiana became known in the 1850s as a “divorce mill” because its lax divorce laws attracted disgruntled couples from all over.

This steady rise in divorce rates that naturally arose out of states making their own rules was most troubling to contemporaries in the mid-19th century. But worst of all to those concerned over the integrity of the family unit was the sheer fact that the majority of divorce seekers and petitioners were women. And this is a fact that rings true from the early days of the 1800s to modern day.

Unlike anything else in the 19th century, divorce allowed women to disrupt their otherwise secondary status in society. And it is precisely this discomfort over women’s autonomy that continues to fuel conservative outrage over the matter. In present day, divorce can be a remedy to anyone. But it’s because of its potential to benefit women that it arouses controversy.

Before his role in writing the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson counseled a divorce case in colonial Virginia. His rationale exhibited the liberty divorce could afford to women. In fact, he supported it as a remedy specific to women because unlike men who had other pathways for economic and social security, women were “confined and subject” to the household.

Elizabeth Cady Stanton, feminist and eventual leader of the suffrage movement, was a fierce advocate for divorce. While other early feminists in the 1870s disagreed with Stanton’s embrace of divorce in all circumstances, she maintained that “it is a sin against the…family…to live together in the marriage relation in continued antagonism, indifference, disgust.” Some historians contend it was easier for women’s rights crusaders to embrace suffrage because voting rights could be pitched as compatible with traditional family dynamics while divorce could not.

While, for example, the Nebraska GOP’s current platform opposes any measure that would “intrude unnecessarily on the rights of the family” or “contribute to the dissolution of the family,” 19th-century pro-divorce reformists and actors countered these sorts of arguments in a way that demonstrated the dangers for women forced to stay in unhappy, potentially abusive unions.

In my own research, I have uncovered several divorce cases that the DC Circuit Court tried between 1860 and 1863. In the 1861 case of Jane Elizabeth Martha Mackall and Brooke Mackall, several of their 10 children gave depositions detailing the incessant abuse their mother suffered from her husband. Jane’s petition charges that “she believes her life is endangered and as such…shall receive the protection of this Court.” In this instance, as is the case of many of these suits, divorce stands as a way for women to try and preserve their family’s happiness and stability.

Since Crowder’s initial video, footage surfaced showing him shouting abusive insults at his wife (Crowder maintained that the video was “misleadingly edited”). For the wider public, it’s clear to many why his wife might have pursued divorce as her remedy. But for the remaining conservative critics, divorce remains an issue worth relitigating – with the goal of its destruction and the further suffering of women in bad relationships.

The strategies of those who want to ensure divorce stays a legal and readily accessible avenue may vary. As history reveals, divorce evolved over the 20th century into the no-fault system we have now. However, this current iteration of the divorce-driven moral panic over families is all too familiar and reflects a distinctly anti-woman, anti-choice agenda of its detractors.

[Glennfs]

Opinion piece with interesting info: https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/18/opinions ... index.html

Divorce laws hit men just as much as women. The opinion of the liberal oped writer and of many liberals just isn't so.

I am sure in the 50s 60s etc there were more men wanting out of their marriage than women whose wife refused to grant a divorce.
It reminds me of the old punch line
New York Times reports world to end Thursday
Women and minorities most effected.

My personal opinion of marriage is it should be a legal contract between the people involved. Approved by and written by the state.
If you want a ceremony find a religion to perform it. But the ceremony should not be part of the contract nor required.
No judge or public officials should perform a marriage ceremony.
To me it is just a legal contract to protect the personal property of those involved.

[gounion]

Divorce laws hit men just as much as women. The opinion of the liberal oped writer and of many liberals just isn't so.

I am sure in the 50s 60s etc there were more men wanting out of their marriage than women whose wife refused to grant a divorce.
It reminds me of the old punch line
New York Times reports world to end Thursday
Women and minorities most effected.

My personal opinion of marriage is it should be a legal contract between the people involved. Approved by and written by the state.
If you want a ceremony find a religion to perform it. But the ceremony should not be part of the contract nor required.
No judge or public officials should perform a marriage ceremony.
To me it is just a legal contract to protect the personal property of those involved.

Explain why you support ending no-fault divorce in states, even as the first no-fault divorce law was signed by Ronald Reagan. Go ahead.

Al the GOP wants to do is take people's human rights away.

[Glennfs]

Explain why you support ending no-fault divorce in states, even as the first no-fault divorce law was signed by Ronald Reagan. Go ahead.

Al the GOP wants to do is take people's human rights away.

I don't support it but I do support states rights. If the majority of the people in a state want to do away with no fault divorce that is their right.
Odd how liberals are only pro choice on one issue.
Again personally I believe that you get married in order to legally protect your property.
People who live together without a license from the state have a much stronger bond and trust than those who don't.

[gounion]

I don't support it but I do support states rights. If the majority of the people in a state want to do away with no fault divorce that is their right.
Odd how liberals are only pro choice on one issue.
Again personally I believe that you get married in order to legally protect your property.
People who live together without a license from the state have a much stronger bond and trust than those who don't.

Show me any state where a majority of people wants to end no-fault divorce. It's just crazed far-right litigators. None of them ran on the issue.

And since when do you support a majority voting on whether you can get a divorce or not?

I'm pro-human rights. It's a human right.

[Glennfs]

Show me any state where a majority of people wants to end no-fault divorce. It's just crazed far-right litigators. None of them ran on the issue.

And since when do you support a majority voting on whether you can get a divorce or not?

I'm pro-human rights. It's a human right.

Except for the slaves and children that work for Disney

[gounion]

Except for the slaves and children that work for Disney

You really think your lies bother me? Everyone coming to the board know tell it’s just deflection.

[Glennfs]

You really think your lies bother me? Everyone coming to the board know tell it’s just deflection.

Do you support Disney Yes
Is Disney a horrible place to work Reportedly Yes
Are the people overseas that make Disney merchandise Children and perhaps slaves Yes

So by supporting Disney you are supporting all the things you claim to oppose

[gounion]

Do you support Disney Yes
Is Disney a horrible place to work Reportedly Yes
Are the people overseas that make Disney merchandise Children and perhaps slaves Yes

So by supporting Disney you are supporting all the things you claim to oppose

No, nothing about supporting Disney. It’s about upholding the Constitution.

Where do YOU stand on Constitutional Rights?