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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:09 pm 
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um this POS is, will, kick seniors out of nursing homes and care.
its like they want all the boomers gone. we know history.

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This GOP tax plan provision could be ‘catastrophic’ for seniors--

What is of particular concern for some seniors is that this means they would be losing a deduction that covers payments for nursing homes, assisted living or inpatient hospital care.

Nearly 8.8 million households filed 2015 returns that claimed the medical and dental expenses deduction, according to the IRS.

Warner worries about the financial impact on her 93-year-old mother, who has severe dementia and lives in an assisted-living memory-care facility in Wisconsin. For 2016, Warner said her mother was able to deduct $56,711 in medical expenses, leaving her taxable income of just over $28,000.

“This will be catastrophic for my 90- and 93-year-old parents, who live in assisted living,” wrote Marla Payne Wise from Canton, Ga. “My husband and I also itemize our medical expenses, which will only get higher as we age.”

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No what it will do is require people like Warner's mother to spend all their money on their healthcare then Medicare will take over. As it did for my mother. Once she was destitute Medicare took over. We had to show all of her financial transactions for a three year period and had any red flags popped up they would have required another two years.

As it was me and my brother had to pony up $3,000 that we had spirited from her account. Long story, nothing illegal something we did with the advise of her lawyer.

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No what it will do is require people like Warner's mother to spend all their money on their healthcare then Medicare will take over. As it did for my mother. Once she was destitute Medicare took over. We had to show all of her financial transactions for a three year period and had any red flags popped up they would have required another two years.

As it was me and my brother had to pony up $3,000 that we had spirited from her account. Long story, nothing illegal something we did with the advise of her lawyer.

they want to cut medicaid.

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No what it will do is require people like Warner's mother to spend all their money on their healthcare then Medicare will take over. As it did for my mother. Once she was destitute Medicare took over. We had to show all of her financial transactions for a three year period and had any red flags popped up they would have required another two years.

As it was me and my brother had to pony up $3,000 that we had spirited from her account. Long story, nothing illegal something we did with the advise of her lawyer.

.."No"...is that what you said glen? that you know more than the writers and sources in the article?

the old people Lose the med deduction. how does that help them do anything but become broker
and need more gov help to squat in some shithole nursing home.

what glen is saying is how it is Now. SS Forces the sale of every single thing the old fuck owns
then they will pay some med costs.
what looms is way worse than selling things, it threatens the robbing people of safe housing for their old people.

i guess this is pailins death panels come to fruition.

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why would mccain do this?...

why would he support this bullshit when he didnt before.

he's now going to do down as a shitwad. everytime he gets his name in lights he blows it.
he was good then he picked SPailin. washout.

now he's going this way pending his own demise when youd think he'd rather be remembered
for doing good for the public.

jesus john. what a disappointment. SMH.

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.."No"...is that what you said glen? that you know more than the writers and sources in the article?

the old people Lose the med deduction. how does that help them do anything but become broker
and need more gov help to squat in some shithole nursing home.

what glen is saying is how it is Now. SS Forces the sale of every single thing the old fuck owns
then they will pay some med costs.
what looms is way worse than selling things, it threatens the robbing people of safe housing for their old people.

i guess this is pailins death panels come to fruition.


The home my mom is in is very nice. In fact people in her condition have no clue the difference between her home and a private one. Only those who come to visit notice the differences. This tax bill will not effect people like my mom or others who are currently living in nursing homes that is being paid for by medicare.

It will effect wealthy seniors who live in for profit homes which do not accept medicare patients. Because those people will lose the tax deduction. It demonstrates how the left plays both sides of the fence. The rich need taxed more, rich seniors need to keep their current deduction. But, we need to increase the death tax.

This part of the tax plan is simply being demagauged by those opposed to any reduction in tax rates.

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This bill will trigger a $25 billion tax cut to Medicare with will impact those 65 and over the most. One of the unintended(?) consequences would be the impact to retired military over 65 and are on Tricare for Life. Under Tricare for Life, the military retiree is automatically covered by Medicare Part A and they have to signup for Medicare Part B. Medicare is the first payer for medical services and what's not covered is picked up by Tricare. So if Medicare is cut you could have civilian doctors refusing to accept Medicare patients because they either won't get paid or received reduced rates from Medicare and since the retiree relies on both Medicare and Tricare the doctor may drop Tricare as well. This will affect many retirees who do not live near a military facility and are not eligible to be seen in the VA. For those, like me, who are currently being seen in a military hospital/clinic, we'll still be taken care of but with Medicare cuts Tricare will pickup more of the medical costs meaning their budgets will have to increase to handle the loss of revenue from Medicare.

What I see with this tax bill is this forces more people to purchase more health insurance which is a gift to the health insurance industry. We all know how well the health insurance industry handles legitimate claims.

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glen, you're a conservative, who supposedly is against socialism. You HATE socialism, and use the term to demonize myself and anyone else.

Yet YOU yourself PROFIT from socialism. If you're so anti-socialist, why don't YOU pay for your mother, instead of relying on the government? Put your money where your ideology is.


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But, we need to increase the death tax.


There is no death tax.

All Democrats are proposing is keeping the current estate tax, which is a tax on estates. Perhaps we could call it the Paris Hilton inheritance tax. 95% of the families in this country will never pay it.

Certainly one family that will benefit from its elimination ... when the patriarch croaks, and he's working on it with those Taco bowls ... is the Trumps.

One fella who first proposed the idea for it was this fella Jefferson; something about inherited wealth becoming a new form of American family aristocracy.

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glen, you're a conservative, who supposedly is against socialism. You HATE socialism, and use the term to demonize myself and anyone else.

Yet YOU yourself PROFIT from socialism. If you're so anti-socialist, why don't YOU pay for your mother, instead of relying on the government? Put your money where your ideology is.


Typical ignorant response, my dad paid taxes for decades and now you don't want to provide the services he paid for.

Ok, you believe in global warming, you live in a city with state of he art public transportation. Why do you drive an SUV to work.

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Glen really doesn't know the difference between medicare and medicaid. Yikes.

So when McCain, Collins, Murkowski, Corker and/or Flake all vote yea on the tax bill...we will have some non-arguable evidence that the Republican congressional contingent is at least 95% full of assholes. But we pretty much knew that already. Paul might still vote against it I suppose, but Paul's typical reasons for voting yea or nay on anything make him an automatic asshole.

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There is no death tax.

All Democrats are proposing is keeping the current estate tax, which is a tax on estates. Perhaps we could call it the Paris Hilton inheritance tax. 95% of the families in this country will never pay it.

Certainly one family that will benefit from its elimination ... when the patriarch croaks, and he's working on it with those Taco bowls ... is the Trumps.

One fella who first proposed the idea for it was this fella Jefferson; something about inherited wealth becoming a new form of American family aristocracy.


Are we talking about the same Jefferson that raped his slaves and enslaved his own children.

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Ok, you believe in global warming, you live in a city with state of he art public transportation. Why do you drive an SUV to work.


The true petty shitwad that glen has become, comes creeping out sideways once again.

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Glen really doesn't know the difference between medicare and medicaid. Yikes.

So when McCain, Collins, Murkowski, Corker and/or Flake all vote yea on the tax bill...we will have some non-arguable evidence that the Republican congressional contingent is at least 95% full of assholes. But we pretty much knew that already. Paul might still vote against it I suppose, but Paul's typical reasons for voting yea or nay on anything make him an automatic asshole.


I know th difference I only get the labels confused.

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Are we talking about the same Jefferson that raped his slaves and enslaved his own children.

yeah, amazingly the founders had feet of clay. which means nothing regarding Jefferson's belief in the danger of aristocratic wealth. try applying the same analytic processes to your false god.

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I know th difference I only get the labels confused.


I figured glen. I also figured you would go dead silent regarding my assessment of your Trump enabling Republican political heroes. Every fucking one of them is enabling this deranged animal. You either support such behavior or you don't. And if you really don't, you don't give any of them your support or vote. In this country, in these times it's that simple glen. It's a yes or no situation...and you fucking know it.

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Are we talking about the same Jefferson that raped his slaves and enslaved his own children.


And the same one who wrote the Jefferson Bible, still in the Library of Congress. They were all flawed. That's part of the beauty of the Hamilton musical - they don't hide Alexander Hamilton's numerous flaws, but they also note some aspects of his genius. So it was with most of the Founders.

I can agree with some of his observations on Deism, and on inherited wealth, while not ignoring that he owned slaves.

We are all creatures of our time. Some rise beyond it, some only in some ways. So has been the human journey.

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There were plenty of highly esteemed people on this planet who openly proclaimed the despicable atrocity that is slavery at the time of the founding. The founders conveniently ignored it...they had more important things on their minds.

Trump voters are products of their time...which doesn't make them any less the assholes they are.

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I figured glen. I also figured you would go dead silent regarding my assessment of your Trump enabling Republican political heroes. Every fucking one of them is enabling this deranged animal. You either support such behavior or you don't. And if you really don't, you don't give any of them your support or vote. In this country, in these times it's that simple glen. It's a yes or no situation...and you fucking know it.


I am doing the exact same thing Democratic Party supporters did during the era when they were going through what the GOP is going through today. I am pretty sure that if you were politically active during those years you still voted for the Democrat and still supported the Democratic Party.

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The true petty shitwad that glen has become, comes creeping out sideways once again.


At least I don't listen to political talk radio shows about global warming while driving my SUV to work. Especially considering you could easily be riding public transportation.

Why aren't you leaving your gas guzzling ozone killing SUV at work and riding public transportation? That way if you needed to use it, it would be there. You say you care about the environment when in reality you are one of those not in my backyard people.

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At least I don't listen to political talk radio shows about global warming while driving my SUV to work. Especially considering you could easily be riding public transportation.

Why aren't you leaving your gas guzzling ozone killing SUV at work and riding public transportation? That way if you needed to use it, it would be there. You say you care about the environment when in reality you are one of those not in my backyard people.

STFU glen. You, of all people shouldn't talk about others listening to talk radio shows when you claim you don't listen to conservative talk and then parrot exactly what they're saying. You've been caught and called out on that numerous times.

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I am doing the exact same thing Democratic Party supporters did during the era when they were going through what the GOP is going through today. I am pretty sure that if you were politically active during those years you still voted for the Democrat and still supported the Democratic Party.

What era was that, Glen? Oh, you mean the Jefferson Finis Davis era?


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At least I don't listen to political talk radio shows about global warming while driving my SUV to work. Especially considering you could easily be riding public transportation.

Why aren't you leaving your gas guzzling ozone killing SUV at work and riding public transportation? That way if you needed to use it, it would be there. You say you care about the environment when in reality you are one of those not in my backyard people.


Glen, what happened? You sound like me.

Some ground truth though. Rail lines exist in L.A. now, but they don't go a lot of places. This isn't Manhattan. You don't walk to a subway, get off, walk a few more blocks, and you're there. Some people bike it to the station, take the bike on the train, and bike the rest of the way to work. Fine, and a way to get your exercise in, but I would hate to do that on L.A.'s ever increasing number of 96 degree days that now come pretty much year round.

I gave up trying to understand the SUV thing. The cliche of liberal environmentalists driving around in them is just that, a cliche, but it's more common than it should be.

I get it that they replaced station wagons for family transportation, and that some people actually do drive them to places where the high ground clearance is nice. Personally, I prefer vehicles which get pushed down harder onto the road at speed over ones that become lifting bodies, but that's just me.

What I don't get is this idea that if the Little Woman drives to the store in the thing she's better protected in a crash. She is, until the thing rolls over, which big high square vehicles love to do. Also, the final consequence of that logic would be the crowded streets of L.A. filled with armored assault vehicles.

In any event, we're back in a place in L.A. where everyone's gotta have one, unless they want a full sized crew cab pickup that would be perfect for Idaho, but rather silly here unless you have a lot of construction stuff to haul around. That will last until the next oil war. One more reason to hate L.A..

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Typical ignorant response, my dad paid taxes for decades and now you don't want to provide the services he paid for.

Nope, I'm not the one against "socialist" Medicare and Social Security. I want to STRENGTHEN them, not destroy them as you do.

You hate it, but you're the first "pig at the trough". You'll use that Medicare, too, and cash that Social Security check.

If you guys believed in what you say, you'll have pulled yourself up by your bootstraps, paid for you mom's care and support, paid for your kid's college, and planned for your own retirement, never accepting the place at the government teat.
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Ok, you believe in global warming, you live in a city with state of he art public transportation. Why do you drive an SUV to work.

Easy, I live in the suburbs, and work in the suburbs, without a public transport way to work. I do use the Metro when going downtown. Parking's a bitch. Plus, I enjoy it.

If you ever spent time in an eastern downtown area, you'd know it couldn't work at all without public transport. Metros and subways are great. Oh, and to be exact, I drive a crossover, not an SUV.


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Nope, I'm not the one against "socialist" Medicare and Social Security. I want to STRENGTHEN them, not destroy them as you do.

You hate it, but you're the first "pig at the trough". You'll use that Medicare, too, and cash that Social Security check.

If you guys believed in what you say, you'll have pulled yourself up by your bootstraps, paid for you mom's care and support, paid for your kid's college, and planned for your own retirement, never accepting the place at the government teat.

Easy, I live in the suburbs, and work in the suburbs, without a public transport way to work. I do use the Metro when going downtown. Parking's a bitch. Plus, I enjoy it.

If you ever spent time in an eastern downtown area, you'd know it couldn't work at all without public transport. Metros and subways are great. Oh, and to be exact, I drive a crossover, not an SUV.


Give me all the money my dad paid in plus the interest he would have earned had it been invested in the DJIA. Along with all money I have paid in with the same interest and we would have plenty to take cae of mother and retirement.

You slay me with that line of total and ignorant bullshit. Believing that I got them now when you don't have shit. According to your left wing logic if a person is opposed to one social program or the expansion of one program then unless they are against all social programs they are a hypocrite.

Meaning that you must be in favor of every social welfare program and not opposed to the expansion of any social welfare program. Personally I like living in a country with reasonable social programs but, am opposed to living in a country with socialist styled programs.

Those that you support and want to see.

Free housing
Free income
Free medical
Free internet
Free phone
Free transportation
Free food
Free college
Free water
Free electricty
Free cable tv

With of course "Free" meaning being paid for by somebody else. Even when the person recieving all the free things is abled bodied and able to work and provide for themselves and family.

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