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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:21 pm 
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What. Nobody else wants to post about the porn star? OK, if I gotta be the first, I will.

Don't ask me if I've ever seen her in a porn film. 5th amendment, and all that.

You know, I don't know the significance of this, ultimately. If Trump had an affair with a porn star that was consensual, maybe his wife Melania should be concerned (this allegedly occurred one year after they married), but it's none of my business, and I really couldn't care one whit. (I do about non-consensual assault.) Obviously, it might matter to his evangelical base - or maybe not, see: Roy Moore.

Two interesting aspects to this: IF there was a payment of hush money, well ... then Trump could be worrying about blackmail, after all (see: kompromat). We should note, "Stormy Daniels" (not her real name, just her nom de adventure) is denying it ... BUT of course, legally, she might HAVE to do so if such an agreement were in place.

Second aspect: the National Enquirer seems to have decided to spike both her story and another Playboy model who has similar allegations. Now, this again raises the interesting question of whether the editor of the National Enquirer is also in bed with Trump - metaphorically speaking, of course. It's very rare the National Enquirer ever holds back on stories like this.... whether true or not.

WHO IS STORMY DANIELS? TRUMP PAID FORMER PORN STAR STEPHANIE CLIFFORD $130K TO KEEP QUIET
http://www.newsweek.com/who-stormy-dani ... eep-780251

Donald Trump had his lawyer arrange a payment of $130,000 to a woman known as Stormy Daniels just one month before the 2016 election, according to The Wall Street Journal.

Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, is a former adult-film star who allegedly had a sexual encounter with Trump. Clifford and Trump’s attorney Michael Cohen—a former attorney for the Trump Organization—arranged the $130,000 along with a nondisclosure agreement.

Clifford claims the sexual encounter with Trump occurred in 2006 after a Lake Tahoe celebrity golf tournament. Donald and Melania Trump were married in 2005.

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Clifford would not be Trump’s first alleged encounter with a female porn star. In a 2016 news conference, adult-film star Jessica Drake claimed that Trump kissed her and two other women without their consent at the same golf event that same year. He offered $10,000 and his private jet for a sexual encounter, according to Drake.

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I will point out Michael Cohen, Trump's attorney, has produced a letter signed by her, as "Stormy Daniels," denying everything.

But, it's weird, Ari Melber asked about the legal validity of that. It would be kind of like Sean Connery signing a letter of denial as "James Bond" ... that's not his real name.

Drake, the other porn star, is claiming assault.

The other Playboy model around whom there are consensual affair allegations, I don't think, has been named.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:27 pm 
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I'd believe a porn star before I'd believe Donald Trump.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 12, 2018 8:33 pm 
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Found the Playboy model's name. Now, BTW, again, what I find interesting is the National Enquirer deliberately spiked her story, too. And I know it can't be because of a sudden onset of journalistic integrity, because the National Enquirer never had any.

Yes folks. I'm posting from People magazine.

National Enquirer Paid to Kill Story of Playboy Model's Affair with Donald Trump
http://people.com/politics/donald-trump ... -enquirer/

A new report claims that owners of the tabloid newspaper National Enquirer paid a former Playboy model $150,000 in order to kill her story about an affair she had with Donald Trump.

Karen McDougal, the magazine’s Playmate of the Year for 1998, claimed to friends that she had a consensual romantic relationship with the 70-year-old businessman in 2006 — while he was married to his current wife Melania, according to the Wall Street Journal.

The affair lasted between 10 months to a year — and included a trip to the 2006 Miss Universe pageant where she was seated in the front row, her friend told the Journal.

She and American Media Inc. — the Enquirer‘s parent company — reportedly reached an agreement in early August for what she thought would be a exposé on their alleged affair, according to a contract obtained by the the Journal. But the Enquirer pulled what is known in the industry as a “catch and kill” on the story – buying the rights to the McDougal’s story forever without obliging to publish it, according to the Journal.

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Now again, I will point out to me the most interesting aspect of this. Not that Trump is having affairs. I mean, crap, he's bragged about it in his books. That's not news.

It's that again there's hush money here - could the Russians know about this as a source of kompromat? - and what I find more fascinating is that the AMI/Nat'l Enquirer is the one paying the hush money, not Trump himself.

And come on. When on Earth do tabloid papers pay people NOT to tell salacious stories?

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This seems to be one of those deals where the left will believe every word and the right hope it isn't true. Sort of like so many Bill Clinton stories.

Personally I have no idea but, I would be very surprised if it were true. Not that I believe Trump is some paragon of virtue as I firmly believe he has cheated on all of his wives and his mistresses for that matter.

It is just he is allegedly a germ-a-phobe which if true would probably keep him away from porn stars and I believe he is to cheap to pay 130k. The figure seems odd and a little high. I would not be surprised to learn in the future that the Trump Team were planting fake stories in an effort to discredit those with real stories.

Finally, assuming that Trump has had relations with maybe 100 women in his life why would he need to pay one off from over 10 years ago. Currently the story doesn't pas the smell test and again if it isn't true I will firmly believe it was planted by the Trump Team.

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His germaphobia hasn't prevented him from pursuing sex any and everywhere. I don't know. The article states the porn star denies this. Of course, according to the article, she got paid off, and I'm sure part of that would be to never confirm it happened.

So I don't know, and it doesn't matter. But glen will believe anything, no matter how outlandish, about the Clintons, but will immediately say he doesn't believe allegations about Trump.

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I certainly agree I would be very cautious of these being stories planted by his people themselves. After all, they only allege consensual affairs, and it's not like Trump hasn't bragged about others. Maybe throw out something as a media snack to get them to stop focusing on racist remarks.

So I will muse over one question. Assuming there was hush money in one or both of these cases, it could be that something Trump doesn't want to come out might be fairly unusual or kinky sexual activities.

I'm thinking Watersports.

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'nuff said.

(Other thought is Louis CK-type activities. Like, you do that over there, and I'll watch over here and uh, spank the monkey. Germaphobes might do that.)

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His germaphobia hasn't prevented him from pursuing sex any and everywhere. I don't know. The article states the porn star denies this. Of course, according to the article, she got paid off, and I'm sure part of that would be to never confirm it happened.

So I don't know, and it doesn't matter. But glen will believe anything, no matter how outlandish, about the Clintons, but will immediately say he doesn't believe allegations about Trump.

Just the norm from glen.


I will not be surprised if we learn it is 100% true. as I am sure Trump has no morals that would prevent him from doing so.

As for your Clinton comment, couldn't you flip that and find the same to be true of you along with many others here?

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I will not be surprised if we learn it is 100% true. as I am sure Trump has no morals that would prevent him from doing so.

As for your Clinton comment, couldn't you flip that and find the same to be true of you along with many others here?

Nope. I deal in facts. You deal in innuendo. If someone told you the Clintons had 20 babies for breakfast you'd believe it.

BTW, this story is by the Wall Street Journal.


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I have no doubts Bill Clinton has had sex with women other than his wife. That's pretty certain.

I have my doubts about certain women, like Gennifer Flowers or Paula Jones, but given that Hillary Clinton has basically said directly this was a problem in their marriage (without naming names) kind of settles the question.

Also, BTW, it is kind of in a certain several hundred page report that he stuck a cigar up a intern and received fellatio from her - she herself said that was consensual, that she was in love with him, and that nothing beyond that ever happened.

As for the two women alleging rape, I've discussed this enough times that I won't bother to do so again. Just see previous remarks.

BTW2, the one thing Bill Clinton never did is write a book bragging about these affairs, even if he had them.

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Nope. I deal in facts. You deal in innuendo. If someone told you the Clintons had 20 babies for breakfast you'd believe it.

BTW, this story is by the Wall Street Journal.


Clinton couldn't father 20 babies because childhood mumps left him sterile. :P According to "news reports"

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prezgroper is a watcher. he's a germaphobe, he wouldnt touch those women.
he'd pay them instead to entertain him.
its like the pee tape thing...shoot whats that called?..someone named it, icr.

groper pays these women to not talk not say that he is a watcher and cant get it up.

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A second Adult Film Actress is providing confirmation of a liason between 45 and Stormy Daniels.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/porn-star ... hotel-room.

According Alana Evans, Daniels invited her to join her and 45 in a hotel room. Evans eventually backed out.

A second source, independent of the original source confirms the story.

We know that 45 is a serial Womanizer. We know that 45 fucked around on each of his wives and when he boasted about grabbing Women by their Genitals, Melania was pregnant with Baron.

We know that said that he once tried to seduce another unnamed Married Woman, "I moved on her like a bitch."

We know that 45 boasted of walking into the dressing rooms of beauty pagents where girls, some as young as 14 or 15-Years Old were either naked or undressed.

We know that 45 perved out on a 10-Year Old Girl.

45 has a history of objectifying Women and he is a Misogynist.

This story just might have legs.

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prezgroper is a watcher. he's a germaphobe, he wouldnt touch those women.
he'd pay them instead to entertain him.
its like the pee tape thing...shoot whats that called?..someone named it, icr.

groper pays these women to not talk not say that he is a watcher and cant get it up.


Golden shower.

The National Enquirer is definitely in the tank for drumpf, and basically his version of Pravda. I forgot why this is, but it has something to do with the old-boy network and the publisher's relationship to drumpf.

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Today I saw on drudge a report that the trump campaign paid off 100s of women. Something I tend to believe. We also now have a second porn star making claims which makes the original report more believable. Because if you are wealthy and into that sort of thing there will be multiple women involved.

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I find it VERY interesting that this story came from the Murdoch-owned Wall Street Journal, not a normal outlet for gotcha tabloid news.

It may be that Steve Bannon is behind this story. He's got the connections there, and I don't believe he will take the destruction of his career lying down. Bannon feel he is an historical game-changing character, and since Trump took away everything he has, I can see him being every bit as petty and vindictive as Trump.

Maybe this is just the first salvo of leaked incriminating evidence against Trump, to be topped off by cooperating with Mueller against Trump. He knows all the Trump dirt. Why wouldn't he do his damnedest to take him down, cementing a place in history?


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Excuse the double negative, but I would NOT NOT believe these stories because of the alleged "germophobia" (Mysophobia). Drumpf has fathered three children we know of, and I doubt he used a turkey baster. Germaphobia can manifest in many different ways. It's a mental issue and not based on logic.

"Trump, after all, does not shy away from every form of touch, even with strangers. “I’d kiss babies, well, kissing babies isn’t so bad,” Trump told Dateline NBC reporter Stone Phillips in 1999 about a then-hypothetical presidential run. 'I’d much rather do that than shake hands.'"

So maybe he is more concerned with his little hands than his little penis, e.g. :)

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OK. Well, proof he isn't using "logic" is - supposedly, if we go by the Wolff book, and I don't know that this detail has been disproved -- he said he eats fast food because he's worried about being poisoned.

Anybody who believes fast food cannot be tampered with does not seem to know what goes on in the back of a McDonald's. You might not want to know what they're doing to your milkshakes.

Now, I doubt they're poisoning them, but there's some other gross stuff they are doing, and laughing about it the whole time. I mean, they even made this the basis of a Beavis & Butthead episode.

And if you think you're not being exposed to germs in your Big Mac -- well again, my guess is Trump has never seen the back of house in a Mickey D's. And might not want to. You could start with following the cockroach trails, but again, maybe you don't want to.

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Excuse the double negative, but I would NOT NOT believe these stories because of the alleged "germophobia" (Mysophobia). Drumpf has fathered three children we know of, and I doubt he used a turkey baster. Germaphobia can manifest in many different ways. It's a mental issue and not based on logic.

"Trump, after all, does not shy away from every form of touch, even with strangers. “I’d kiss babies, well, kissing babies isn’t so bad,” Trump told Dateline NBC reporter Stone Phillips in 1999 about a then-hypothetical presidential run. 'I’d much rather do that than shake hands.'"

So maybe he is more concerned with his little hands than his little penis, e.g. :)

And yet, Trump said in the infamous [i]Access Hollywood" tapes:
"I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."

"Grab ’em by the pussy."

It would appear Trump's germaphobia is selective.

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And yet, Trump said in the infamous [i]Access Hollywood" tapes:
"I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything."

"Grab ’em by the pussy."

It would appear Trump's germaphobia is selective.

Exactly, and like most people, his phobia is unique to him. I have a fear of heights, but have no trouble flying, even in a single engine plane, and can climb the Astoria column without a worry, but the idea of being on a scaffold on the side of a building, scares the crap out of me.

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they will probly do pretty well from the name recognition created from this, lot of new people will look them up go to their sites.

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We report, you decide ... or not, as the case may be.

Fox News shelved story on Trump and porn actress Stormy Daniels before election
http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/16/media/f ... index.html

Fox News had a story at the height of the presidential election that detailed an alleged sexual relationship between porn actress Stephanie Clifford -- whose stage name is "Stormy Daniels" -- and Donald Trump, but opted not to publish it, four people familiar with the matter told CNN.

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One of the network's reporters, Diana Falzone, had filed a story in October 2016 about an alleged sexual relationship between Clifford and Trump, people familiar with the matter said.
Falzone had an on-the-record statement from Clifford's manager at the time, Gina Rodriguez, confirming that her client had engaged in a sexual relationship with Trump, three of these people said, and Falzone had even seen emails about a settlement.


But the story never saw the light of the day, to the frustration of Falzone, two of the people said.
"She had the story and Fox killed it," one of the people familiar with the matter told CNN.


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ABC's "Good Morning America" was talking with Clifford about a possible interview regarding Trump, two people familiar with the matter told CNN last week.
Additionally, Slate and The Daily Beast have both said they had been in communication with Daniels about a possible story in the weeks leading up to the election.


Jacob Weisberg, editor-in-chief of the Slate Group, wrote in an article published Tuesday that he had communicated with Daniels and had a copy of an unsigned settlement agreement. Daniels, however, ultimately "stopped responding to calls and text messages," he said. Weisberg wrote that he "considered publishing the story without her cooperation," but that he knew it was possible Daniels could "disavow" what she told him and that he "lacked independent corroboration."

The Daily Beast said in an article published Friday that it had been in talks for an interview with Clifford before the election, and that it had three sources talking about the relationship between Clifford and Trump, but that she had backed out of an interview not long before Election Day.

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Again, there seems to be a decent amount of corroboration for this story. At this point, there's four women - Daniels/Clifford, Alana Evans, another porn star who says Trump asked her to be part of a threesome with Daniels, Jessica Drake, who says she was harassed by Trump, and the Playboy Model whose story the Nat'l Enquirer spiked.

I think the real significance of this story lies in two things: a) Steele told the FBI he was worried about Trump being blackmailed. Well, people paying hush money can be blackmailed. b) I think the stories of Trump cavorting with prostitutes in Russia don't seem, at this point, so unlikely. (Though to be clear, porn stars are not prostitutes. Though both are sex workers.)

Finally, let's say MSNBC had killed a story about a Hillary Clinton affair weeks before the election. Do you not think the RW would be baying for the moon at this point?

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sounds like at least one female was receiving new payments.

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Yesterday on Stern they confirmed that years before Trump ever became a candidate Porn Actress Stormy Daniels wanted to come on air and talk about having had sex with Trump. They declined, mainly because Trump was a regular guest and they didn't want to lose him for a one time spot with a porn star. For those who don't know the Stern show saves and archives everything they do in unbelievable detail. So there is no lack of credibility on their part when they make such a claim.

Bottomline Trump guilty of messing with porn stars as for paying them off no proof yet. Other than Trump has no credibility, is a known liar and deserves little to no benefit of the doubt.

Which is the real story here. We have a President whose word is worth less than a porn actress.

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This seems to be one of those deals where the left will believe every word and the right hope it isn't true. Sort of like so many Bill Clinton stories.


Sort of like so many times you act like an asshole bringing Bill Clinton into the discussion. He's not the fucking President glen. And if all the women who accused Bill of being anything other than a horny teenager who took advantage of his position to get some trim on the side (particularly from Kathleen Willey who chased him all over DC according to Linda Tripp's testimony), actually had any evidence that they were raped, Bill would be getting out of prison about now.

What's the fucking deal with you assholes and Bill Clinton, anyway? JFK made Bill look like a rank amateur when it came to using his office to get laid. Got a problem with JFK, glen? Fuck no. Just STFU about Bill Clinton.

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WHO IS STORMY DANIELS? TRUMP PAID FORMER PORN STAR STEPHANIE CLIFFORD $130K TO KEEP QUIET


So I saw this photo of Stormy on Facebook yesterday. And it all makes sense. She's a plastic Barbie...goes right along with the White House full of plastic Barbie's that Donald obviously prefers to have hanging around.

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