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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:50 pm 
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I expect Franken to be Primaried. 45 will continue to do the shit 45 does. I expect the Republicans to find a way create Manufactured Outrage.

In the Republican World, 45 is necessary evil who will be allowed to continue his roll as a useful idiot until such a time as he is not usefu. Let's be clear, if HRC, as President had done 1/100th. of shit 45 has done she would be impeached.

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I was reading the page down to this point. What I read amounts to a display of motive for Al Franken and Leeann Tweeden to preform another passion skit together.

Think about the way it might have gone down, Al may have said to Leeann, would you do me a favor, why don't you use that old photo and mention that kiss done in rehearsal and accuse me of sexual harassment.

I'll apologize very sincerely and beg forgiveness. After the GOP senators and the Democratic senators including me call for an investigation. And after Trump who won't be able to stay out of it plods into the trap. You accept the apology, and say you are quite satisfied by it.

We'll teach America a lesson about adult behavior by performing a passion skit. A lesson Trump cannot duplicate because he cannot give a sincere apology or beg for forgiveness. And it will create an impression upon Congress and America that this is something important which does need to have something done about it.


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OK... so here is the fucking deal. I highly doubt most of the fuckers here on this board (I will agree that this is an assumption based on nothing more than reading some of the ignorant posts on this thread combined that since 1992 I have had as a minimum..... annual sexual harassment training..... because it has changed through the years) have had as much mandatory sexual harassment training as I have had. I will now bore you. In 1991 the US Navy had the Tailhook scandal. Tailhook took place in Vegas.... and evidently... what happened in Vegas did not stay in Vegas that year. 87 females and 7 men reported not just sexual harassment, but in many cases sexual assault. So the Navy went full on sexual harassment stand-downs. Entire days dedicated to identifying what sexual harassment is and what constitutes sexual harassment.

Sexual assault is a different matter entirely. For glenn and dumber6.... the only reason that I bring up the body armor and the photo is that it wasn't groping. Rubbing a lady's titties while she is unconscious is not sexual harassment. It is sexual assault. That is the only reason I bring this up..... not to excuse his stupid action, but to point out that there is a difference between harassment and assault. JFC.... you fuckers kill me sometimes.

Regarding Franken's actions.... or any comedians ..... well not LuisCK.... funny dude..... but masturbating in front of women.... not a good optic.... especially if you look like LuisCK.......

What Sexual Harassment boils down to is this.... Sexual Harassment is in the eyes of the beholder. It is the person that feels harassed that defines what sexual harassment is. Period. Exclamation point.

I don't understand what you knuckleheads don't understand. Harassment can be vague at times.... some will find a joke funny while others will be mortified by it. Personally.... I find the rehearsal way more creepy than the photo. On the other-hand... I have seen obviously shocked guests on SNL getting kissed harder than they thought they were going to be live. Usually though from the girls.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:23 pm 
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I expect Franken to be Primaried. 45 will continue to do the shit 45 does. I expect the Republicans to find a way create Manufactured Outrage.

In the Republican World, 45 is necessary evil who will be allowed to continue his roll as a useful idiot until such a time as he is not usefu. Let's be clear, if HRC, as President had done 1/100th. of shit 45 has done she would be impeached.


This will be long forgotten by 2020. He may decide to move on to other projects. But. If he decides to run again I doubt there will be a serious primary threat.

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Shine.... we saw what he did..... that moment, but she is making less of a deal about the photo than than glenn is.... my point is that..... if i make a joke that offends somebody.... and most of my jokes are sexual in nature.... i would say that most joke period are sexual in nature (or racist) and i tell one..... someone could be offended. What is supposed to happen is that I.... should be notified that my behavior is offensive and given the chance to modify it. That does not include sitting on one picture for a decade..... or Roger Stone tweeting about the impending doom of al franken prior to the release of the kissing story and picture. (GLENN if you are done unfucking your brain.....this is how people start thinking that the lady is doing a political hit-job. She is a fox contributor on a right-wing radio station.... the original complaintants against Moore voted for Trump.... which baffles me.... but I hope you can j


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And then.... she accepts the apology.... and is cool with it all. Something doesn't add up.


There are people claiming all of Moore s accusors are Democrats with ties to HRC. I am sure we both agree that those people are idiots.

How is it any less idiotic to bring up her business relationship with Fox.

I am amazed at what I've read here from the left. Everything from she asked for it, to she has nice tits, to she knows Hannity to he didn't really touch her to you can't cop a feel thro,ugh that vest. Which I am pretty sure nobody here would be saying had it been Cruz in the photo.

How about this, Franken screwed up, if there are no more credible accusors give him a letter of censer and move on. If there are more accusations that are as credible as these he needs to step down.

One more thing the next time a rwer is accused how many are going to react the same.

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"The left, blah blah blah, the left, blah blah blah, the left, blah blah blah."

Who else is sick of Glenfs?

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There are people claiming all of Moore s accusors are Democrats with ties to HRC. I am sure we both agree that those people are idiots.

How is it any less idiotic to bring up her business relationship with Fox.

I am amazed at what I've read here from the left. Everything from she asked for it, to she has nice tits, to she knows Hannity to he didn't really touch her to you can't cop a feel thro,ugh that vest. Which I am pretty sure nobody here would be saying had it been Cruz in the photo.

How about this, Franken screwed up, if there are no more credible accusors give him a letter of censer and move on. If there are more accusations that are as credible as these he needs to step down.

One more thing the next time a rwer is accused how many are going to react the same.

Why did InfoWars and Roger Stone know this was going to come down ahead of time? That is a question I'd like to see answered.


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As a Sergeant in th 1970's, I had to often deal with a Young PFC or Brand New Specialist who had sexually abused or assaulted. My job was to somehow make it better.

Outside of tranferring to another unit, my options were limited at the time. The abuser was more often as not a Senior Staff NCO of an Officer. The Chain of Command was a good old boys network, the WPPS (West Point Protective Society) was very strong and the WAC (Women's Army Corps) was still seen as the bring me a cup of coffee group. Good for being a secretary, but that's about it.

There virtually no real way to report abuse, the I.G. at the time did not consider such abuse a problem. After Women started graduating from the Military Acadamies, things began to change.

What can one do for an 18-Year Old Woman, away from home for the first time and her Staff NCO Supervisor just fondled her?

Personally I would meet the SOB at his car and kick the shit out of him....then tell his wife.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:08 pm 
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There are people claiming .


Names, dates and place glen. Otherwise you just quoting fox.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:20 pm 
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OK... so here is the fucking deal. I highly doubt most of the fuckers here on this board (I will agree that this is an assumption based on nothing more than reading some of the ignorant posts on this thread combined that since 1992 I have had as a minimum..... annual sexual harassment training..... because it has changed through the years) have had as much mandatory sexual harassment training as I have had. I will now bore you. In 1991 the US Navy had the Tailhook scandal. Tailhook took place in Vegas.... and evidently... what happened in Vegas did not stay in Vegas that year. 87 females and 7 men reported not just sexual harassment, but in many cases sexual assault. So the Navy went full on sexual harassment stand-downs. Entire days dedicated to identifying what sexual harassment is and what constitutes sexual harassment.

Sexual assault is a different matter entirely. For glenn and dumber6.... the only reason that I bring up the body armor and the photo is that it wasn't groping. Rubbing a lady's titties while she is unconscious is not sexual harassment. It is sexual assault. That is the only reason I bring this up..... not to excuse his stupid action, but to point out that there is a difference between harassment and assault. JFC.... you fuckers kill me sometimes.

Regarding Franken's actions.... or any comedians ..... well not LuisCK.... funny dude..... but masturbating in front of women.... not a good optic.... especially if you look like LuisCK.......

What Sexual Harassment boils down to is this.... Sexual Harassment is in the eyes of the beholder. It is the person that feels harassed that defines what sexual harassment is. Period. Exclamation point.

I don't understand what you knuckleheads don't understand. Harassment can be vague at times.... some will find a joke funny while others will be mortified by it. Personally.... I find the rehearsal way more creepy than the photo. On the other-hand... I have seen obviously shocked guests on SNL getting kissed harder than they thought they were going to be live. Usually though from the girls.

Let's all be clear about something. I took my first sexual harassment training in the mid-nineties. I've been through it several times on both sides of the fence. Kempster is completely right. Hostile Environment Sexual Harassment IS in the eye of the beholder. That's simply a fact. Straight from the training from a fortune-500 company.

This is sample (HR firm randomly found on google search) HR Training:

A refresher lesson

There are two definitions of sexual harassment. The first is the stereotypical definition of sexual harassment. Quid pro quo sexual harassment is that situation where a male boss requires some act of sex in order for her to save her job, get a job, get a pay increase, get a promotion or some other situation where performing the sex act is a requisite part of the employment activity. Just one incident of this is sufficient for someone to claim sexual harassment. Of course in today’s workplace the boss does not always have to be the male nor does the victim have to be female.

The second form of sexual harassment is hostile environment. This is the one that causes more problems for employers. It is not so cut and dried as is quid pro quo. Examples of hostile environment include risqué jokes, sexually oriented cartoons, pictures, websites, comments, looks, overheard conversations and more. What makes this more difficult to deal with is that the sexual harassment is in the “eye of the beholder.” If the person that is exposed to the incidents above is offended then it is considered sexual harassment. Naturally the easiest fix for this is for the offended person to let the other person know that they were offended. If the behavior is not stopped then further steps should be taken.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:46 pm 
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I'd also like to be clear on something else that has came up in comments on my side of the isle. Just because someone uses their sexuality and looks to market themselves, does not mean you have leave to harass them.

They retain the same human rights not to be harasses as any other woman.

Please, do not pull out the "Look at her attire - she asked for it!" card. Leave that to the right, as that's how they roll. I would hope that respect for women is something we would uphold on the left on this board.


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This is interesting.

Here's Tweeden being dry humped by a solider at the event mentioned. Franken is on the left

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Here is the kissing incident she claims traumatized her. Notice her arms around his neck.


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Here's tweeden and Al posing for a picture the same day


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Here's tweeden slapping Robin Williams on the ass and dry humping him

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If Tweeden was asleep in a jump seat, why isn't she strapped in?

Apparently, Meta data on the groping photo also shows it was taken 4 days before Tweeden claims it was taken.

Tweeden is a Trump supporter and a friend of Sean Hannity. She's been on Hannity a few times. Roger Stone knew about this story before it was released.

So something smells bad.

Al Franken wants an investigation into this. Tweeden does not. Why doesn't she?






None of this, of course, gives anyone with right to sexually harass someone else if that's indeed the case. But given the information above, something smells.

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No special rights whatsoever, with regard to taking advantage of someone in this way in a photo.


I'll continue to say that until the cows come marching home.


No person has any right to take advantage of somebody else.

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However, if we are gonna give people the benefit of the doubt, doesn't Al deserve such consideration?


Who here isn't giving him the benefit of the doubt? He copped to what he did and apologized, and she accepted the apology including a personal one to her which she read on television.

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So I don't see the point of defending him. Unless there are Senate hearings on it, the Al thing is pretty much a closed book at this point.

After all, a comedian doing what a comedian does ain't always pretty. Gotta role with the flow in trying to understand the sort of philosophy they are attempting to convey.


Her complaint, and what he apologized for, was not the photo it forced kissing.

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Not take advantage of her? Does that also mean I should not be wanking off to her nude (or nearly nude and obviously sexually provocative) photos in Playboy?


What does that have to do with sexual assaulting the actual person?

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:arrow: Thanks Drak for giving us that look inside Ms Tweeden's adventures. Randi Rhodes did briefly talk about Ms. Tweeden as well, topping it off with a comment to the effect of, "With all of the things Leeann Tweeden has done in her life, the fact that she could get herself upset by Al Franken.........?" :roll: Well apparently she did. Sen. Franken gave a heartfelt apology in a personal letter to her which she promptly ran to "The View" and read it aloud on the the air. It was a beautiful letter and she did accept his apology. I think it's time to move on from this story, because you cannot compare Al Franken with the likes of Donald Trump and Roy Moore. They are sexual predators, Franken is not~

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"The left, blah blah blah, the left, blah blah blah, the left, blah blah blah."

Who else is sick of Glenfs?


I'm not sick of Glen.

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I'm not sick of Glen.

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Franken did cross the line, but there are things to know that glen won't tell you.

1. It's a Roger Stone op from the beginning. OK, OK, Franken did the behavior, before he was a Senator, and with his political ambitions it was not a good idea. There are the usual issues with bad treatment of women in the workplace. But why do you think it came up when it did? All intentional. They needed a distraction, and they got a real good one.

1a. A little too good.

1b. The wrong people knew too much about it before they should have.

1c. The timing is too perfect. Like most Stone ops.


2. Everything you have read about Tweeden is true. Franken's other mistake was to get randy with a conservative. Doesn't she work for Fox now?


3. I find this to be a non-starter as a political scandal. Grounds for an apology, maybe a censure, not much else.

Drumpf's behavior is far more scandalous, and .........

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I don't drink whisky Drak.


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Her complaint, and what he apologized for, was not the photo it forced kissing.


As best I can tell, Al apologized without hesitation or reserve for the photograph, but said he does not recall the rehearsal kiss in the same way that she does. So no, Al has not apologized for the kiss.


With regard to one of Drak's photo captions, I believe Leeann said that on stage, in front of an audience, they performed the kiss in the manner that she thought was appropriate, which was to not actually kiss on the lips; she turned her head slightly so that their lips did not touch.


The much bigger issue with regard to misconduct here is the rehearsal kiss. The photograph was stupid, almost beyond belief, but it does not and should not be allowed to rise to the level of ending Al's political career. A forced kiss is a much higher-level offense than that ridiculous (and basically uninteresting) photograph.


Turning out to be a good discussion; so glad that Leeann started it. And of course, it's almost impossible not to like her screen presence. Sort of hoping that she's able to position herself in such a way that works out well for both her and Al. Looks like she may be trying to do that. We'll see.


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Please see your doctor immediately and either obtain a new medication or have him adjust your current medication dosage.

you are an idiot. are you hungry? eat a dick.

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There are people claiming all of Moore s accusors are Democrats with ties to HRC. I am sure we both agree that those people are idiots.

How is it any less idiotic to bring up her business relationship with Fox.

I am amazed at what I've read here from the left. Everything from she asked for it, to she has nice tits, to she knows Hannity to he didn't really touch her to you can't cop a feel thro,ugh that vest. Which I am pretty sure nobody here would be saying had it been Cruz in the photo.

How about this, Franken screwed up, if there are no more credible accusors give him a letter of censer and move on. If there are more accusations that are as credible as these he needs to step down.

One more thing the next time a rwer is accused how many are going to react the same.

Well... thanks for replying to another of my posts and talking about nothing in it. There is this thing called context. I have never attacked this lady.... yet you keep responding to my posts as if I have. My mention of Roger Stone and her ties with Fox was a hypothetical to you glenn.... to state the fact that Roger Stone was tweeting about Franken being taken down before the story even broke makes lefties leery about what is going on.... I have never attacked this woman, but she did make it seem as if .... had Franken just apologized to her 11 years ago... it would have been all good. Whatever the fuck you are trying to pretzel into my posts... just fucking stop. If you are going to respond to my posts... actually fucking read them.

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you are an idiot. are you hungry? eat a dick.

You definitely have anger issues. Please see a mental health professional ASAP!

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You definitely have anger issues. Please see a mental health professional ASAP!


ike will be the judge of that. eat a bowl of dicks.

all lower-case and serene by the way. just so you know.

over 11,000 posts in 6 years.... but i am the angry guy needing mental health professionals...lol

cheers douchebag

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I'm not sick of Glen.

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Since you've decided to share this tantalyzing little morsel, Sam...who exactly are you sick of? Inquiring minds want to know. All Americans, all across the fruited plain, from sea to shining sea...want to know.

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