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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 2:37 pm 
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Good...we agree on something. And some people say there's no god.

Meantime, Nancy Pelosi is not the enemy. The 46% of American voters who cast ballots for Trump and the 46% of non-voting Americans who agree with them are the enemy.

It's not politics, Justin. It's a culture war, pretty much the continuation and expansion of the culture war that was started by the war in Vietnam. Back in 1970 we despised LBJ no less than we despised Nixon. It's not politics...its a war for the culture we want to live in. And I'm hoping that when all is said and done, you and I would be on the same side.


The first skirmish in that particular culture war started with the proto-dropouts in the 1950s who were into Eastern religion and such. Formal hostilities started when civil rights became a national cause. Vietnam just turned it into Culture War III.

What's interesting now is how suddenly everyone who did the Arlo Guthrie thing and resisted the draft in the 1960s, in other words 90% of the eligible population with the economic wherewithal* to do so, is now guilty of some kind of treasonous conduct for not serving. Uhhhh... different era, different war. I hate revisionist history.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 02, 2017 5:56 pm 
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Does Donna Brazile’s comment add or subtract to this conversation?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story ... 016-215774

Or Warren?

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/35 ... or-clinton

Has the party stalled because HRC lost?


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The first skirmish in that particular culture war started with the proto-dropouts in the 1950s who were into Eastern religion and such. Formal hostilities started when civil rights became a national cause. Vietnam just turned it into Culture War III.

What's interesting now is how suddenly everyone who did the Arlo Guthrie thing and resisted the draft in the 1960s, in other words 90% of the eligible population with the economic wherewithal* to do so, is now guilty of some kind of treasonous conduct for not serving. Uhhhh... different era, different war. I hate revisionist history.


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wouldnt wish the vietnam war on anybody

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:39 am 
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There doesn't need to be a culture war.



Correct. There doesn't need to be a culture war. But in fact, there is...it started in 1964, or perhaps even as far back as the "Dharma Bums" of the 50's. It's a culture war whether you think there doesn't need to be one, or not Justin.

And this is how the right is now fighting it these days...on the right wing media front, and now that we have a fucking xenophibic, nationalistic, bigot demagogue in the Oval Office...it is fully and ruthlessly being fought on the political front...

Trump and his allies are laying the groundwork for a Saturday Night Massacre

And if we aren't just as ruthless...we are gonna get eaten alive. Meantime...way, way too many lefties want to piss and moan about the DNC and the Clintons.

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Has the party stalled because HRC lost?


Hope not. Her career as a politician is over (IMHO). As a public figure ... who knows ... helping to raise money for other Democrats ... well, that's a good thing, have no problem with that.

It's time to move on. Hope we find a good nominee for 2020 who can beat President Pence. I kid, I kid. Or do I?

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Hope not. Her career as a politician is over (IMHO). As a public figure ... who knows ... helping to raise money for other Democrats ... well, that's a good thing, have no problem with that.

It's time to move on. Hope we find a good nominee for 2020 who can beat President Pence. I kid, I kid. Or do I?


Indiana survived four years of Pence governance. The country can survive two of Pence. And the thing is...Trump VP or not...Pence is pretty much mainstream Republican. He has friends all over the place. The other thing is that with Pence in office, experienced candidates for cabinet and other executive branch offices who can actually do the job will actually want the job. And they will be beating down the door for the jobs. What we have now in these jobs are the fucked up dregs willing to work for a deranged animal. Zinke, Sessions, Huckabee Sanders, Purdue, Ross, Carson(?????????), Perry, Pruitt? Really???

And half the desk chairs in the executive branch are still empty. On the one hand we might say...good! One less bureaucrat at a desk, the better for the country. On the other hand...a lot of these jobs are important, and a lot of important shit is not getting done. Because the guy in charge is an incompetent deranged animal.

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I'm done with this Democratic leadership. D.O.N.E.

They do not get it. They will never get it. They don't want to get it, because that would require acknowledging they have been wrong for 12 years as they forced everyone who was right out of leadership. This from P.A., where the Democrats said they were heavily invested in.

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National Republican groups have poured $10 million into the race, outspending Democratic groups by 10 to one, according to a New York Times analysis. Television ads attack Mr. Lamb over plea deals he made as an assistant United States attorney and insist that he would be a “rubber stamp” for Nancy Pelosi, the California Democrat who leads the House minority. (Mr. Lamb released a TV ad saying he did not support Ms. Pelosi.)

Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. is scheduled to stump for Mr. Lamb on Tuesday, and the Lamb campaign said this week that it had raised $3.2 million in the first seven weeks of 2018, an extraordinary sum that is a measure of Democratic enthusiasm.

Even so, national Democrats are trying to tamp down expectations for the race. Having seen hopes for special-election upsets fall short last year in Georgia, Kansas, Montana and South Carolina, they are wary of another setback in Pennsylvania.

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee has so far spent only modestly on the race. “We look at places that have dormant or growing Democratic DNA, and this one has neither,” said Meredith Kelly, a spokeswoman for the committee. “I think people underestimate that this is a tough district.”
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The DNC is still trying to justify its claim that there is no evidence of dormant or growing Democratic activism here. Yet every interview is of a disaffected Democrat who voted for Trump. They apparently don't understand that Democratic enthusiasm doesn't grow, just so the DNC can take advantage of it. It needs an incubator, fertilizer, and constant attention. A blue wave, even of in-district fund-raising doesn't even fit the bill I guess.

I thought Pelosi's name was the albatross around our necks...that it was somewhat unfair (though I didn't care about fairness). Now I'm seeing it is everything about the way these people do business. The GOP won these voters away from the Democrats and the DNC thinks they should be won back over BEFORE we invest more than 1/10th of the resources the GOP does.

They all need to go.

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I've favored a total housecleaning for years. We need some fresh leadership. As the mayor said during Katrina (though referring to the Republicans), "I don't care if they're idiots. Bring me a new idiot. Just don't keep sending me the same idiots."

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I'm done with this Democratic leadership. D.O.N.E.

They do not get it. They will never get it. They don't want to get it, because that would require acknowledging they have been wrong for 12 years as they forced everyone who was right out of leadership. This from P.A., where the Democrats said they were heavily invested in.


The DNC is still trying to justify its claim that there is no evidence of dormant or growing Democratic activism here. Yet every interview is of a disaffected Democrat who voted for Trump. They apparently don't understand that Democratic enthusiasm doesn't grow, just so the DNC can take advantage of it. It needs an incubator, fertilizer, and constant attention. A blue wave, even of in-district fund-raising doesn't even fit the bill I guess.

I thought Pelosi's name was the albatross around our necks...that it was somewhat unfair (though I didn't care about fairness). Now I'm seeing it is everything about the way these people do business. The GOP won these voters away from the Democrats and the DNC thinks they should be won back over BEFORE we invest more than 1/10th of the resources the GOP does.

They all need to go.


I read that NY Times article. I didn't notice so much the criticism the Republicans made about Pelosi. What I noticed was the close proximity to laid off steel workers in that district and Trump's announcement of tariffs on steel.

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I've favored a total housecleaning for years. We need some fresh leadership. As the mayor said during Katrina (though referring to the Republicans), "I don't care if they're idiots. Bring me a new idiot. Just don't keep sending me the same idiots."

Completely agree. If it is a question of keeping or retaining, one weighs accomplishments vs. failures. The current entrenched DNC are failures. They failed Obama. They failed the state legislatures. They continue to dole out campaign support based on the Clinton 40-20-40 formula, where getting to 51 percent is just a matter of triangulation rather than principled national governance.

So bring me a fool. He or she can still fail more (see Trump's example that the elevator can always go lower), but there is nothing that justifies giving the current crop of fools another chance.

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Sam, I defy you to find a single even semi-contested House race where the GOP isn't using Pelosi in campaign ads.

I admit I don't get it. I have nothing personally against her person or politics, just her role as part of this failed leadership. But America, and particularly independents, see her as utterly detached from middle American values, and she sure hasn't done anything to talk to them. She talks to Californians, who are also the base of her power in the House.

All evidence currently suggests that the DNC is holding back on swing state districts with Democrats who have publicly distanced themselves from her. My intention is to fund those races directly, not because I hate Pelosi. But how else do we get the change we need? I can't think of a way, but I'm all ears.

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Sam, I defy you to find a single even semi-contested House race where the GOP isn't using Pelosi in campaign ads.


J_dogg, that's immaterial to the question of whether we ought to change our party leadership.

Any leader we set in that leadership role would be used negatively in congressional GOP campaign ads within a week of our naming them.

And it wouldn't stop her from being used negatively with her removal either. After all they're still using Obama and both Clinton's negatively in some ads too.

The Ghost of Pelosi Past will continue to haunt Scrooge for many more years to come no matter what we do.


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J_dogg, that's immaterial to the question of whether we ought to change our party leadership.

Any leader we set in that leadership role would be used negatively in congressional GOP campaign ads within a week of our naming them.

And it wouldn't stop her from being used negatively with her removal either. After all they're still using Obama and both Clinton's negatively in some ads too.

The Ghost of Pelosi Past will continue to haunt Scrooge for many more years to come no matter what we do.

Bullshit. First, the fact that she is so toxic is her fault, and a detriment to her ability to govern a coalition. They aren't using her because she is unpopular with Republicans. They are using her because she does not market herself, or the party, to a broad coalition. She is not responsive to their concerns. She has groomed a party that openly talks down to middle class voters in rural or red states.

The Democrats still don't want to ask why there are so many former-Democrats in areas they used to win. They don't want to accept they did anything to create Trump voters.

Second, the party structure exists to win elections, not reward liberals for their hard work or faithfulness. So even if she were morally and factually blameless, she would still deserve to be fired for not being effective.

Third, Obama a was President. Hillary tried to be. Pelosi would be the former Speaker and Rep. from California.

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Always whining about not getting his way.

There's nothing wrong with Nancy Pelosi, or Hillary Clinton. Pelosi and Clinton are not the reasons why Donald Trump is in the White House. The reason is that the electorate is half full of assholes including the 58% of white voters who chose for the sociopathic grifter, misogynist pig sexual assault perp.

You people really believe the socialist Jew would have won the 2016 presidential contest if Nancy Pelosi had retired in 2014? Fuckin really?

The problem is the people. It's always the people. In particular the asshole democrat people who stayed home last Nov 8th because they couldn't have the fucking candidate they wanted. The point is to keep the actual bad guys out of office.

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Always whining about not getting his way.

There's nothing wrong with Nancy Pelosi, or Hillary Clinton. Pelosi and Clinton are not the reasons why Donald Trump is in the White House. The reason is that the electorate is half full of assholes including the 58% of white voters who chose for the sociopathic grifter, misogynist pig sexual assault perp.

You people really believe the socialist Jew would have won the 2016 presidential contest if Nancy Pelosi had retired in 2014? Fuckin really?

The problem is the people. It's always the people. In particular the asshole democrat people who stayed home last Nov 8th because they couldn't have the fucking candidate they wanted. The point is to keep the actual bad guys out of office.

Have you even been following this conversation? Probably not.

I'm whining alright. We liberals call that activism. RWers call it whining.

I absolutely believe that Howard Dean would have prevented the THOUSANDS of seats in state and national government the Pelosi leadership has cost us. You'll recall Dean was fired after the most successful Democratic election in over 50 years. How that impacts today I have no idea. Maybe there would never have been a Tea Party wave or a Trump candidacy.

Keep telling yourself that the DNC has nothing to be accountable for. I've logged your vote. No...We can't fire Pelosi regardless of whether she fails us again. When we lose a close race because we spent 1/10th what the GOP did, we'll know you are to blame.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 5:38 pm 
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We can't fire Pelosi?


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I can't think of a fucking single thing where you and I would agree on the proper thing to do. But we have Trump in the White House because Pelosi failed us...not because the electorate is full of assholes. Thats easy, and one of the dopiest things I've heard in ages.. Remind me I don't want you arguing for me in court. And then I can remind you that you don't want me doing your mental status.

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I think the dopiest thing would be to claim that democrats are no more than place holders subject to the whims of voters which they have no control over. I guess a monkey can run the DNC then. So let's let one try it.

Or, you recognize their power and responsibilities, but refuse to hold them accountable.

You keep trying to focus on Trump, rather than the THOUSANDS of seats lost since 2008. Why is that?

Also, not that you care:

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Pelosi in front of the DNC electorate: "Well, there were too many assholes this time. I guess we'll just hope there are fewer next election. What more could we possibly do?"

You are right. We disagree on that mentality.

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I think the dopiest thing would be to claim that democrats are no more than place holders subject to the whims of voters which they have no control over. I guess a monkey can run the DNC then. So let's let one try it.

Or, you recognize their power and responsibilities, but refuse to hold them accountable.

You keep trying to focus on Trump, rather than the THOUSANDS of seats lost since 2008. Why is that?

Also, not that you care:


Pelosi in front of the DNC electorate: "Well, there were too many assholes this time. I guess we'll just hope there are fewer next election. What more could we possibly do?"

You are right. We disagree on that mentality.


If I altered a quote of yours it was not fucking intentional. If i snipped a quote of yours, that's not altering it...either way, feel free to go scold your children.

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If I altered a quote of yours it was not fucking intentional. If i snipped a quote of yours, that's not altering it...either way, feel free to go scold your children.

I accept your claim that you somehow inadvertently took 3 words out of the middle of my post, added a question mark, and created a new sentence to match your gif, unintentionally.

I appreciate your mature response, as always.

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I accept your claim that you somehow inadvertently took 3 words out of the middle of my post, added a question mark, and created a new sentence to match your gif, unintentionally.

I appreciate your mature response, as always.

Feh.

All he did was alter your post a little. Changed the statement to a question. It's not like he altered things to make you look silly. Ike, my friend Ike, wouldn't do that.


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Always whining about not getting his way.

There's nothing wrong with Nancy Pelosi, or Hillary Clinton. Pelosi and Clinton are not the reasons why Donald Trump is in the White House. The reason is that the electorate is half full of assholes including the 58% of white voters who chose for the sociopathic grifter, misogynist pig sexual assault perp.

You people really believe the socialist Jew would have won the 2016 presidential contest if Nancy Pelosi had retired in 2014? Fuckin really?

The problem is the people. It's always the people. In particular the asshole democrat people who stayed home last Nov 8th because they couldn't have the fucking candidate they wanted. The point is to keep the actual bad guys out of office.

Correct.

Pelosi and Clinton are not the reasons why Donald Trump is in the White House.

Clinton is the reason why Donald Trump is in the White House.

She ran her campaign so poorly that she lost an election she should have won by a landslide. She earned her loss.


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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:52 pm 
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Correct.

Pelosi and Clinton are not the reasons why Donald Trump is in the White House.

Clinton is the reason why Donald Trump is in the White House.

She ran her campaign so poorly that she lost an election she should have won by a landslide. She earned her loss.


Yeh...earned her loss and also earned 2.8 million more votes than her opponent.

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Feh.

All he did was alter your post a little. Changed the statement to a question. It's not like he altered things to make you look silly. Ike, my friend Ike, wouldn't do that.

First, deliberately altering quotations has always been a red line on every message board I've ever seen. I stopped caring about Ike's opinions of me long ago...If I ever started.

But someone should point out bullshit like that.

Second, he clearly just wanted to use his meme, so silly was what he was after.

Third, he denied doing it. So if calling him on it was wrong, what is a Trumpian denial? "I never said that? The new sentence formed all on its own."

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Bullshit. First, the fact that she is so toxic is her fault, and a detriment to her ability to govern a coalition. They aren't using her because she is unpopular with Republicans. They are using her because she does not market herself, or the party, to a broad coalition. She is not responsive to their concerns. She has groomed a party that openly talks down to middle class voters in rural or red states.

The Democrats still don't want to ask why there are so many former-Democrats in areas they used to win. They don't want to accept they did anything to create Trump voters.

Second, the party structure exists to win elections, not reward liberals for their hard work or faithfulness. So even if she were morally and factually blameless, she would still deserve to be fired for not being effective.

Third, Obama a was President. Hillary tried to be. Pelosi would be the former Speaker and Rep. from California.


J_dogg why did you say Bullshit to what i said?

You had said "Sam, I defy you to find a single even semi-contested House race where the GOP isn't using Pelosi in campaign ads."

I said, "J_dogg, that's immaterial to the question of whether we ought to change our party leadership." And then I made a good sound argument as to why it was immaterial, limiting my argument to what was immaterial about it.

You said "bullshit, ... ." Then you made a somewhat more material argument in the place of that awful throw away immaterial argument you threw at me before. :|




About Ike having misquoted your statement: "No...We can't fire Pelosi regardless of whether she fails us again."

It misquoted as a question "We can't fire Pelosi?". Questions are not the same as statements at all, that was a misquote for Ike to have done that. In doing that Ike introduced a pejorative element.

However I see no problem with trimming out four words out of a long sentence to quote and then address. I do that sometimes.

The leading epilepsy was already there, if Ike had added a trailing epilepsy a space and a period, that would have in my mind passed muster.

Like this: "... We can't fire Pelosi ... ."

That indicates there's missing context both before and after the quoted words, and coupled with that link at the top of the quote box anyone who wants to can easily find that missing context. And in some cases, however not this one, it doesn't suggest that the quoted person wrote an incomplete sentence.


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I accept your claim that you somehow inadvertently took 3 words out of the middle of my post, added a question mark, and created a new sentence to match your gif, unintentionally.

I appreciate your mature response, as always.


I've always been so very concerned with what you choose to appreciate and what you don't.

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New leadership, new blood can be good things.

But ... throwing all the bums out when you have the same structural/campaign finance systems/forces in play ... just gets you a new crop of bums. Term limits is the wrong answer to a deeper problem.

And, this idea that anything from outside the system is always better than the establishment gave us Trump, and that sucked ass. (Not that he ever really came from outside the establishment, but he was good at playing an outsider on TV.)

As I always say: so you're from outside the establishment. Grand? Do you suck worse? Than go the fuck away, I want improvement.

Don't just tell me the system is rigged, the establishment is bad ... I'm one of those folks that actually wants you to spell out how you are going to fix it. And whether it will work.

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