The Supreme Court (aka the Federalist Society) bans reality!

[JoeMemphis]

You should be better than grabbing the Soros bogeyman chestnut. ALEC, the Federalist Society, the Koch’s, The Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute have all had far more pull in American politics than Soros. Personally, I hope Soros’s son steps up his political action. The first two in the list are by fare the most dangerous.

And you should be better am than grabbing at all the other bogeymen. I’ve heard all that before. There is a ton of money in politics these days in both parties. You act as if Democrats are David and Republicans are Goliath. And yet we have an almost evenly divided legislature and Democrats currently control the White House and several governorships and mayors throughout the country. So pardon me if I don’t buy into your “bogeyman” chestnuts either.

[bradman]

And you should be better am than grabbing at all the other bogeymen. I’ve heard all that before. There is a ton of money in politics these days in both parties. You act as if Democrats are David and Republicans are Goliath. And yet we have an almost evenly divided legislature and Democrats currently control the White House and several governorships and mayors throughout the country. So pardon me if I don’t buy into your “bogeyman” chestnuts either.

[bold] Pretty much so.

[bird]

And you should be better am than grabbing at all the other bogeymen. I’ve heard all that before. There is a ton of money in politics these days in both parties. You act as if Democrats are David and Republicans are Goliath. And yet we have an almost evenly divided legislature and Democrats currently control the White House and several governorships and mayors throughout the country. So pardon me if I don’t buy into your “bogeyman” chestnuts either.

ALEC is far more of a problem than Soros ever was or will be. ALEC actually writes legislation which conservatives put into law.

So, no, the difference is vast.

Now, if you want to talk about lobbying that is something else. But even then the entire think tank network established by the Koch’s again dwarfs anything on the democratic side.

If there were a progressive operation even half on par with ALEC and the Koch network you would be screaming bloody murder. Instead you latch onto Soros who is nowhere near ALEC and the Koch network. Lewis Powell should have been shot before he wrote the Memo.

[JoeMemphis]

ALEC is far more of a problem than Soros ever was or will be. ALEC actually writes legislation which conservatives put into law.

So, no, the difference is vast.

Now, if you want to talk about lobbying that is something else. But even then the entire think tank network established by the Koch’s again dwarfs anything on the democratic side.

If there were a progressive operation even half on par with ALEC and the Koch network you would be screaming bloody murder. Instead you latch onto Soros who is nowhere near ALEC and the Koch network. Lewis Powell should have been shot before he wrote the Memo.

Oh please. That’s just whining. Obviously you don’t like conservative donors and they will ALWAYS be much worse and much more egregious than any liberal donors. Conservatives feel the same way in reverse. But all we need to do is LOOK at the ACTUAL political landscape and the nearly even political split in this country to know that’s all BS. Left in office with a favorable Senate, Biden and Schumer would leave us with liberal judiciary. The opposit will happen with conservatives. The protection against that type of activity was dismantled beginning with Harry Reid. It wasn’t Heritage or the Federalist Society. Harry was supported in his efforts by the likes of Biden and Schumer. Want it to end? Go back to the filibuster.

[gounion]

Oh please. That’s just whining. Obviously you don’t like conservative donors and they will ALWAYS be much worse and much more egregious than any liberal donors. Conservatives feel the same way in reverse. But all we need to do is LOOK at the ACTUAL political landscape and the nearly even political split in this country to know that’s all BS. Left in office with a favorable Senate, Biden and Schumer would leave us with liberal judiciary. The opposit will happen with conservatives. The protection against that type of activity was dismantled beginning with Harry Reid. It wasn’t Heritage or the Federalist Society. Harry was supported in his efforts by the likes of Biden and Schumer. Want it to end? Go back to the filibuster.

What bullshit. If the ACLU was writing law, you’d be out of your mind insane over it. But that’s just what ALEC is doing. But hey, if it’s for YOUR side, it’s all fine, right?

If the ACLU was the one giving the list to the President of who to pick for the SC, you’d be nuts over it. But since it’s the Federalist Society that’s picking our Justices, you’re fine with it.

It’s called hypocrisy, and you wallow in it.

[Bludogdem]

State Innovation Exchange.

“ The State Innovation Exchange (SiX) is a nonprofit organization that provides model progressive policies for state and local legislators. The organization also offers tools to track the activities of key legislators and the status of various issues in each state. SiX was formed by a merger of several previously independent nonprofits: the Progressive States Network (PSN), the American Legislative and Issue Campaign Exchange (ALICE), and the Center for State Innovation (CSI).[2][1]”


“ At the time of its founding, the goal of the organization was "to boost progressive state lawmakers and their causes — partly by drafting model legislation in state capitols ”

https://ballotpedia.org/State_Innovation_Exchange

There is an abundance of liberal and liberal leaning organizations like the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, American Constitution Society, The Center for Law in the Public Interest, Public Advocates, the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Sierra Club Legal Defense Fund, the League of Women Voters Education Fund, etc., etc. that provide input for judicial picks and boiler plates for legislation.

[gounion]

State Innovation Exchange.

“ The State Innovation Exchange (SiX) is a nonprofit organization that provides model progressive policies for state and local legislators. The organization also offers tools to track the activities of key legislators and the status of various issues in each state. SiX was formed by a merger of several previously independent nonprofits: the Progressive States Network (PSN), the American Legislative and Issue Campaign Exchange (ALICE), and the Center for State Innovation (CSI).[2][1]”


“ At the time of its founding, the goal of the organization was "to boost progressive state lawmakers and their causes — partly by drafting model legislation in state capitols ”

https://ballotpedia.org/State_Innovation_Exchange

There is an abundance of liberal and liberal leaning organizations like the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, American Constitution Society, The Center for Law in the Public Interest, Public Advocates, the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Sierra Club Legal Defense Fund, the League of Women Voters Education Fund, etc., etc. that provide input for judicial picks and boiler plates for legislation.

It’s one thing to provide input. It’s another to provide the list that all nominations for judges at all levels are picked from exclusively. That was done for both the Bush II and the Trump administrations. The Federalist Society controls the right-wing judiciary.

[Glennfs]

It’s one thing to provide input. It’s another to provide the list that all nominations for judges at all levels are picked from exclusively. That was done for both the Bush II and the Trump administrations. The Federalist Society controls the right-wing judiciary.

The only difference between the two is on the manner in which they go about it.

While the Republicans are only nominating judges who have been recommended by the Federalist Society.
The democratic party is only nominating judges approved by the liberal organizations listed.

[ZoWie]

Right. The list of pressure groups is very long. The list of pressure groups that provide the chosen few that all current SCOTUS candidates must be from is very short. As in one.

One is wrong. Period. I don't care if it's Mothers for Peace. It's a shitty way to run a country. It's Tammany Hall or Boss Tweed on steroids. It creates old-boy networks, which are a particularly toxic mutation of class. It gets especially gross when they start looking for women or minority candidates that will act white enough to pass muster.

The mistake that is not addressed in the Federalist Papers is letting any one affinity group promulgate an "official" list of possible SCOTUS picks. The Federalists did not anticipate clearly defined political parties churning out hours of one-sided propaganda from talking heads on shiny screens, nor did they envision a time when white male dominance would come under serious attack. Neither did they anticipate a time when the general public is taught enough reading comprehension to vote a written ballot. Therefore their model is less than ideal for our times.

[Bludogdem]

The only difference between the two is on the manner in which they go about it.

While the Republicans are only nominating judges who have been recommended by the Federalist Society.
The democratic party is only nominating judges approved by the liberal organizations listed.

Yep

[JoeMemphis]

What bullshit. If the ACLU was writing law, you’d be out of your mind insane over it. But that’s just what ALEC is doing. But hey, if it’s for YOUR side, it’s all fine, right?

If the ACLU was the one giving the list to the President of who to pick for the SC, you’d be nuts over it. But since it’s the Federalist Society that’s picking our Justices, you’re fine with it.

It’s called hypocrisy, and you wallow in it.

No it’s reality you dumbshit. Reality. You just repeated what I said. Of course, I will most always favor a conservative point of view and obviously progressives will prefer a more liberal point of view. We don’t and won’t always agree. Each side will think it is right and the other is wrong. That’s just how life works.

The filibuster was a means of forcing a compromise by requiring a super majority. That’s gone away now at least in the area of judicial nominations. Are we better off? I don’t think so. Gone are the days when Scalia and RBG got plus 90 votes in confirmation. Now we are left with character assassination writ large. The court is worse off without the filibuster. It is now more political than ever.

[Bludogdem]

No it’s reality you dumbshit. Reality. You just repeated what I said. Of course, I will most always favor a conservative point of view and obviously progressives will prefer a more liberal point of view. We don’t and won’t always agree. Each side will think it is right and the other is wrong. That’s just how life works.

The filibuster was a means of forcing a compromise by requiring a super majority. That’s gone away now at least in the area of judicial nominations. Are we better off? I don’t think so. Gone are the days when Scalia and RBG got plus 90 votes in confirmation. Now we are left with character assassination writ large. The court is worse off without the filibuster. It is now more political than ever.

Yep

[gounion]

No it’s reality you dumbshit. Reality. You just repeated what I said. Of course, I will most always favor a conservative point of view and obviously progressives will prefer a more liberal point of view. We don’t and won’t always agree. Each side will think it is right and the other is wrong. That’s just how life works.

The filibuster was a means of forcing a compromise by requiring a super majority. That’s gone away now at least in the area of judicial nominations. Are we better off? I don’t think so. Gone are the days when Scalia and RBG got plus 90 votes in confirmation. Now we are left with character assassination writ large. The court is worse off without the filibuster. It is now more political than ever.

You tried a false equivalence, dumbshit. Just because there are organizations on the left that try to influence appointments, there’s none of the left that gives the list that the President MUST choose from. The last two GOP Presidents picked from that list.

GW Bush tried to appoint one of his personal lawyers the first pick he had, and they almost rode him out of town on a rail. He pulled that pick, and stuck to the Federalist Society list after that.

[JoeMemphis]

You tried a false equivalence, dumbshit. Just because there are organizations on the left that try to influence appointments, there’s none of the left that gives the list that the President MUST choose from. The last two GOP Presidents picked from that list.

GW Bush tried to appoint one of his personal lawyers the first pick he had, and they almost rode him out of town on a rail. He pulled that pick, and stuck to the Federalist Society list after that.

Oh the false equivalence bullshit again. It’s always you excuse when confronted with the truth. There’s a ton on money on politics. A ton of money buying influence. It’s a game played by both parties and right now the nation is pretty evenly split. So to claim one is any more guilty than the other is just bullshit. All anyone has to do is to look at the results.

Bottomline. Nobody is winning.

[Glennfs]

You tried a false equivalence, dumbshit. Just because there are organizations on the left that try to influence appointments, there’s none of the left that gives the list that the President MUST choose from. The last two GOP Presidents picked from that list.

GW Bush tried to appoint one of his personal lawyers the first pick he had, and they almost rode him out of town on a rail. He pulled that pick, and stuck to the Federalist Society list after that.

Yes it is just a coincidence that every appointment has been approved by those liberal organizations. You would be hard pressed to find an appointment thet opposed.

[gounion]

Yes it is just a coincidence that every appointment has been approved by those liberal organizations. You would be hard pressed to find an appointment thet opposed.

Oh? What liberal organizations?

[Bludogdem]

Oh? What liberal organizations?

“ There is an abundance of liberal and liberal leaning organizations like the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, American Constitution Society, The Center for Law in the Public Interest, Public Advocates, the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Sierra Club Legal Defense Fund, the League of Women Voters Education Fund, etc., etc. that provide input for judicial picks and boiler plates for legislation.” there are a lot more.

[gounion]

“ There is an abundance of liberal and liberal leaning organizations like the ACLU, Planned Parenthood, American Constitution Society, The Center for Law in the Public Interest, Public Advocates, the Natural Resources Defense Council, the Sierra Club Legal Defense Fund, the League of Women Voters Education Fund, etc., etc. that provide input for judicial picks and boiler plates for legislation.” there are a lot more.

You listed eight - by my count - organizations.

How many of these named organizations approved Trump’s appointments to the Supreme Court, doya think?

[Bludogdem]

You listed eight - by my count - organizations.

How many of these named organizations approved Trump’s appointments to the Supreme Court, doya think?

Misread the previous posts.

[gounion]

Misread the previous posts.

I've done it before. We are all, after all, human.

[Glennfs]

I've done it before. We are all, after all, human.

When I do that number6 says I am a liar. Personally I won't do that when a person makes a mistake. As only a complete and total asshole would do that.

[gounion]

When I do that number6 says I am a liar. Personally I won't do that when a person makes a mistake. As only a complete and total asshole would do that.

Bullshit. To tell someone they don't love their country and the call them a communist is being a complete and total asshole. And you fit the bill.

But I'm also noting that you aren't naming the "liberal organization" that has endorsed all of Trump's Supreme Court nominees.

[Glennfs]

Bullshit. To tell someone they don't love their country and the call them a communist is being a complete and total asshole. And you fit the bill.

But I'm also noting that you aren't naming the "liberal organization" that has endorsed all of Trump's Supreme Court nominees.

You have never once praised our country on any thread.
You have praised Cuba, China and Venezuela. But never the USA.
So tell us in today's world and today's time which country in the world is the greatest

[gounion]

You have never once praised our country on any thread.
You have praised Cuba, China and Venezuela. But never the USA.
So tell us in today's world and today's time which country in the world is the greatest

Again, lies. I’ve never praised ANY of those countries. The only way you could think so on ANY of them, is I’ve pointed out the FACT that Cuba’s medical outcomes and infant mortality are better than ours. But that’s not praising them.

YOU’RE the one that loves to head to Walmart to buy all the Chinese-made crap you can. I’ve been anti-China for decades.

And what good do I have to say about Venezuela?

[Glennfs]

Again, lies. I’ve never praised ANY of those countries. The only way you could think so on ANY of them, is I’ve pointed out the FACT that Cuba’s medical outcomes and infant mortality are better than ours. But that’s not praising them.

YOU’RE the one that loves to head to Walmart to buy all the Chinese-made crap you can. I’ve been anti-China for decades.

And what good do I have to say about Venezuela?

You have said that Cuba has better human rights than we do.
You have praised China because they claim they are doing more to fight pollution than the USA.
As for Venezuela all you leftist used to praise them as a shining light of how great socialism is.....right up to the time they imploded. Remember how funny it was when the Venezuelan president called our president el Diablo.
As for Cuban medical outcomes if you believe that you are a special kind of stupid.