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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:35 pm 
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You are off topic glen. This thread is about the state of the Republican Party in California.

You are reported for attempting to hijack this thread.



Imagine that you reporting me....sigh, I am responding to other peoples posts.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:36 pm 
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You sir are not even close to being a moderate. It is laughable that you consider yourself to be one. If you were a moderate then there would be some conservative positions which you would at least partly agree with. Not only is there not a conservative idea you even partially agree with, if you could name a moderate position it would be some thing so obscure that it would be meaningless. The same way you claim to like or respect certain members of the GOP. All of which are long dead.

Again, you don't know what a moderate is. You don't know what the far-left is.

But for one thing, I am to the right of Bernie Sanders.

You keep making up my positions, and lying about them. But then, I'm not surprised. You're a conservative.

Conservative ideas? I'm far closer to a 1960 Republican Platform than you are. You're the one that's betrayed true conservative values.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:37 pm 
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Not if I supported NAZI principles the way you and the rest of the left support so many socialist ones. Can you name one Nazi principle that I support? Of course not, but if I had the time I can name ten socialist principles that you support.


Off Topic. This thread is NOT about Nazi's, Communists or Socialists. It is about Democratic Challengers to Republican Office holders in the State of California.

Stop trying to hijack this thread.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:41 pm 
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This thread IS NOT ABOUT COMMUNISTS, NAZI'S OR SOCIALISTS.

This thread is about Challgeners to Republican Office holders in the State of California.

glen is attempting to hijack this thread.

As OP, I would ask members to not allow glen to hijack this thread.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:43 pm 
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Imagine that you reporting me....sigh, I am responding to other peoples posts.


YOU ARE OFF TOPIC GLEN.

YOU INJECTED COMMUNISTS AND "EXTREME LEADERSHIP" INTO THIS THREAD. YOU ARE BAITING OTHER MEMBERS.

YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO HIJACK THIS THREAD.

REPORTED AS A PERSONAL ATTACK.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:46 pm 
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YOU ARE OFF TOPIC GLEN.

YOU INJECTED COMMUNISTS AND "EXTREME LEADERSHIP" INTO THIS THREAD. YOU ARE BAITING OTHER MEMBERS.

YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO HIJACK THIS THREAD.

REPORTED AS A PERSONAL ATTACK.


No I didn't and I never had any personal attack. In fact I stated that my district would have a Democrat if not for the DNC. But, you go ahead and report it as I am sure you are also reporting all of the other personal attacks we read on this site directed at me and others on a daily basis. I suggest you look at what is being said at Samlefthand as an example.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:47 pm 
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> moderates are challenging GOP incumbents all over CA

Get the mofos. Every last one of them. Even in rich Republican districts. Make them blow a fortune hanging onto safe seats. Flip the flippable seats. Do a Calexit without the hard parts. Send a united blue delegation to the House.


> Glen's socialist thing

I've given up. He can't get past Bernie being a self-identified socialist. That makes everyone left of DiFi a wild-eyed Bolshevik wearing a black robe and carrying that silly looking little black bomb. It's a mental block placed there by unscrupulous radio talk show hosts.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:55 pm 
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Republicans are doing everything they can to destroy both the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act.

You know, to MAGA.


:arrow: Republicans are so afraid of this country becoming less White so they do will do whatever despicable thing they can to insure that doesn't happen. Frankly, I guess nobody told them that this Hemisphere was not a naturally White Hemisphere to begin with.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 3:57 pm 
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There are many Democrats running in GOP districts and states running as moderates, most are going to win. It will be interesting to see how the Democratic Party Extreme Left Wing Leadership responds and if or how they strike a balance between moderates holding office and those same moderates being able to balance the extreme positions of DNC leadership and those sane moderate democrats.


:arrow: Not necessarily.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:01 pm 
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Now back to the subject of this thread.

The current state of Republican Party in California post 45 can be best described as non-existent. Attacks on Undocumented Works, assaults on Religious Freedom and Marriage Equality have cost Republicans greatly in this state.

One office I did not mention was the Superintendent of Public Instruction for Califorina. This office is by definition non-partisan. Though Delaine Easton is a Democrat.

The last Republican Governor of California was Schwarzenegger, who took money from Public Education with a promise to repay it but did not.

The last Republican Lieutenant Governor was Able Maldonado, a Republican. He championed top tier voting. He lost his election bid.

The Republican Congressman being challenged in California have an uphill battle. 45 has hurt the party no end, even the very Conservative Central Valley.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:02 pm 
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Arnold the tough guy also got his ass kicked by a bunch of nurses.

Glad to see that California has come to it's senses. On the road to recovery.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:03 pm 
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:arrow: Not necessarily.


The ridiculous Top Tier Voting System we have will have a very dramatic effect on the June Primary and the November Election.

It will take at least two or three more voting cycles for it die the death it deserves.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:04 pm 
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Arnold the tough guy also got his ass kicked by a bunch of nurses.

Glad to see that California has come to it's senses. On the road to recovery.


We are the 6th. Largest Economy in the world. Right up there with....wait for it....France.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 4:50 pm 
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Voting patterns are continuing to shift. Just as the demographics of Voters are changing. This is what Republicans cannot and/or will not accept.

The Rich White Over 65 Conservative is a dying (literally) breed of voter. Rather than try to adapt and change, Repubicans are doubling down.

There was a Candidates Forum for the Men (all Men at this point) running for Governor. There two Republicans and they each talked about the need for "The Wall" and how undocumented workers are the threat to our society.

The front runner for Governor is Democrat Gavin Newsome, who is currently serving as Lieutenant Governor.

The talk of "The Wall" hurts Republicans because of the Undocumented Workers who are vital the Agriculture of our State.

Republicans continue to shoot themselves in their ass. Who'd of have thunk it?

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The ridiculous Top Tier Voting System we have will have a very dramatic effect on the June Primary and the November Election.

It will take at least two or three more voting cycles for it die the death it deserves.


:arrow: It is a ridiculous system.

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Voting patterns are continuing to shift. Just as the demographics of Voters are changing. This is what Republicans cannot and/or will not accept.

The Rich White Over 65 Conservative is a dying (literally) breed of voter. Rather than try to adapt and change, Repubicans are doubling down.

There was a Candidates Forum for the Men (all Men at this point) running for Governor. There two Republicans and they each talked about the need for "The Wall" and how undocumented workers are the threat to our society.

The front runner for Governor is Democrat Gavin Newsome, who is currently serving as Lieutenant Governor.

The talk of "The Wall" hurts Republicans because of the Undocumented Workers who are vital the Agriculture of our State.

Republicans continue to shoot themselves in their ass. Who'd of have thunk it?


:arrow: I heard on MSNBC I think it was , that Darrell Issa was was thinking about running in the district next to his which is currently held by fellow Republican Duncan Hunter. Is this true? He thinks he may have a better chance since Hunter is involved in a campaign finance scandal.

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:arrow: It is a ridiculous system.


The original bill could not get onto the floor for a vote, neither party wanted it. Maldonado pushed for it to become a Propostition. His support for the measure cost him his shot at being elected Lieuteant Governor. He was apointed by The Governator to replace John Garamendi (Democrat) after Garamendi won the election to take over seat held by Ellen Tauscher (Democrat) who in 2009 was appointed Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and Internatioinal Security Affairs by President Obama.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:05 pm 
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:arrow: I heard on MSNBC I think it was , that Darrell Issa was was thinking about running in the district next to his which is currently held by fellow Republican Duncan Hunter. Is this true? He thinks he may have a better chance since Hunter is involved in a campaign finance scandal.


That depends upon who you talk to. Hunter is not exactly well liked in his home district and Issa would be Carpet Bagger. Hunter is also on the Democrats list of Republicans they want to take down. Replacing one hated Republican with another hated Republican could end up with no Republican at all (which I would not mind at all).

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 5:18 pm 
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Once again, just on a point of clarity, although Bernie Sanders calls himself a socialist, he is really a Social Democrat.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Social democracy is a political, social and economic ideology that supports economic and social interventions to promote social justice within the framework of a liberal-democratic polity and capitalist economy, as well as a policy regime involving a commitment to representative and participatory democracy, measures for income redistribution and regulation of the economy in the general interest and welfare state provisions.[1][2][3] Social democracy thus aims to create the conditions for capitalism to lead to greater democratic, egalitarian and solidaristic outcomes; and is often associated with the set of socioeconomic policies that became prominent in Northern and Western Europe—particularly the Nordic model in the Nordic countries—during the latter half of the 20th century.

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Norway is also a social democracy, as are many European countries. In theory, the U.S. has some aspects of one, but I would say these European countries are further on the continuum. ;)

A true socialist country would abolish capitalism, private ownership of businesses, and possibly also private property - although there were debates about that in China, Vietnam, etc.

The furthest left people in the Democratic party are advocating more European/Scandinavian style social democracy here in the U.S., not for socialism.

I'm not a political scientist, but we do have them at my university, and it pisses people off when they misuse various terms in the field. ;)

If you spend your life comparing political systems, the accuracy of the terminology is no more subjective than in any other area.

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That depends upon who you talk to. Hunter is not exactly well liked in his home district and Issa would be Carpet Bagger. Hunter is also on the Democrats list of Republicans they want to take down. Replacing one hated Republican with another hated Republican could end up with no Republican at all (which I would not mind at all).

Hunter won his seat with 63% of the vote in 2016. If he isn't indicted chances are he'll be reelected. His district is 42% republican compared to 27% Democratic, 24% Decline to State (independent), with the remaining 7% split among minor parties. His district takes in most of the territory east of the mountains where the residents tend to be very conservative. When I say very conservative, let me give you an example. In 2007, San Diego had huge wildfires that killed three people and destroyed over 2,000 buildings. A county-wide ballot measure was put to the voters to raise property taxes by $52 a year to improve wildfire prevention and firefighting capabilities. Because it was a tax it required a 2/3rds majority to pass but it got only 63.58% with the rural areas, which Hunter represents, voting against it. People within the city of San Diego and other cities along the coast who had little danger of wildfires voted overwhelmingly for it. Since then, I've said screw them. If I and the majority of the county residents were willing to help them by paying out of our pocket and they bite our hands because they don't want a tax increase then they can pay for the protection themselves.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 15, 2018 6:15 pm 
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Polling on Hunter blows hot and cold. Right now, he is not high on anyone's list. Giving the seat Issa does not promise that it will stay Republican. Hunter has no reason to give up the seat, unless he see's what is coming at him.

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Polling on Hunter blows hot and cold. Right now, he is not high on anyone's list. Giving the seat Issa does not promise that it will stay Republica. Hunter has no reason to give up the seat, unless he see's what is coming at him.

I think the only way Hunter gives up the seat is if he is indicted and even that's not guaranteed. If Hunter doesn't run and Issa moves into Hunter's district then most likely Issa will run. However, that doesn't mean Issa won't have a primary fight on his hands. During 2017, Issa began to slowly moderate his statements trying to make himself more appealing to the moderate and independent voters but obviously that didn't work which is why he's retiring. The voters in the 50th District will look at his moderated statements as being too liberal and they might choose someone else.

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I think the only way Hunter gives up the seat is if he is indicted and even that's not guaranteed. If Hunter doesn't run and Issa moves into Hunter's district then most likely Issa will run. However, that doesn't mean Issa won't have a primary fight on his hands. During 2017, Issa began to slowly moderate his statements trying to make himself more appealing to the moderate and independent voters but obviously that didn't work which is why he's retiring. The voters in the 50th District will look at his moderated statements as being too liberal and they might choose someone else.


In the top tier system, the top two vote getters go on to the November Election. IF Issa wins June Primary, he could very face another Republican in the General.

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In the top tier system, the top two vote getters go on to the November Election. IF Issa wins June Primary, he could very face another Republican in the General.

You are correct. The conflict between Issa and a more right-winger would carryover into the general election but the results would be a republican win. We could take some condolence the republican would be as rare as a Condor in California.

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You are correct. The conflict between Issa and a more right-winger would carryover into the general election but the results would be a republican win. We could take some condolence the republican would be as rare as a Condor in California.


The difference being that the Condor serves a useful purpose.

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