Insanity

[bradman]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/just-insanit ... 34654.html
‘It’s just insanity’: ATF now needs 2 weeks to perform a routine gun trace

Simone Weichselbaum and Andrew Blankstein and Yasmine Salam and Frank Thorp V and Brenda Breslauer and Julie Tsirkin
Fri, August 19, 2022 at 3:04 PM
MARTINSBURG, W.Va. — Inside a windowless office in a nondescript brick building, a lone man is staring at three computer screens while typing out lines of code.

He’s among a group of developers and coders who aid federal agents responsible for tracking down the owners of guns used in crimes across the United States. But these computer experts use their talents not to modernize the gun shop records that pour into this facility, the National Tracing Center operated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or ATF. They are in fact doing the opposite: converting the digital files into screenshots akin to paper records so they cannot be searched electronically.

“It’s just insanity to think this is how we’re operating,” said Edgar Domenech, a former ATF deputy director.

Federal agents can run scans on things such as license plates and fingerprints to instantly find out who they belong to. But when it comes to guns, they’re essentially handcuffed by a 1986 law that keeps the ATF stuck in the past.

It's getting to be a weird world once again.

i forget. Am i for the ATF, or against?

[ProfX]

Well, since certain Rethugs are now saying their agents should be shot on sight ...

Yeah, ain't getting to be. Has been since the FOPA of 1986. I mean, yes, technology's moved on since then. You should be able to locate the ID number of any firearm on the barrel (or wherever), and electronically locate the owner in a database in 5 seconds. I mean, it should be that easy. Technologically, it COULD be.

It isn't. That law says you have to do ridiculous and tedious shuffles through paper records as if this was still 1956.

Cuz, oh my, if you could locate the owner of a gun quickly and easily, we all know what comes next ... an agent will show up at your door, and for no reason at all other than maybe your MAGA hat, take all guns in the house, oh yeah, and your Bible, and your Grey Poupon and whatever else they want to confiscate. NRA has said registration and electronic records will lead to mass confiscation, have always opposed it, and helped pass the dumbest parts of that law under Raygun.

I'm with you. That FOPA hasn't been amended or changed since then is, insanity.

[Glennfs]

Well, since certain Rethugs are now saying their agents should be shot on sight ...

Yeah, ain't getting to be. Has been since the FOPA of 1986. I mean, yes, technology's moved on since then. You should be able to locate the ID number of any firearm on the barrel (or wherever), and electronically locate the owner in a database in 5 seconds. I mean, it should be that easy. Technologically, it COULD be.

It isn't. That law says you have to do ridiculous and tedious shuffles through paper records as if this was still 1956.

Cuz, oh my, if you could locate the owner of a gun quickly and easily, we all know what comes next ... an agent will show up at your door, and for no reason at all other than maybe your MAGA hat, take all guns in the house, oh yeah, and your Bible, and your Grey Poupon and whatever else they want to confiscate. NRA has said registration and electronic records will lead to mass confiscation, have always opposed it, and helped pass the dumbest parts of that law under Raygun.

I'm with you. That FOPA hasn't been amended or changed since then is, insanity.

Well done
Take a candidate running ia vanity campaign. In a district that votes 70 to 85pct democratic. Then pretend that his extreme and obscene views are representative of Republicans.
Well done indeed

[ProfX]

WTF are you talking about?

[Glennfs]

WTF are you talking about?

People taking the obscene views of the guy in Florida district 20 and pretending they represent the Republican party

[ProfX]

Well,
a) I never said anything about that.
b) it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread (which, I guess, could go into anything dealing with mental illness given the topic title but the OP is about something more specific).
c) lemme know when you want to discuss that or what I actually posted.

[Libertas]

Well,
a) I never said anything about that.
b) it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread (which, I guess, could go into anything dealing with mental illness given the topic title but the OP is about something more specific).
c) lemme know when you want to discuss that or what I actually posted.

I just posted elsewhere that I’m watching Katie Porter on Jimmy Kimmel show hosted by Al Franken, this Woman exists to protect people like those here on this board, and every conservative on this board,although they are not really conservatives, would take the day off from work if they had to, to vote against her.

[Libertas]

How crazy is it that everybody knows Trump is dying to release information that will get FBI agents killed, this is an acceptable situation to cons and they have no problem with it.

That is where we are.

[bradman]

WTF are you talking about?

chuckle......Gunter glieben glauchen globen.

[Libertas]

Well,
a) I never said anything about that.
b) it has nothing to do with the topic of this thread (which, I guess, could go into anything dealing with mental illness given the topic title but the OP is about something more specific).
c) lemme know when you want to discuss that or what I actually posted.

I figured if board con was going to say stupid things, I could at least make smart comments that are slightly off topic.

[carmenjonze]

chuckle......Gunter glieben glauchen globen.

[carmenjonze]

Well done
Take a candidate running ia vanity campaign. In a district that votes 70 to 85pct democratic. Then pretend that his extreme and obscene views are representative of Republicans.
Well done indeed

what are you talking about?

[bradman]

Gibberish.

It's the one of the things i've found in my travels and talking to some conservatives...cognitive dissonance. Some of them insist they are moderate republicans when it's fairly obvious they are right of center or far right. It usually comes down to a simple question i have. Who would ya vote for, DeSantis or Romney? 8 times out of 10 it's, yup, DeSantis. To which the general reply is....... Well, now you're just putting lipstick on a pig. If they chuckle we continue. If i get daggers i tactically retreat. It's not worth it.

The other thing. Their algorithms are totally fucked up.

[carmenjonze]

Gibberish.

It's the one of the things i've found in my travels and talking to some conservatives...cognitive dissonance. Some of them insist they are moderate republicans when it's fairly obvious they are right of center or far right. It usually comes down to a simple question i have. Who would ya vote for, DeSantis or Romney? 8 times out of 10 it's, yup, DeSantis. To which the general reply is....... Well, now you're just putting lipstick on a pig. If they chuckle we continue. If i get daggers i tactically retreat. It's not worth it.

The other thing. Their algorithms are totally fucked up.

[ZoWie]

The mental algorithms currently defining US political discourse are very buggy and won't return real world data.