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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:34 pm 
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This deserves it's own thread you're up first tonight Miami.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:40 pm 
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It's probably a bit too early to start having debates but this is an opportunity for the lesser known candidates to get public face time and appeal for campaign contributions.

It'll be interesting to see if any of the lesser known candidates decided to go rogue and start attacking the better known candidates so they'll generate news coverage (any coverage is good coverage mentality) or rather they'll take the high road and act civil with the other candidates.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:34 am 
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2020 Democratic Presidential Candidate Debate Night 1 Winners - Warren, Castro, Booker, DeBlasio

Losers - O'Rourke, Ryan, NBC Mods, NBC Tech


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:43 pm 
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De Blasio got a lot of negative responses on twitter. Say, shouldn't he be more interested in fixing the subway?

Chuck Todd is either an imbecile or a plant. Either definition of "plant" will serve.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:10 pm 
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:roll: :roll: :roll:

Drudge instant poll shows Gabbard winning first Democratic debate in landslide - Hill

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:42 pm 
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She's really popular with the alt right. That bothers me. Don't know why it doesn't bother her other handful of fans on the left. :D

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The internet far-right thinks Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard stole the show during Wednesday’s Democratic presidential debate.

High-profile right-wing and alt-right internet trolls like Jack Posobiec, fellow Pizzagater Mike Cernovich, and Infowars‘ Paul Joseph Watson praised Gabbard on Twitter for her performance alongside nine other candidates on the Miami stage.

Users on 4chan affectionately referred to Gabbard as “mommy.”

Cernovich called Gabbard the “breakthrough star of the night,” while Posobiec retweeted a post calling for “a movement to push Trump to hire Tulsi Gabbard as Secretary of State.” (Documents leaked this week show that Gabbard, who served in Iraq, was considered by the Trump transition as a possible Secretary of Veterans Affairs.)

A flash poll posted by the right-leaning Drudge Report marked Gabbard as the winner. While such surveys are statistically meaningless, the morning after the debate Watson tweeted, referencing the poll: “Leftists are FURIOUS Tulsi Gabbard won the debate. She was the only authentic person on that stage. What does that tell you? #Drudge”.

Users on the notoriously racist and sexist message boards 8chan and 4chan, which both serve as internet hubs for far-right trolls, voiced their support for Gabbard on debate night. In 8chan’s overall discussion thread for the event, Gabbard was mentioned far more than any other candidate. Users on 4chan also made several discussion threads dedicated to Gabbard’s night at the debate, affectionately referring to her as “mommy.”

Such support for Gabbard isn’t entirely surprising. Since January, when Gabbard announced her campaign, elements of conservative media and the far right have been receptive to the Hawaii politician and aspects of her record, especially in foreign policy, that don’t track neatly with normal progressive or Democratic policy positions. Some internet right-wingers who also feel like their politics don’t match well with most candidates, even Republicans, have felt a common cause.

Trolls have been attracted by her isolationist views and her willingness to criticize Israel (*), a country they believe Trump and other politicians have been too cozy with, along with her accusation earlier this year that Democrats participated in “religious bigotry” during their questioning of a Trump judicial nominee.

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(*) Yeah, BTW, people on all sides of the spectrum appear to not be clear on where she really is - like for example that she was at CUFI's meetings in 2015. Also, this thing about calling her a "peace candidate" - uh huh, I guess that's what we call people who say on Faux News Obama didn't prosecute the war on Islamic terror with enough vigor.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:01 pm 
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Live Blog / First Democratic debate 2019: Live updates from Night Two - NBC News

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:20 pm 
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Rachel AMAZING question Sanders of course didnt answer and nobody else did, what would you do IF WHILE prez Roe is overturned?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:37 pm 
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2020 Democratic Presidential Candidate Debate Night 2 Winners - Harris, Sanders

Losers - Biden, Buttigieg, Hickenlooper, Yang, Williamson, Gillibrand, NBC Mods


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:05 am 
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Harris got headlines already for being the one to stop that awful food fight.

With that she won. :D


Hickenlooper seems to be positioning himself as the anti Bernie. I wonder how he will do with that. There's a serious realignment happening amoung the folks at home this year, the Media and policy wonks haven't got their finger on it's pulse. If you see him gaining in the polls it's because he said no to socialism, and that realignment is shifting us toward the middle. That doesn't mean he's going to win the nomination it just means a voting bloc in the party is shifting toward the middle.


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2020 Democratic Presidential Candidate Debate Night 2 Winners - Harris, Sanders

Losers - Biden, Buttigieg, Hickenlooper, Yang, Williamson, Gillibrand, NBC Mods


I thought Buttigieg did really well, better than Sanders, imo

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:19 am 
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She's really popular with the alt right. That bothers me. Don't know why it doesn't bother her other handful of fans on the left. :D

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... alt-right/

The internet far-right thinks Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard stole the show during Wednesday’s Democratic presidential debate.

High-profile right-wing and alt-right internet trolls like Jack Posobiec, fellow Pizzagater Mike Cernovich, and Infowars‘ Paul Joseph Watson praised Gabbard on Twitter for her performance alongside nine other candidates on the Miami stage.

Users on 4chan affectionately referred to Gabbard as “mommy.”

Cernovich called Gabbard the “breakthrough star of the night,” while Posobiec retweeted a post calling for “a movement to push Trump to hire Tulsi Gabbard as Secretary of State.” (Documents leaked this week show that Gabbard, who served in Iraq, was considered by the Trump transition as a possible Secretary of Veterans Affairs.)

A flash poll posted by the right-leaning Drudge Report marked Gabbard as the winner. While such surveys are statistically meaningless, the morning after the debate Watson tweeted, referencing the poll: “Leftists are FURIOUS Tulsi Gabbard won the debate. She was the only authentic person on that stage. What does that tell you? #Drudge”.

Users on the notoriously racist and sexist message boards 8chan and 4chan, which both serve as internet hubs for far-right trolls, voiced their support for Gabbard on debate night. In 8chan’s overall discussion thread for the event, Gabbard was mentioned far more than any other candidate. Users on 4chan also made several discussion threads dedicated to Gabbard’s night at the debate, affectionately referring to her as “mommy.”

Such support for Gabbard isn’t entirely surprising. Since January, when Gabbard announced her campaign, elements of conservative media and the far right have been receptive to the Hawaii politician and aspects of her record, especially in foreign policy, that don’t track neatly with normal progressive or Democratic policy positions. Some internet right-wingers who also feel like their politics don’t match well with most candidates, even Republicans, have felt a common cause.

Trolls have been attracted by her isolationist views and her willingness to criticize Israel (*), a country they believe Trump and other politicians have been too cozy with, along with her accusation earlier this year that Democrats participated in “religious bigotry” during their questioning of a Trump judicial nominee.

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(*) Yeah, BTW, people on all sides of the spectrum appear to not be clear on where she really is - like for example that she was at CUFI's meetings in 2015. Also, this thing about calling her a "peace candidate" - uh huh, I guess that's what we call people who say on Faux News Obama didn't prosecute the war on Islamic terror with enough vigor.

You can bet that a good number of trolls will vote for her in the primaries.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:25 am 
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Yes, I don't like open primaries for exactly that reason. They encourage "tactical" or troll-style voting, where a person jumps into the primary to make sure the party's nominee is the person they believe has the least chance of winning, or will do the party the most "damage".

Making sure that you have been part of party X for at least 6 months before the party primary is one way to make sure that kind of troll voting doesn't happen.

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Harris got headlines already for being the one to stop that awful food fight.

With that she won. :D


That was the start of it. Burying Biden with his segregationism finished it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:32 pm 
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Sanders doesn't answer questions. He spouts one liners.

Harris kicked it.

Why was there a moat? To slow down crazed audience members rushing the stage? Interesting semiotic.

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I thought Buttigieg did really well, better than Sanders, imo

he did what Biden should have done in his exchange with Harris: admit he was wrong....

his ego won't allow him to do that, sadly....

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That was the start of it. Burying Biden with his segregationism finished it.


yeah, and his supporters are extremely, EXTREMEly bent out of shape about it....
she attacked him
she was the 'angry black woman'
we shouldn't attack one another
she has her skeletons as well
it was a calculated attack. she had t-shirts made and everything


blah blah blah.....if they're so bent about this, what the fucc are they gonna do in the upcoming debates when the Thomas/Hill hearings is brought up??

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yeah, and his supporters are extremely, EXTREMEly bent out of shape about it....
she attacked him
she was the 'angry black woman'
we shouldn't attack one another
she has her skeletons as well
it was a calculated attack. she had t-shirts made and everything


blah blah blah.....if they're so bent about this, what the fucc are they gonna do in the upcoming debates when the Thomas/Hill hearings is brought up??


Yeah have you seen where an alt-right guy using a.d o s. rhetoric is spreading an ad.o.s meme about her not being “American black?” Donald Trump RTd it (and then took it down) but already yesterday I had a conversation with an ostensible far left white man who was repeating the meme. Business Insider picked up the story this morning.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:13 pm 
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I just hope the Democrats remember the goal is to defeat Donald Trump, not to win the debate.

Republicans will always fall in line, behind their candidate no matter what he is doing. Kamala as
a prosecutor is going to be a strong debater but it remains to be seen whether she will be able to
unite the more moderate elements in the party with their liberal counterparts. Joe Biden is going to
have to work to secure the nomination but if he does, Kamala might be his choice for VP and
in prime position when Biden steps down in 2024.


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I just hope the Democrats remember the goal is to defeat Donald Trump, not to win the debate.

Republicans will always fall in line, behind their candidate no matter what he is doing. Kamala as
a prosecutor is going to be a strong debater but it remains to be seen whether she will be able to
unite the more moderate elements in the party with their liberal counterparts. Joe Biden is going to
have to work to secure the nomination but if he does, Kamala might be his choice for VP and
in prime position when Biden steps down in 2024.


Honestly it’s way too early to be talking about securing the nomination. The idea of Kanala as Biden’s voters it a little absurd after Thursday if only because Biden has already dropped 10 points since Thursday and her numbers have risen. And even that doesn’t mean much because the people who came out ahead in Wednesday were Castro and certainly Warren.

I think the first thing that will happen is to simply narrow the choice of candidates so there can be more substantive debates. And like Venus said, we need senators. For instance, I wish Hickenlooper would drop out and run for Senate. I think Buttigieg would be really great in the Senate, but IL Senate seat isn’t an issue this year. Dunno..there’s still a ton of time.

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Over 18 Million Watch Second Democratic Debate

The June 27 Democratic debate averaged 18.1 million total viewers across NBC, MSNBC and Telemundo, according to Nielsen, better than the 15.3 million who watched June 26. Among the 18.1 million, there were 5.3 million viewers 25-54 and 4.4 million in the 18-49 demo.

The live stream saw 9 million viewers and 14 million video views across all platforms June 27.

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Yeah have you seen where an alt-right guy using a.d o s. rhetoric is spreading an ad.o.s meme about her not being “American black?” Donald Trump RTd it (and then took it down) but already yesterday I had a conversation with an ostensible far left white man who was repeating the meme. Business Insider picked up the story this morning.

Christ, this country is loaded with people who are assholes. Not an American Black? WTF does that even mean?

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Don Jr. is just jumping in to spread ADOS/birther nonsense. If you recall, they said the same thing about Obama "not really Black" (because his father was Kenyan/African, not African-American, and mom was white).

This line of attack on Harris I think will continue. Russian troll bots seem to be promoting it. Of course, it's nonsense. Jamaican-Americans like Harris are as much "African-American" as other people in this country. They are also descended from slaves, and have parallel historical experiences.

It's just another Russian tactic of division.

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Don Jr. is just jumping in to spread ADOS/birther nonsense. If you recall, they said the same thing about Obama "not really Black" (because his father was Kenyan/African, not African-American, and mom was white).

This line of attack on Harris I think will continue. Russian troll bots seem to be promoting it. Of course, it's nonsense. Jamaican-Americans like Harris are as much "African-American" as other people in this country. They are also descended from slaves, and have parallel historical experiences.

It's just another Russian tactic of division.


Yes the point of soda is to split the Black voting bloc and stoke anti-immigrant hatred. And not even in that order. Reparations for slavery is a pretext.

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How Kamala Harris conspiracies festered online before making it to Trump Jr. - CNN

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Soon after Harris' debate-defining moment when she recounted being bused to school as a little girl, a swarm of Twitter accounts, many anonymous, began spreading disinformation about the senator's race.

"You. Are. Not. Black," one Twitter user, who was suspended from the service the following morning, tweeted at Harris soon after the California senator confronted former vice president Joe Biden about his comments on working with segregationist senators and his past opposition to busing.

Trump Jr. amplified those attacks when, on Thursday, he shared a tweet sent by one user with the assertion, "Kamala Harris is *not* an American Black. She is half Indian and half Jamaican."

"Is this true? Wow," Trump Jr. asked along with the shared tweet. He later deleted his tweet. A spokesman for Trump Jr. told The New York Times that there had been a misunderstanding.

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Benjamin T. Decker, the founder of Memetica, a digital investigations consultancy, tracked a meme that tries to equate Harris to Rachel Dolezal, a white woman who portrayed herself as black.

Decker began tracking the online conversation about Harris after she announced her candidacy in January. At the time, Decker was a fellow at Harvard's Shorenstein Center studying online misinformation and the proliferation of extremist content across social media.

Decker said the first instance of the meme he found online was from 2018 on the "The_Donald," a forum for Trump supporters on Reddit. The forum has been embraced by Trump and his circle, but last week Reddit "quarantined" the forum because of what it said were "threats of violence against police and public officials."

He then tracked how the meme spread across Twitter, Pinterest, 4chan and other platforms, writing about it for Politico earlier this year.

"By comparing Harris to Rachel Dolezal the meme creators tried to stoke identity falsehoods about Harris 'blackness' as well as suggesting that she is hiding the truth about who she is," Decker told CNN on Monday.


What's interesting to me is this was written without mentioning soda, which has been peddling this same propaganda since she threw her name in the ring. There's also this Twitter thread from this morning

https://twitter.com/akrolla47/status/11 ... 1921082373

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wow look at how tight knit the astroturfing community around ADOS is .


https://twitter.com/akrolla47/status/11 ... 68003?s=20

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some of their largest nodes(a single tweet that had high frequency of being shared ) are attacks on other people challenging their movement - this was retweeted alot and used to attack their perceived enemy(astroturfing)

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